Pokemon Battle! Which Pokemon deserves a Brawl spot the most?

[TomSquirrel-Lord]

Well, I know this may sound completely stupid but a guy at my local gaming club is family friends with an animator for some of the nintendo games :D (it may sound stupid but bear with me) and I said "Hey! is he working on SSBB?" and he told me "yes" so i asked him, "I'm dying to know will there be any more pokemon in SSBB and what other characters will be in?"

So he said a couple and a few that i remembered quite well. He said that banjo-kazooe (forgive me if my spelling is wrong) was mentioned and so was croc from early games, And so was Lucario! I asked for pachirisu and he reminded me that sakurai said no clones >.>

but the point of what I'm trying to say is that Lucario should have chance at SSBB because he sounds perfect for fighting (Fighting type right?) and He was mentioned from a semi-reliable source.

now please don't flame me if I'm wrong or say things like "OMG! u Lie!" I'm just saying that i believe my friend and lucario probably will be the next pokemon in if there is another.

-Tom

 

[jbeeber95]

dang i thought jigglypuff would be up there. he really needs to be back in brawl. he is cute and strong. with really good aim, he can be the best in that whole game

 

[MysticKenji]

This poll is only for newcomers

 

[rayecho]

god when is this thread going to be updated?

 

[Earthbenderjump5]

this thread might as well be called the "Lucario deserves the spot in brawl."
i now ofically hate this thread.

 

[Sandwich]

this thread might as well be called the "Lucario deserves the spot in brawl."
i know ofically hate this thread.

This user wins the internet.

 

[Kips]

I just don't see how amazing Lucario is at all. Side quest for a riolu? For Eevee, you can't even GET one until you've beaten the game!

 

[Yukiwarashi]

Well, I know this may sound completely stupid but a guy at my local gaming club is family friends with an animator for some of the nintendo games :D (it may sound stupid but bear with me) and I said "Hey! is he working on SSBB?" and he told me "yes" so i asked him, "I'm dying to know will there be any more pokemon in SSBB and what other characters will be in?"

So he said a couple and a few that i remembered quite well. He said that banjo-kazooe (forgive me if my spelling is wrong) was mentioned and so was croc from early games, And so was Lucario! I asked for pachirisu and he reminded me that sakurai said no clones >.>

but the point of what I'm trying to say is that Lucario should have chance at SSBB because he sounds perfect for fighting (Fighting type right?) and He was mentioned from a semi-reliable source.

now please don't flame me if I'm wrong or say things like "OMG! u Lie!" I'm just saying that i believe my friend and lucario probably will be the next pokemon in if there is another.

-Tom

Pure BS, especially since Sakurai never said he didn't want any clones.

 

[corpse_humper]

Lucario is like the poster boy for the 4th Gen (Take away the legendaries though), and a very popular one at that.

Not counting Munchlax, Bonsley, Mime Jr. and Buneary, I guess you could consider him as "the poster boy of the 4th gen".

You even have to do a side quest to obtain the Riolu Egg.

Irrelevant. You have to do a side quest for a number of pokemon in the games. (Rotom, Sudowoodo , Spiritomb, Castform, Eevee, etc)

And Riolu evolves in a special way to evolve into Lucario (Friendship and level him up one level during the day).

Again, irrelevant to lucario's chances, but if you really think that's a reason, then look how many other poke's evole in a "special way"

http://www.serebii.net/games/happiness.shtml

IMO, Blaziken is just another Pokemon among the 493 Pokemon in the game (Minus all the Legendary types to a lower number),

I'm pretty sure you don't know that Blaziken is a starter if you think that Blaziken is just a generic poke.

but Lucario is a special Pokemon though.

No not really.

look at all the pokemon who were palyable once before. they all had major roles in the series. pikachu's the most popular pokemon, jigglypuff was known as the pink thing who always made everyone go to sleep everytime it sings, surely if ur a pokemon fan you'll remember the pichu brothers from the third movie, and mewtwo had his own movie named after him. lucario also had his own movie named after him. but the fact that why meowth was never a playable character is beyond me

Pikachu and Jiggly were popular way before the anime. Which how they got they're role in the anime in the first place.

Pichu was there to represent the 2nd gen, was popular, and is the pre-evo of the mascot of the pokemon series.

Mewtwo is practically the villian of the pokemon series and is also popular.

 

[corpse_humper]

I don't really support Lucario- I merely presented his arguement for him. I'm an Eevee/lution supporter.

