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[Murlough]

^That. Which is what I'm afraid of.

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

Gimmick

For a gimmick though, mega evolutions definitely make some Pokemon much more useful than they would be otherwise. Mawile is pretty much in over its head if it can't mega evolve, while Kangaskhan loses the only thing that makes it a real threat. Similarly, Sharpedo can benefit from its mega evolution in that after one Speed Boost, it can then mega evolve to take advantage of the Strong Jaw ability.

Of course, not all Pokemon need their mega evolutions, since Alakazam can already hold its own with the Life Orb, while Aerodactyl really doesn't get much benefit from its mega evolution without any strong Rock-type and Flying-type attacks that make physical contact.

Also, Latias and Latios practically have no use for their mega evolutions, since the Soul Dew item lets them hit harder than their mega evolutions anyway. And even if Soul Dew is banned, the Life Orb boost would still deal more damage than what the mega evolutions can pull off.

 

[Kneutronic]

Also, Latias and Latios practically have no use for their mega evolutions, since the Soul Dew item lets them hit harder than their mega evolutions anyway. And even if Soul Dew is banned, the Life Orb boost would still deal more damage than what the mega evolutions can pull off.

Latias, however, appreciates the greater bulk its Mega grants for a defensive set.

But yeah, otherwise it's useless offensively.

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

Latias, however, appreciates the greater bulk its Mega grants for a defensive set.

But yeah, otherwise it's useless offensively.

Mega Latias has a weaker special defense than Latias with Soul Dew though; even one with the Assault Vest would take special attack hits better. The only real pro with Mega Latias is that its defense gets a boost, enabling it to take physical hits better. As for Latios, it literally has no business trying to mega evolve.

 

[Depressed Gengar]

Of course, not all Pokemon need their mega evolutions, since Alakazam can already hold its own with the Life Orb, while Aerodactyl really doesn't get much benefit from its mega evolution without any strong Rock-type and Flying-type attacks that make physical contact.

Also, Latias and Latios practically have no use for their mega evolutions, since the Soul Dew item lets them hit harder than their mega evolutions anyway. And even if Soul Dew is banned, the Life Orb boost would still deal more damage than what the mega evolutions can pull off.

Let's not forget Mega Garchomp, who's only useful under specific conditions, and even then he still has plenty of issues, to the point where there's not much of a reason to use him.

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

Let's not forget Mega Garchomp, who's only useful under specific conditions, and even then he still has plenty of issues, to the point where there's not much of a reason to use him.

Unless you're using a Sandstorm team, Mega Garchomp really isn't any better than normal Garchomp. And even then, a 10 point speed decrease can be a problem if the Will-o-Wisp users that it can normally outrun end up outspeeding its mega evolved form.

Anyway, the main problem is that if the mega evolution mechanic doesn't come back, then some Pokemon would end up losing the only thing that makes them even close to viable. This is especially true for Charizard, where it's not much of a physical powerhouse if it can't mega evolve into Mega Charizard X. And as for Mega Charizard Y, the Drought ability pretty much saves it from having to put Sunny Day onto its moveset; it can fire all the Solar Beams that it wants, AND get the Fire-type power boost for Flamethrower, Heat Wave, or Fire Blast. Likewise, Mega Blastoise is a lot better on offense than normal Blastoise, thanks to the base 135 special attack, along with Mega Launcher powering up Water Pulse, Aura Sphere, Dark Pulse, and Dragon Pulse.

 

[Fluttershy]

Garchomp is only better than its mega because of that speed decrease.. the 102 base speed is the main reason Garchomp is as successful as it is with most Pokemon having at least 100 base speed.

There's also m-Lopunny which benefits quite a bit from its mega with a much needed better ability and Manectric as well with the higher speed lol

So what are all the Pokemon that are rumored to be having an alternate form?

 

[LancerStaff]

The only other one I've heard of is a Water line.

Cool concept but I hope it's not just gen 1 Mons...

 

[Deleted member]

In less than one day, Exeggutor became a meme.

Anyways, I saw the trailer yesterday and it was pretty good. I do like the idea of Island Challenges and Z-Moves, but I am iffy on the totem Pokemon being a supped up wild Pokemon... it seems a bit lazy in my eyes. I wonder if we can freely change between the regular and Alola forms and I hope Alola forms won't be restricted to Gen 1 Pokemon.

Oddly enough, we're a few months away and there isn't an evil team in sight yet.

 

[Sir Gengar de Èctoplasma]

Oddly enough, we're a few months away and there isn't an evil team in sight yet.

After the absence of gyms and HMs, I wouldn't be surprised if there isn't one.

 

[L9999]

After the absence of gyms and HMs, I wouldn't be surprised if there isn't one.

