Points of clarification about Casual Vs. Competitive that everyone needs to read(WOP)

[Uchiharakiri]

but the WHOLE POINT of the casual vs competitive thing comes from the CURRENT game... which is melee, which has wavedashing.... so i think its pretty relevent

...-blink-...Yes, you are completely right, wave dashing is not expected to be in Brawl...and as I have so graciously been corrected, this -is- the Brawl forum, element of fire's thread making, it sounds to me, in this case; is just bad. I still say close.

 

[element_of_fire]

...-blink-...Yes, you are completely right, wave dashing is not expected to be in Brawl...and as I have so graciously been corrected, this -is- the Brawl forum, element of fire's thread making, it sounds to me, in this case; is just bad. I still say close.

i didn't make the thread

 

[Met]

You must not have read it very closely. Sliding is an intended part of the physics engine. It is a natural result of air dodging into the surface. If it were not, why would every character have unique levels of friction? You are in complete denial. Accept the facts. You have done nothing to prove that wavedashing is a glitch. It is not a "widely known fact". It is widely spread complaint about competitive players.

because when you shield a attack you slide thats what it was put in there for. It doesn't matter about the deffinition of expliot of glitch. What we do know is that it wasn't intended at first then they knew about it and left it in when they released the second version. but when released it was not known about after someone descovered it they left it in so oviouslly they wanted it in. but i guess they changed there mind since its out of brawl

 

[TheBuzzSaw]

I can wave dash.

Your link was basically me typing what I did on the boards, but on your own blog.

"It is not a glitch that guarantees victory"
Just because it does not guarantee victory does not make it not a glitch. By your own logic you could say that the Ice Climber's glitch is just like a wavedash, because the ice climber's attacks, grabs and ice all of course adhere to the game's physics engine just like short hopping and wavedashing, an exploit.

Thusly, you draw distinction between what a glitch or exploit is by how advantageous it is. This is errenous, differing levels of advantage does not change something from being a glitch. Btw we are deviating from the thread topic, another sign of a bad topic.

You have horrible comprehension skills.

 

[AlphaZealot]

I expect this thread to be closed, it's just like every other before it. Now with that out of the way...my response!

Yes, sadly I read through all of that so I'll just respond to a few excerpts I found most thralling.

1. "Their "arguments" normally focus on some abstract "way the game was meant to be played", which we all know actually means "way I want to play the game". To this I can only say, who killed Sakurai and made YOU king?"

SSBM in tournaments is usually played without items. The game itself was originally intended by Our Lord God Sakurai Himself to be played with items, if not; originally they would not have been there. To that I can only say, nobody killed Sakurai, he's still the king, and he says the game was originally intended to be played with items, no matter what you possibly say about the game being better for tournaments without items, no discussion. The game however is still intended as well to be played without items with the emergence of the tourney scene, it still stands that the people who you perceive to be "whining" are only speaking a truth no matter how much they use it to cover whatever ineptitude you see from them.

2. "With the exception of a few rare douche bags the whole notion of elitism is false, most advanced players would be more than happy to explain advanced techniques to you."

You confirm in this quote of yours elitist douchebags exist with "With the exception of a few rare". Thusly because of this the notion of elitism in the Smash community is not false and is a very real thing, no matter how few or many people are such. I will also add my two cents and now label you an elitist because of your quote outlined in number 2. I will also add that just the same there are elitists in Smash, so as well are there those you call whiny and annoying noobs who particularly apparently don't want to try and "embetter" themselves. We are at a cross roads now, do you believe there to be more whiny annoying noobs than there are elitist douchebags, or do you think there are just about the same number of them, or are there less? Depending on your answer, you will either have had no reason to start this thread, for example, if there are as many annoying whiny noobs as there are elitists, why post at all, I could BEGIN to understand why you would post if there were more annoying whiny noobs; but I do not believe there are. "So why are there so many people that think tournaments are the scourge of Smash?", well, friend; there aren't that many people that think tournaments are the scourge of Smash. I'll give a humble guess and say there are about as many as there are elitist douchebags.

3. "Just don't be surprised when no one shows up, because virtually no one wants to play competitively with items. "

See kids here is an example of elitism, "no one wants to play competitively with items". My friend and I always play with items on Battlefield, and we are much better than your average run off the mill "noob". And I still win most my battles bar none, predominantly, I have been winning much more than he, items don't seem to be helping him -too- much. When you say such a thing with an absolute terminology such as "no one" you effectively try to say literally no one does, while I, a well skilled Smasher, do. I am humble and never would do such, and you are not, you are elitist.

