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I've seen this happen. As for Alpha Zealot's analogy of Nascar, I have the following to say.
Do not draw distinction of a good player or a worse player by how far they are willing to travel to fight someone. It simply cannot translate into skill or just how much of it can be gathered. This is the kind of behavior that irks me, skill and power tends to inflate the ego to the point one makes such statements.
If by earning more skill by fighting someone on equal skill level, you are correct, it would be a waste for them to do "With Anyone", as they would be less likely to end up fighting with someone on an equal skill level than they would be with a Friend Code.
What characteristic are you comparing in your mathematical statements.
I mean, come on, I live in Belgium! Lol, there is no smash scene here!
Oh no, I shoud have clarified a bit more, I meant...it's hard to explain.
Since you missed it, I'll tell you. He's saying no one side is better, as skill doesn't matter in the end so long as one is having fun or doing what they want. I'll break it down.
I think it's more of a comparison of supriority then skill, the idea that one type of method of play is suprior then another...
I'm doing both dude, nothing better than getting on Smashboards and calling someone out from across the States...and ACTUALLY fighting them a minute later, greatness indeed.Well when it comes to Wi-Fi I really and absolutely don't care who I play against.
I probably "will" use "with anyone."
Why?
Because then after few weeks/months of playing matches I can actually see how good I am compared to the "average" person.
I am gonna try to get at least one pro's friend code though
That seems like complete bull****. You can't get good at something unless you're exposed to a wide verity of strategy and skill. (like you would if you traveled for tournies all the time) You cant POSSIBLY have an even CLOSE experience just playing a few of your local friends. Not because you don't have the ability to be as good as someone else, but because you're not exposed to the same palette of skill/strategy which a tourny goer would be exposed to.
This post right here demonstrates your complete ignorance on the situation. Traveling smashers defeat non-traveling smashers 99.99% of the time. I travel. I know. Non-travelers don't travel, so how are they in any position to say otherwise? Traveling smashers play a wider variety of opponents and know more tricks than smashers who never travel. This is an indisputable fact. What you are basically stating is that you are offended that we dare suggest that there are people out there who are far better than you who actually do what it takes to get better as opposed to sitting at home and smashing with friends.
Idiot is kind of strong; ignorant is a better word here.
Now now not all tournament players say that, it's a very small amount that does, this is what this thread is here for, to tell you that. Casual players too act as if tournament goes are idiots themselves as well.
All that means is that a typical traveling smasher probably has more skill than you.
I never stated I was offended by anyone saying that. What is fact is that anyone can gain skill by playing, even if it is only just within a group of local friends or not, that is how many pros started out, so would you actually dare say to one of them they never got skill that way? Of course, to further improve someone would have to meet a larger array of opponents, but one does not need to travel to learn advanced techniques, which might I add can be practiced against even someone else who knows these same techniques. To say that traveling is the only way is clearly untrue and THAT is 99.99 percent true unlike your own fact, it cannot possibly that high.
Dude this sounded awfully, just, ugh god awful defensive and high mighty off you, seriously dude. No one here has said they being casual, have just a good a chance at defeating anyone that uses advanced techniques. What WAS said however was that a person who plays casually CAN beat someone with advanced techniques, this in itself is true and just simply an impossibility for it to not be, they may not be able to beat everyone, but they can beat some. Calm down a bit, dude, wait till Brawl comes out when it's more convenient with Wi-Fi. You said it yourself "Seasoned competitive players will almost ALWAYS beat casual players."
You CAN gain skill without traveling but there's a limit to how good you can get by playing just your circle of friends. For example, if they only play like Fox, Falco, Falcon, and Sheik then how the heck are you going to learn how to play against Mario or Samus without traveling somewhere?
The counter to your argument is quite simple. Make your friend play other characters and you yourself play other characters. But I do see your point, two people can only grow so much from playing one another in the end, so you'll definitely want to find new ones in the end and traveling to Smash is indeed a means to that. Regardless of that fact however, traveling is not the one and ONLY way to become "truly good", it is not a true, concrete measure of how good a player is because there ARE other ways to attain such skill. For example now forthcoming, Wi-Fi for Brawl, this will certainly reduce that limit on those who can't travel have and give them more room for improvement, people such as me. To what extent however remains to be seen, but I remain relatively positive about it.
So if you want to learn how to play against Marth you just tell your friend to be Marth? No way lol
Yes, but how will your friend get good with said Marth? Practicing against you with a character -you- are extremely good with.
Except then he only learns one thing: How to fight against YOU. That does NOT make him a good player and it will never make him a good player.
So you're saying that it is just as easy to get "extremely good" with every character (so you understand the intricacies of the matchups) as it is to travel around your city and play other smashers?
You should check out one of Alpha Zealot's articles on some widely recognized Smashers, one of those written in there in fact is rather good with quite a number of characters, it is entirely doable even if one wants to main another character. What I'm trying to say is, if he wants to main Marth but practices on my mained Marth with Mario, he's eventually over time going to get good with Mario to the point that my mained Marth will have some at the very least some halfway decent knowledge about Mario. That is not to say however that other people play other Mario's different, there is however a common factor for all, all Marths can edge guard well, and this should be learned by all Marth's at some point or another, the same can be applied for Mario mains and Mario's strengths.
Nope, the two are quite different. But learning the intricacies of all the matchups IS one step forward.
False. I see countless posts of people roughly stating, "I could compete with pros if insert change of ruleset here." Plenty of people have stated that if competitives didn't use gliches, didn't ban items, didn't ban certain stages that they could and would win.
The odds of a casual beating a seasoned vet is so small that it is basically negligible. Just like a penny. Sure, a penny is money, but when you have $50 bucks on you, that penny is negligible, and you toss it on the ground, leave it in the tip jar (or leave a penny take a penny tray), or give it to the Salvation Army in a bucket by a guy with a bell.
False. Mindgames > Tech Skill
Why wouldn't I want people to accept my challenge? Why would I put 100$ out there if I didn't want to play people who think, "Hey, I could win that money!"
You mean someone like Azen? The reason why Azen is a 26 character wonder is because his circle of friends (H2YL) were some of the best players in the country at one point (and some still are). You know how that happened? They all traveled extensively (and I think they hosted tournaments themselves too) and still do.
It might not make him necessarily good, but it will make him better, and no matter how little; that is the point which makes my "Traveling is not a concrete decider of "truly good" or not". There are other, while not as effective, ways to become "truly good", of course "truly good" depending on the perception of who says "truly good"
Plus the knowledge on how not only to fight me, but a Marth, and that is my point. Basically you're saying, what decides someone's skill and how good they are, is how much money and time they have and can afford to use in order to get better, and NOT their capacity as an individual who can learn.