They should have called SM Pokemon Gaiden Version.

In less than one day, Exeggutor became a meme.

Anyways, I saw the trailer yesterday and it was pretty good. I do like the idea of Island Challenges and Z-Moves, but I am iffy on the totem Pokemon being a supped up wild Pokemon... it seems a bit lazy in my eyes. I wonder if we can freely change between the regular and Alola forms and I hope Alola forms won't be restricted to Gen 1 Pokemon.

I don't think that will be possible. It's like I could turn pale or dark skinned on the flick of a switch. I also hope it's not pure Gen 1.

 

[Fluttershy]

So I'm curious as to how Ice Vulpix will evolve in the Alola form since the original form evolves from a fire stone.. also there's a part in the trailer that shows ice Vulpix having the same Base HP with no Ivs and evs.. so Ninetales may have the same stats as its original

 

[Murlough]

I assumed dawn stone.

 

[Fluttershy]

Or Shiny stone since that one evolves a few fairies. I was thinking Max friendship as well.. but I don't think fire stone should work because it wouldn't make much sense anymore.

Also there was an update with the Chinese leak so take with some

Spoiler

Only copied the alolan form parts..

• Alolan Rattata & Raticate are Dark-type
• Alolan Butterfree is Bug/Psychic
• Alolan Abra, Kadabra & Alakazam are Fighting-type
• Alolan Nidoking & Nidoqueen are Poison/Fighting-type
• Alolan Growlithe & Arcanine are Water-type
• Alolan Doduo & Dodrio are Fighting/Flying-type

 

[Professor Lexicovermis]

Wow. I haven't been here in a while. Here's my thoughts:
Formantis and Lurantis are neat! A reversal of the orchid mantis (flower mimicking a bug rather than the opposite) is an interesting idea I haven't seen done before. Mudbray is alright, Mudsdale is worth it though. Gumshoos really brings to mind Ace Attorney Gumshoes rather than the infamous presidential candidate. Minior is odd, I get the feeling it will have a ludicrously tanky evolution. Oricorio has an interesting gimmick, and I like its design. Alola forms are intriguing. Love Exeggutall, it's hilarious! Snowshrew and Icepix are interesting too.

Spoiler

Well, it seems the Starter leak may have been true after all. I'm really torn for once! Robin Hoot screams "Smash" or "Pokken" to me. Same with Armor King. That said, Selkie is so majestic, I'm really tempted to use her. It'll be interesting to see if the gimmicky Cat Pokemon is true. Please let me breed a hideous cat bug! Also interested to see the rumored sea cucumber Mon. If it's real, it is 100% getting nicknamed Kevin. Be interestingto see if there really are no Gyms.

 

[Deleted member]

Ravishing and fascinating Alolan Exeggutor,Vulpix, Ninetails Sandshrew, and Sandslash are cool.

Oricorio is pretty cool with it's different forms. Love the forms Gumshoos looks cool, and so does Mudbray. Fomantis and Lurantis are great as well.

Z-powers the team captains and island trails I like a change in the Pokemon formula is a welcome thing. Ride Pokemon are also awesome.

If the Chinese rumor is true which it looks to be I am happy with that.

Looking forward to whatever next week brings.

 

[Sir Gengar de Èctoplasma]

Another leak has appeared:

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[Fluttershy]

Another leak has appeared:

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Some of the things mentioned here are quite interesting.. although I'll be waiting for the 12th to see if they get any of the names of Pokemon right before I start believing this leak is real..

The Shiny mention in the Top right corner is a bit confusing since it's taken out of Context..
If it's true I'm wondering what Popplio's 3 other types are seeing as how Litten and Rowlet have Pure fire and grass respectively..

 

[Deleted member]

Another leak has appeared:

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If this is true you'd generally get to choose which final evolution you want your Pokemon to evolve into which is unique and refreshing. As for everything else guess we'll find if it's true in time. I like the types if it is true.

 

[Sir Gengar de Èctoplasma]

Another leak has appeared:

Pokemon Sun/Moon 100 new Pokemon leak. Look at your own discretion.https://t.co/wwrL7z9bf0

— Stealth (@Stealth40k) August 7, 2016

It has a lot of same information as other leaks.

 

[Murlough]

Another leak has appeared:

Pokemon Sun/Moon 100 new Pokemon leak. Look at your own discretion.https://t.co/wwrL7z9bf0

— Stealth (@Stealth40k) August 7, 2016

It has a lot of same information as other leaks.

I believe it.

Apparently, the new "forms" of older mons aren't considered new species. Weird the leak didn't tell us the rest of the Alolan variations, but cool nonetheless.