4. "Then one day, they come up against someone using advanced techniques with tournament rules, get destroyed, then become angry and bitter towards tournament rules and techniques like wave dashing."

It seems that the whiny annoying noobs have made you become angry and bitter towards not only them but casual yet skilled players such as me, as I have found quite a few offensive and frankly, annoying and elitist sounding comments from you. Sorry dude but that's just the way it is.

I just want some clarification, what makes you "skilled"? Have ever been to a tournament (is so, which one and how did you place), or is your definition of skill based on your encounters with your friends? Its funny, because after traveling all over the country, playing hundreds of people, and going out of my way to try and get new players into the competitive scene, I have never, not even once, run into a "skilled" casual player. Maybe Bum was once that way...Shrug.

 

[Uchiharakiri]

i didn't make the thread

Oh, right, my bad again, I'm really sleepy. Hypnotist I meant, got a little distracted there.
As for my comprehension skills, they are always top notch despite my state of tiredness.

 

[element_of_fire]

buzz... i'm with you man.... but i got tired of this YEARS ago on gamefaqs... how do you still do it??? i don't have tha patience for this anymore... i'm out... good luck *pound*

 

[user_name]

For the last time, [size=+4]wavedashing is not a glitch[/size].

Until someone can provide contrary evidence, the wavedash is at worst a game exploit. Of course the creators probably did not intend for this to happen, but that does not make it cheating. A glitch implies that the game falls outside its normal bounds of proper function. No such thing occurs with wavedashing.

If items are meant to be part of the game, why do they have an off switch? Obviously, Sakurai wanted the game to be played however we want.

glitch: an unintended feature of a piece of software
exploit: to find or use an unintended feature of a piece of software

glitch does not equal cheating
exploit does not equal cheating

no... its not... there is NO part of wavedashing that goes against the programming of the game....

Hmm. Im a computer programmer, and Im not quite sure what the **** you're talking about. Of COURSE it dosen't go against the programming of the game... the programming IS the game! That's like breaking into someones house and stealing something and saying "It's ok because physics lets me steal things"

Responses in bold.

Um... The Hypnotist, you put me as the source of that quote, but the only thing I wrote was the top line:

"wow, long post. =)"

The rest was by someone else...

You basically just said "This person doesn't like me because I'm better than them.". I will now give you a situation in...lets say, school, where this would conceivably be said. Okay, now take into your mind a popular, and arguably snobby and pretentious cheerleader, looking at a gothic but deep down nice kid. She will say "That kid doesn't like me because I'm better than them." And the gothic kid who his nice and doesn't judge on appearances alone will hear this, and finally think; with the evidence at hand... "What a pretentious elitist *****."

They're both pretentious pricks.

 

[Uchiharakiri]

I just want some clarification, what makes you "skilled"? Have ever been to a tournament (is so, which one and how did you place), or is your definition of skill based on your encounters with your friends? Its funny, because after traveling all over the country, playing hundreds of people, and going out of my way to try and get new players into the competitive scene, I have never, not even once, run into a "skilled" casual player. Maybe Bum was once that way...Shrug.

I'm good, I may not be as good as you perhaps and maybe. But, I do feel confident enough in my abilities to say that I am quite good enough to not be considered "casual" as you might say. Regardless my skill level is not 100 percent relevant to the topic at hand. No one needs to be a Ken in order to post what you quoted from me on your post, I feel.

 

[TheBuzzSaw]

because when you shield a attack you slide thats what it was put in there for. It doesn't matter about the deffinition of expliot of glitch. What we do know is that it wasn't intended at first then they knew about it and left it in when they released the second version. but when released it was not known about after someone descovered it they left it in so oviouslly they wanted it in. but i guess they changed there mind since its out of brawl

It actually makes a bigger difference than you think. If wavedashing is a glitch, casual players have more of a case in terms of "not breaking the game". If wavedashing is an exploit (and not a glitch), then casual players are simply choosing not to improve their abilities. Scrubs play within the mental prison of "creator's intent". That is their choice. That is not the fault of exploits.