I know but I was just proving that some of the common arguments for him are weak.

 

[Kips]

Well most arguements for a lot of characters can be undermined- Sorry if I offended you, my wording was off. Thirty-four more days... I can't wait!

 

[MysticKenji]

Pretty much the only good reasons for Luke are his popularity and movie appearance.

 

[Kips]

He sounds so much more unimportant when we downgrade him like that :D.

 

[MysticKenji]

>_>

He can also rep the most recent gen, I guess...

 

[SonicSSJX the Hedgehog]

Not counting Munchlax, Bonsley, Mime Jr. and Buneary, I guess you could consider him as "the poster boy of the 4th gen".



Irrelevant. You have to do a side quest for a number of pokemon in the games. (Rotom, Sudowoodo , Spiritomb, Castform, Eevee, etc)



Again, irrelevant to lucario's chances, but if you really think that's a reason, then look how many other poke's evole in a "special way"

http://www.serebii.net/games/happiness.shtml



I'm pretty sure you don't know that Blaziken is a starter if you think that Blaziken is just a generic poke.



No not really.



Pikachu and Jiggly were popular way before the anime. Which how they got they're role in the anime in the first place.

Pichu was there to represent the 2nd gen, was popular, and is the pre-evo of the mascot of the pokemon series.

Mewtwo is practically the villian of the pokemon series and is also popular.

Stop being a Lucario hater. And I'm not a noob at Pokemon, I know what is a starter and what is not and which Pokemon can be obatin in side quests and other ways. I like all the Pokemon, I don't hate any, but my point is, Lucario is more popular than Blaziken (In Japan), Starter or not. And Japan favors on what is popular at the time and to appear in their games (Marth and Roy from Fire Emblem come to mind to be in SSBM). People in America just hate Lucario or think he is over-rated and say he should not be in SSBB, which I find to be a stupid reason for him to be out.

 

[Kips]

I have 3 things to say.

1) He was being a bit rough, but he was actually speaking the truth- not open Lucario hatred.
2) This thread is to speculate which one DESERVES a slot, not what the Japanese public desires. If I desire my Eevee/lutions I'll state it. You can like Lucario, it doesn't mean I have to go into open combat with you.
3) What does America have to do with anything? We're not all obese jerks that wave our flag around and try to swing our nuclear weight.

 

[SonicSSJX the Hedgehog]

I have 3 things to say.

1) He was being a bit rough, but he was actually speaking the truth- not open Lucario hatred.
2) This thread is to speculate which one DESERVES a slot, not what the Japanese public desires. If I desire my Eevee/lutions I'll state it. You can like Lucario, it doesn't mean I have to go into open combat with you.
3) What does America have to do with anything? We're not all obese jerks that wave our flag around and try to swing our nuclear weight.

I was just stating for people in America. Most Lucario haters have those two things in common, they think he's over-rated, and just because they hate him he can't be in. That's what I've seen on many Pokemon forums, SSB related forums, and even on GameFaqs too. lol, those funny Anti Lucario threads. I want him in, but I'm very crazy for him to be in like I wanted Sonic in (Any good Pokemon that is good enough to fight can be in, Blaziken and Lucario are both good Pokemon fighting types). I just think Lucario will be a better addition in than Blaziken (Not on how popular he is, just how he’s designed to and well built for this game). But Japan does have a more favor of which characters go into SSBB than the rest of the world. Like they had a SSBB Poll in June (You know which one I'm talking about) to see which characters they want most, but did everyone else in the world get a say in the poll? They/We didn't, just Japan. Japan just has more of a character influence than everyone else in the world for characters in SSBB. That's what I was saying about how Japan likes Lucario more, he's a big Pokemon in Japan (More or less, that I have been told). I don't want any hard feelings here, just stating my opinion, I don't like being flamed at. -_-'

 

[Fawriel]

I'm pretty sure you don't know that Blaziken is a starter if you think that Blaziken is just a generic poke.

Let's see.
3x3x4=36

Blaziken is one of a royal 36 starter Pokemon. And the only thing that makes it stand out is that a bunch of mostly Americans like it for some reason...

 

[Devastlian]

Ya, and everyone knows that Feraligatr'd be a way better choice than hokey ol' Blaziken as Feraligatr is constructed almost solely of awesome and win with a little bit of rawr thrown in.

