Circa
Smash Champion
Yup. They all carry about the exact same sets anyway, so it would only make sense for them to be so.
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Pokéswapping (Wi-Fi Trading Thread)
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Wrath`
Smash Master
What is the reasoning for banning Quick Claw?
jigglyppuff8
Smash Lord
Is "It's a Hax Item" enough or would you like to go in depth?
jigglyppuff8
Smash Lord
No.
No.
Toxicroak.
No.
Toxicroak.
Circa
Smash Champion
Not even Steel/Rock resists BoltBeam. There is nothing with that benefit.
jigglyppuff8
Smash Lord
Steel/Electric a.k.a Magnezone resists Boltbeam.
Circa
Smash Champion
Nope. XD The only things that resist Electric are Dragon, Electric, Grass and Ground; all of which are hit for SE by Ice (except for Electric).
Steel/Electric resists BoltBeam, meaning the Magnemite family is what you'll be looking at if you're desperate to find a way through it.
EDIT: Freaking ninja'd...although Steel/Ground doesn't work. Ice still hits neutral.
There's no reason to ban Quick Claw and there's no tradition of banning it in competitive pokemon.
However, some people are under the impression it is banned because it isn't a choice in Shoddy Battle. This is my fault and it's just because I never got around to implementing Quick Claw in Shoddy Battle 1, partially due to limitations in the Shoddy Battle 1 framework. Quick Claw is in Shoddy Battle 2, however.
I realise that by failing to implement Quick Claw, it is has been de facto banned for nearly two years now; however, that was never the intent, and the situation should be resolved by the end of the year.
WouW
Smash Lord
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Lanturn resists BoltBeam as well.
Lanturn resists BoltBeam as well.
Wrath`
Smash Master
Thanks, I have always wanted my T-tar to have it like on my DS games. I love good old luck items.
Do you think HG/SS will again shift the metagame, as much as platnium? or not?
WouW
Smash Lord
That would depend on tutorable moves in those games, much like Platinum had a Bullet Punch tutor improving Scizor.
Anyone know some notable TM moves from G/S (FR/LG used tutor moves from RBY TMs) that could greatly improve some pokés?
Anyone know some notable TM moves from G/S (FR/LG used tutor moves from RBY TMs) that could greatly improve some pokés?
Circa
Smash Champion
No, not that I can see. From the entire list of TMs from Gold and Silver, I believe the only ones that weren't covered from either Move Tutor or TMs in DPPt were Zap Cannon, Dragonbreath, and Nightmare. The only one of those three that I could see having any sort of practical use is Zap Cannon if they let the Machop line learn it (and even then its practicality is limited).
WouW
Smash Lord
Unless you're OHKOing a Blissey, no, Leftovers are superior. So no.
Da-D-Mon-109
Smash Lord
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So, the Shell Bell itself isn't good unless you're doing obscene amounts of damage. But what about the items that make it up? I heard that you can get leftovers recovery and avoid the item clause by using one of those items, that it has the same effect.. I'm not sure where I heard this, actually, but I thought it was true. What say you?
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So, the Shell Bell itself isn't good unless you're doing obscene amounts of damage. But what about the items that make it up? I heard that you can get leftovers recovery and avoid the item clause by using one of those items, that it has the same effect.. I'm not sure where I heard this, actually, but I thought it was true. What say you?
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WouW
Smash Lord
Item Clause is never used so that all doesn't matter.
Da-D-Mon-109
Smash Lord
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But Still, doesn't one of the Shoal Salts provide the same healing that Leftovers provides? Just out of curiosity.
And also, would it be fair to not worry about StealthRock in a Calculation unless you apply it to both parties (unless you're countering or using Charizard or something)?
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But Still, doesn't one of the Shoal Salts provide the same healing that Leftovers provides? Just out of curiosity.
And also, would it be fair to not worry about StealthRock in a Calculation unless you apply it to both parties (unless you're countering or using Charizard or something)?
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PsychoIncarnate
The Eternal Will of the Swarm
Shoal Salt does nothing
jigglyppuff8
Smash Lord
Lanturn resists beam but not bolt. It takes neutral.
WouW
Smash Lord
Unless it has Volt Absorb, which 100% of (competitively used) Lanturn have.
Da-D-Mon-109
Smash Lord
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Aha. It was a Guide that Tricked me on the Shoal Items. Only the Shell Bell can be used (and you only get 1/8th of the damage you do, compared to 1/16th of your health back permanently. I guess if you're instantly killing everything it would be valuable, but wouldn't you need to have an item just to reach that power?).