EDIT: Sad that Mimikyu doesn't evolve but I still love it ;v;

 

[Fluttershy]

Another leak has appeared:

Pokemon Sun/Moon 100 new Pokemon leak. Look at your own discretion.https://t.co/wwrL7z9bf0

— Stealth (@Stealth40k) August 7, 2016

It has a lot of same information as other leaks.

I'm going to wait until the 12th to believe this leak.. if we get matching English names then the leak will have credibility enough for it to be believed.

Also I noticed there were names missing between the tumblr leak and the dex leak.. could be another language since some of them don't look like they are English names.. but I'm going to wait until the 12th to see how things turn out for the leak..

 

[Zerp]

Forgive me for my ignorance, but how credible is this new leak? Is it the same leaker as one of the seemingly confirmed leaks or is it someone else?

 

[Fluttershy]

Forgive me for my ignorance, but how credible is this new leak? Is it the same leaker as one of the seemingly confirmed leaks or is it someone else?

Not sure if it's the same leaker but the leaks have quite a bit in common with each other (including the Chinese leak) but it could just be to build up hype for certain information.. we'll know for certain on the 12th though if any of the information matches the official reveals..

 

[Sir Gengar de Èctoplasma]

Not sure if it's the same leaker but the leaks have quite a bit in common with each other (including the Chinese leak) but it could just be to build up hype for certain information.. we'll know for certain on the 12th though if any of the information matches the official reveals..

Inb4 they only show new Alolan forms and we have to wait further to confirm the leak.

 

[Fluttershy]

Inb4 they only show new Alolan forms and we have to wait further to confirm the leak.

Nintendo/Game Freak: "oh you wanted evidence to see if these leaks that have been appearing across the internet are true? Here have some new Alolan Forms of more Gen one Pokemon including one of a Marowak that we hinted about in the previous reveal with the fire Specialist "

We also should be getting Corocoro soon right?

 

[Sir Gengar de Èctoplasma]

We also should be getting Corocoro soon right?

It comes bimonthly. When did the last one come out?

 

[Deleted member]

It comes bimonthly. When did the last one come out?

I believe it was July 12th, not sure though.

 

[L9999]

Nintendo/Game Freak: "oh you wanted evidence to see if these leaks that have been appearing across the internet are true? Here have some new Alolan Forms of more Gen one Pokemon including one of a Marowak that we hinted about in the previous reveal with the fire Specialist "

We also should be getting Corocoro soon right?

Marowak? Where?

 

[Fluttershy]

Marowak? Where?

This is from the main site on the description for Kiawe.. as we know Marowak is a ground type not a fire type which suggests that there is a very likely chance that Alolan Marowak and Cubone will turn into fire type.. it's still speculation but it's going to be very strange for a Fire type specialist to be using a pure ground type Pokemon as his main Pokemon..

Spoiler

 

[Erureido]

It comes bimonthly. When did the last one come out?

I believe it was July 12th, not sure though.

It was probably that date. CoroCoro scans tend to leak between the 12th to the 13th in every month.

 

[Professor Lexicovermis]

The leaked list seems believable, nothing too bizarre. Only real oddity is "Malshadow" rather than "Marshadow", but that could be chalked up to a localization change, after all, Lunala was originally trademarked as Lunaala. The Various typed Pokemon seems to echo the apparent theme of biodiversity and adaptation in Sun/Moon. It'll be fascinating to see if it's vindicated by CoroCoro. Even if it's fake, Gamefreak should hire the leaker; some of those names are perfect.

Spoiler: MAYBE LEGIT LEAKS

I mean seriously: Badpole, Panquake, Cumbersum, Swindlewt, Mightior, Scruluse? Awesome names, guy!

 

[ILOVESMASH]

A bit late, but is anyone else disappointed by the introduction of the Battery ability? Physical attackers already have an overwhelming disadvantage in doubles due to intimidate + will-o-wisp being very good, so introducing an ability that buffs special attackers in doubles seems like it would cause physical attackers to lower even further in viability. Really hoping the devs introduce something like a special version of intimidate to balance the two types out.

 

[Deleted member]

Very interesting. If this is true I like it I want to collect and see every Pokemon on this list in Pokemon Sun if it's true. Hard to tell if it is. Rowlet,Archroot,and Robinroot? Love it Rowlet was my choice from the start so if turns into an owl archer I love it. I'll probably keep it grass/flying With Robinroot. But this is exciting I look forward to finding out if it's true.

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

A bit late, but is anyone else disappointed by the introduction of the Battery ability? Physical attackers already have an overwhelming disadvantage in doubles due to intimidate + will-o-wisp being very good, so introducing an ability that buffs special attackers in doubles seems like it would cause physical attackers to lower even further in viability. Really hoping the devs introduce something like a special version of intimidate to balance the two types out.