 

[Fawriel]

No, no, no, man. Furret is where it's at! http://smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=3333273&postcount=111
No other Pokemon could possibly be such an outstanding example of the traditional well-loved early-brown-furry-thing-you-catch-close-to-your-cute-little-hometown!
Let's hear it for Furreeeeet!

 

[Devastlian]

I'll admit Furret is indeed a symbol of pimpedness worldwide. However, none quite approach the badassery that is Piloswine:

 

[MysticKenji]

Flygon.

For great justice.

 

[Mr-Armageddon]

I have to say that I really don't like people who let their opinions cloud their better judgment. Torchic was released as a pokeball item in brawl. In addition, Blaziken is just soo random. Everyother pokemon on the list are just ones people like to see in Brawl and only have a chance to be from pokeballs. Lucario is the only pokeon who has a chance of being playable.

 

[Ca$hoholic]

Let's see.
3x3x4=36

Blaziken is one of a royal 36 starter Pokemon. And the only thing that makes it stand out is that a bunch of mostly Americans like it for some reason...

Americans and my weird (not calling him dumb on the internet) friend from norway ;_;

1. Lucario
2. Hitmonchan
3. Gengar
Thats my statement

 

[Sandwich]

Do I hear a MUDKIP?

 

[corpse_humper]

I was just stating for people in America. Most Lucario haters have those two things in common, they think he's over-rated, and just because they hate him he can't be in. That's what I've seen on many Pokemon forums, SSB related forums, and even on GameFaqs too. lol, those funny Anti Lucario threads. I want him in, but I'm very crazy for him to be in like I wanted Sonic in (Any good Pokemon that is good enough to fight can be in, Blaziken and Lucario are both good Pokemon fighting types). I just think Lucario will be a better addition in than Blaziken (Not on how popular he is, just how he’s designed to and well built for this game). But Japan does have a more favor of which characters go into SSBB than the rest of the world. Like they had a SSBB Poll in June (You know which one I'm talking about) to see which characters they want most, but did everyone else in the world get a say in the poll? They/We didn't, just Japan. Japan just has more of a character influence than everyone else in the world for characters in SSBB. That's what I was saying about how Japan likes Lucario more, he's a big Pokemon in Japan (More or less, that I have been told). I don't want any hard feelings here, just stating my opinion, I don't like being flamed at. -_-'

*puts down torch*

well so much for that....

but I do have a few things to say...

Most Lucario haters have those two things in common, they think he's over-rated, and just because they hate him he can't be in. That's what I've seen on many Pokemon forums, SSB related forums, and even on GameFaqs too. lol, those funny Anti Lucario threads.

Most of us anti-lucario people understand tthat he has a chance (I hope they do anyways), but the only reason I am against him is that if he gets in first then that right there destroys whatever chance Blaziken had to get in brawl.

lol, those funny Anti Lucario threads.

Oh the irony....

That's what I was saying about how Japan likes Lucario more, he's a big Pokemon in Japan (More or less, that I have been told).

From what I've seen neither Blaziken or lucario are liked that much in Japan.

I'd also like to add that Metroid Prime is hated in Japan IIRC, but Sakurai added a stage from Prime anyways which shows that he actually cares about what the US thinks.

Let's see.
3x3x4=36

Blaziken is one of a royal 36 starter Pokemon. And the only thing that makes it stand out is that a bunch of mostly Americans like it for some reason...

You're taking the starter thing way out of context here, but just to show how dumb what you said sounds...

There are a total of 35 legendary poke's, but by your logic since there is a large number of legendaries that must mean they're unimportant and generic. M I RITE?

The starter pokemon are your first pokemon you get in the game. They are always heavily advertised with the game and for that matter anything that has to do with pokemon. More then lucario could ever wish for. Not to mention, the fire starters are also usually the more popular ones outside of Japan. They usually cater to the cuter poke's (Jigglypuff, Buneary, etc)

BTW until someone shows actual proof that lucario is as popular as people make him out to be, I wont believe tha he is. And no the poll here is not a sign that he's popular as only 33% of this forum actually wants him in, which is a VERY VERY small percentage.

 

[VaneWalker]

Ya, and everyone knows that Feraligatr'd be a way better choice than hokey ol' Blaziken as Feraligatr is constructed almost solely of awesome and win with a little bit of rawr thrown in.

Yes yes yes yes yes yes yes

 

[corpse_humper]

Well most arguements for a lot of characters can be undermined- Sorry if I offended you, my wording was off. Thirty-four more days... I can't wait!