My question on Stealthrock still stands: If you wanted to do match for counters and research and such, you don't need Stealthrock in your calculations unless it is applied to both parties or unless a Pokemon is like Overly Weak to it (Articuno, Butterfree, Charizard), right?
And lastly, how many ways should you have to kill a Pokemon before you don't have to worry about said Pokemon on your team?
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Aha. It was a Guide that Tricked me on the Shoal Items. Only the Shell Bell can be used (and you only get 1/8th of the damage you do, compared to 1/16th of your health back permanently. I guess if you're instantly killing everything it would be valuable, but wouldn't you need to have an item just to reach that power?).
My question on Stealthrock still stands: If you wanted to do match for counters and research and such, you don't need Stealthrock in your calculations unless it is applied to both parties or unless a Pokemon is like Overly Weak to it (Articuno, Butterfree, Charizard), right?
And lastly, how many ways should you have to kill a Pokemon before you don't have to worry about said Pokemon on your team?
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WouW
Smash Lord
SR: Depending on how safe you want stuff, you may not calc SR or do two separate calcs; if you want to be safe, assume the opponent has laid down SR. If you yourself use Stealth Rock, you can generally apply that in your counters/
Your last question: Two, or one if you don't worry about such too much. (Like me.)
Your last question: Two, or one if you don't worry about such too much. (Like me.)
C4NT1
Smash Rookie
I'm looking for anyone with an Expert Belt!
If you have one, request whatever Pokemon you would like form me in return and I will try my best to provide that Pokemon to you.
Thank you!! =)
If you have one, request whatever Pokemon you would like form me in return and I will try my best to provide that Pokemon to you.
Thank you!! =)
Overclassed
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I'm trying to put together a good baton pass team that includes Smeargle.
What should I look for in creating a solid baton pass team?
What should I look for in creating a solid baton pass team?
I have an Expert Belt (quite a few actually), but I don't need a Pokemon for it. Let me know when you're online and you can take it off after we trade.
Biggest suggestion I would have is use Umbreon and Mean Look and Yawn a pokemon that is easy to set up on. If you catch a Banded Dugtrio using Sucker Punch, your golden. Ensure that the pokemon you mean look doesnt have phazing abilities, and BP to something that can easily set up on the mean looked poke before you continue your chain. You will come across a LOT of taunters and phazers- building and playing a strong BP team can be very challenging, so dont expect perfection with your first team.
Ninjask works great in BP teams, as they can boost more than 1 stat in every turn (SD and then Speed Boost is win.) Vaporeon seems to do great as well, with its decent Defenses and a variety of options to BP.
Finally, be sure to end your chain with a pokemon that has the ability to damage every type for neutral. If your chain's end cannot damage everything, your going to run into issues.
(as a last suggestion, try Jirachi as your chain end! Pass a few Nasty Plots / Dances and some speed boosts, and run a set like Shadow Ball, HP Fighting, Iron Head and filler- maybe Fire Punch or Water Pulse? Water Pulse+Serene Grace gives a lot of confusion)
Overclassed
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So I suppose the best I can do is make one to begin with, and then tweak it constantly until it provides results?
C4NT1
Smash Rookie
Thanks, man. But, I got lucky yesterday and got one from the Old Man on Route 221, so I don't need the trade, now. =D
Jimnymebob
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What 2 moves would work best on a Kingdra, with Waterfall and Dragon Dance- Draco Meter, Outrage, Hydro Pump or Yawn?
WouW
Smash Lord
Outrage and Rain Dance/Hydro Pump/Sub/Yawn.
Your pick, really.
Your pick, really.
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Terywj [태리]
Charismatic Maknae~
I be looking for the following.
TM Stealth Rock.
Magmar.
Vulpix.
Lotad.
(Just some stuff I need to wrap up my Pokedex)
So yeah if you can offer those post here so we can work something out.
-Terywj
TM Stealth Rock.
Magmar.
Vulpix.
Lotad.
(Just some stuff I need to wrap up my Pokedex)
So yeah if you can offer those post here so we can work something out.
-Terywj
PsychoIncarnate
The Eternal Will of the Swarm
Personally I prefer Outrage...
How about a Double Dancer with Rain Dance to power up the Waterfall...?
Lucarian
Smash Cadet
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I have a Magmortar, would that count? I don't need it anyways.
Terywj [태리]
Charismatic Maknae~
Um yeah sure I could just breed it. What are you looking for / want?
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