It's still important to keep note that some Pokemon strongly excel in the special defense department, requiring physical attack usage if deemed necessary. This is especially true for Goodra, where it can potentially have a special defense value that's as high as 657 if it's given the Assault Vest.

Similarly, for a Hitmonlee, you're better off using Psyshock over Psychic against it, as while it does have a good special defense, Hitmonlee can't take physical hits very well.

 

[ILOVESMASH]

It's still important to keep note that some Pokemon strongly excel in the special defense department, requiring physical attack usage if deemed necessary. This is especially true for Goodra, where it can potentially have a special defense value that's as high as 657 if it's given the Assault Vest.

Similarly, for a Hitmonlee, you're better off using Psyshock over Psychic against it, as while it does have a good special defense, Hitmonlee can't take physical hits very well.

Thing about Goodra is that some of the best special attackers in doubles such as Gardevoir and Latios are still doing ridiculous damage to it even if it has an assault vest equipped. Even if it does survive, it can do little back to most of these Pokemon without becoming setup bait or death fodder. This applies to most special walls in Doubles in general.

I do agree that hitting the defense of a Pokemon is sometimes more useful that hitting its special defense, but even so, most special attacks are going to do far more damage to special walls (not named Chansey or Blissey) than physical attacks will do to physical walls simply because special attackers are not completely neutered by burn or intimidate.

 

[Fluttershy]

A bit late, but is anyone else disappointed by the introduction of the Battery ability? Physical attackers already have an overwhelming disadvantage in doubles due to intimidate + will-o-wisp being very good, so introducing an ability that buffs special attackers in doubles seems like it would cause physical attackers to lower even further in viability. Really hoping the devs introduce something like a special version of intimidate to balance the two types out.

I was actually thinking about a special type intimidate as well. Although physical threats can have access to guts and Facade (but why does facade need to be normal or not have more variants?) In case of a burn. we still don't know how viable Charjabug is going to be in doubles even with eviolite since the stats and movepool are unown.. but the potential does have something worthy of being afraid of in the right hands.. (mega Gardevoir and Charjabug anyone? )

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

Thing about Goodra is that some of the best special attackers in doubles such as Gardevoir and Latios are still doing ridiculous damage to it even if it has an assault vest equipped. Even if it does survive, it can do little back to most of these Pokemon without becoming setup bait or death fodder. This applies to most special walls in Doubles in general.

The thing is though, at best, without the Life Orb, a Timid Gardevoir 3-hit KOs a Calm Assault Vest Goodra with Moonblast, while Psyshock is a 2-hit KO. Also, while I don't know how often Goodra uses Sludge Bomb, that attack can 2-hit KO Gardevoir, assuming the Gardevoir does not have any special defense investment; if Gardevoir doesn't KO Goodra in 2 turns, it'll get 2-hit KO'd by Sludge Bomb. I would've mentioned Sludge Wave as well, but if that attack is targeting more than one Pokemon, it'll deal less damage than normal, and as such, it loses its guaranteed 2-hit KO potential against Gardevoir.

On one final note, even if a Timid Gardevoir has the Life Orb, it's still not guaranteed to 2-hit KO Calm Assault Vest Goodra with Moonblast. So in this dilemma, Psyshock is pretty much the guaranteed 2-hit KO maker, despite only dealing neutral damage to Dragon-types.

As for Latios, if its nature is Timid, without the Soul Dew, it'll get 2-hit KO'd by Goodra's Dragon Pulse, while Timid Latios's Dragon Pulse is not guaranteed to even 3-hit KO Assault Vest Goodra; Latios would have to have Psyshock if it expects to make the 2-hit KO. Things do begin to favor Timid Latios more if it has the Soul Dew though, but even then, it would still not be guaranteed to make the 2-hit KO with Dragon Pulse; you'd still have better odds of 2-hit KOing with Psyshock. Sure, Draco Meteor can make the guaranteed 2-hit KO with the Soul Dew boost, but the special attack drop penalty can be quite bad in the long run, and Draco Meteor would still deal less damage overall to Calm Assault Vest Goodra than Psyshock.

Yeah I do know that you were referring to doubles, but that pretty much requires the right moves (such as Helping Hand) or teammates, or else things might not work out as planned.

 

[DJ3DS]

And I'm just sat here wondering when Will-O-Wisp became good...

(Being facetious of course but the accuracy of it bites me in the backside more often than not)

 

[Fluttershy]

And I'm just sat here wondering when Will-O-Wisp became good...

(Being facetious of course but the accuracy of it bites me in the backside more often than not)

One word.. Prankster. It's probably been good before then but prankster WoW is probably when it became more prevalent in the meta since it beats out scarf Pokemon and nullifies their attack down to near harmless levels..