Don't worry about it

I have to say that I really don't like people who let their opinions cloud their better judgment.

Torchic was released as a pokeball item in brawl. In addition, Blaziken is just soo random.

If what you're saying is that since his evolutionary line is already represented he can't be in as a PC, then you might want to check the pokemon that were featured in SSB64

 

[Fawriel]

You're taking the starter thing way out of context here, but just to show how dumb what you said sounds...

There are a total of 35 legendary poke's, but by your logic since there is a large number of legendaries that must mean they're unimportant and generic. M I RITE?

The starter pokemon are your first pokemon you get in the game. They are always heavily advertised with the game and for that matter anything that has to do with pokemon. More then lucario could ever wish for. Not to mention, the fire starters are also usually the more popular ones outside of Japan. They usually cater to the cuter poke's (Jigglypuff, Buneary, etc)

Not saying that starters are just as generic as most other Pokemon. But with such a number of starters, you can't expect that status to be of any help in getting into Smash, except when piggybacked by a Trainer.
I have no idea how likely Lucario is, since his accomplishments are only mildly out of the ordinary and he might just be a fad. On the other hand, we have Jigglypuff in Smash, so maybe the question isn't who is most "deserving" in the first place.

 

[corpse_humper]

Not saying that starters are just as generic as most other Pokemon. But with such a number of starters, you can't expect that status to be of any help in getting into Smash, except when piggybacked by a Trainer.

But it is a big factor in terms of popularity since they are so advertised and there was/is a 1/3 of chance (maybe even more because of how easy the elite four is with Blaziken in R/S and that it's the fire starter) that people picked it which means more people were/are made known of him.

On the other hand, we have Jigglypuff in Smash, so maybe the question isn't who is most "deserving" in the first place.

If you're implying that Jigglypuff is also a fad pokemon then....

This is a poll from 06 to see which pokemon were the most wanted for a DVD collection set. Though it may be a year old, I know for a fact then her popularity didn't decline so fast to get her off of the top ten list. Especially in Japan.

 

[Kips]

I see Eevee at number 6! With Pikachu, Jiggs, Charizard and Squirtle out of the way and Blastoise having 0 chance due to Squirtle, Eevee is next in line!

 

[Fawriel]

If you're implying that Jigglypuff is also a fad pokemon then....

No, I'm implying that she sucks.

I see Eevee at number 6! With Pikachu, Jiggs, Charizard and Squirtle out of the way and Blastoise having 0 chance due to Squirtle, Eevee is next in line!

That would actually be quite cool. I'd much prefer Eevee over Lucario... although I can't say I can picture a sensible way to include all the possibilities that offer themselves... momentary evolution? More different movesets than you can count on one hand? Doubtful...

 

[Kips]

Well then it would have something to do with holding B down- As you hold it each evolutionary stone/moon/sun/grass/ice would appear overhead maybe for quick cycling.

 

[rayecho]

Well then it would have something to do with holding B down- As you hold it each evolutionary stone/moon/sun/grass/ice would appear overhead maybe for quick cycling.

I think it would be easier if you press down B multiple times to switch threw the evolutions. But in the end, Lucario will stand buff over all pokemon.

 

[Kips]

Yeah that's true, holding it and hitting B again to quickly cycle to the next form would work well to.

 

[rayecho]

Why would Eevee get into Brawl in the first place? I mean whats the importance?

 

[Kips]

I think that the main arguement for Eevee is as follows-

1) Multiple main characters have owned an Eevee (Gary and May).
2) Long running character with new incarnations in every single new generation to date.
3) Had an episode centered around Eevee+3 first Eeveelutions.
4) Innovative and interesting.

That's all I can think of for now.

 

[Collective of Bears]

I think that the main arguement for Eevee is as follows-

1) Multiple main characters have owned an Eevee (Gary and May).
2) Long running character with new incarnations in every single new generation to date.
3) Had an episode centered around Eevee+3 first Eeveelutions.
4) Innovative and interesting.

That's all I can think of for now.

@ 2: Not in the 3rd gen.

 

[Kips]

Oops, my bad. Still the point remains that it's a long running and diverse character that could lay a serious smackdown on some people.

 

[rayecho]

Almost every pokemon had an episode centered around them. Eevee did have a lot of evolutions, but others got an evolution with at least one generation.

I find Eevee just an ordinary Pokemon with a lot of evolutions, a lot. So i can't see there being a special reason for Eevee to get in.