Also, you have no proof (nor does anyone else) that Nintendo went out of their way to remove wavedashing. They changed the air dodge physics which resulted in being unable to wavedash, but that does not mean they targeted wavedashing specifically. This is just another instance of people claiming to know Sakurai's brain when they really have no clue.

user_name, you completely pulled that definition for glitch out of thin air in order to fit your purposes. A glitch is when software falls outside its intended bounds. On a calculator, if I push 1 + 1, I will get 2. If I want to, I can exploit the system and skip that process by simply pressing 2 in the first place. However, if I push 1 + 1 and the result is 43, that is a glitch because the system reacted in a way that was unintended. Air dodging into the surface results in a slide: AN INTENDED PART OF THE PHYSICS ENGINE. To say that players abusing it is a "glitch" is essentially calling ALL COMBOS that Sakurai didn't think up a glitch.

 

[The Hypnotist]

I agree with everything you said, Hypnotist. I'd like to know how you feel about the Smash Balls in tournaments though.

I think that the smash balls should be counterpickable or only allowed is both player agree on them because they are items and some are broken (Bowser).

 

[user_name]

It actually makes a bigger difference than you think. If wavedashing is a glitch, casual players have more of a case in terms of "not breaking the game". If wavedashing is an exploit (and not a glitch), then casual players are simply choosing not to improve their abilities. Scrubs play within the mental prison of "creator's intent". That is their choice. That is not the fault of exploits.

Also, you have no proof (nor does anyone else) that Nintendo went out of their way to remove wavedashing. They changed the air dodge physics which resulted in being unable to wavedash, but that does not mean they targeted wavedashing specifically. This is just another instance of people claiming to know Sakurai's brain when they really have no clue.

But in this instance, glitch and exploit mean the same thing...

If there is a difference in definition, please, please define both glitch and exploit for me, point out the differences, and site examples. (preferably using both Smash examples and examples straight from any code source which give an example of a glitch or exploit)

user_name, you completely pulled that definition for glitch out of thin air in order to fit your purposes.

I pulled it out of dictionary.com. If you're talking about the altered version I stated above, than yes, you're right to an extent, although I was simply shortening it and modifying it so it would better apply to this situation.

A glitch is when software falls outside its intended bounds. On a calculator, if I push 1 + 1, I will get 2. If I want to, I can exploit the system and skip that process by simply pressing 2 in the first place. However, if I push 1 + 1 and the result is 43, that is a glitch because the system reacted in a way that was unintended. Air dodging into the surface results in a slide: AN INTENDED PART OF THE PHYSICS ENGINE. To say that players abusing it is a "glitch" is essentially calling ALL COMBOS that Sakurai didn't think up a glitch.

Pressing 2 is in no way an exploit. It's simply 2. The equation x + y = z has nothing to do with the number 2, other than if you equate x and y to 1 z would be equal to 2. This is intended. This was intended from the first steps of creating the calculator to the moment you punched in those keys.

Wavedashing is however, not intended. Not because it's a combo, but because it exploits a hole which allows you to bypass restrictions which ARE intended.

Wavedashing isn't a glitch... it's hot and amazing.

Competitive players love the fact that it is a skill-based technique that adds another facet to the game. Casual players should never encounter it, so it should be a non-issue anyhow.

Again... just because something works, is good, etc... doesn't mean it's not a glitch.






if you want to talk about casual players whining about advanced players using advanced techniques, please don't try to tell someone who's been programming longer than SSBM has been out that he's wrong about a computer science related question. Unless, of course, you have a similar amount of experience.

 

[Aryman]

I think that the smash balls should be counterpickable or only allowed is both player agree on them because they are items and some are broken (Bowser).

If both players agree on it hmm... I like that idea. They're def. not like other items though, as they do take some skill and strategy to acquire.

 

[TheBuzzSaw]

But in this instance, glitch and exploit mean the same thing...

If there is a difference in definition, please, please define both glitch and exploit for me, point out the differences, and site examples. (preferably using both Smash examples and examples straight from any code source which give an example of a glitch or exploit)

Read my post: 3rd paragraph

 

[Uchiharakiri]

It actually makes a bigger difference than you think. If wavedashing is a glitch, casual players have more of a case in terms of "not breaking the game". If wavedashing is an exploit (and not a glitch), then casual players are simply choosing not to improve their abilities. Scrubs play within the mental prison of "creator's intent". That is their choice. That is not the fault of exploits.

Also, you have no proof (nor does anyone else) that Nintendo went out of their way to remove wavedashing. They changed the air dodge physics which resulted in being unable to wavedash, but that does not mean they targeted wavedashing specifically. This is just another instance of people claiming to know Sakurai's brain when they really have no clue.

Saying the creator's intent is a mental prison is downplaying Sakurai's intention for those who so choose to play casually and with non advanced techniques regardless if they know of them or not. Downplaying such things sounds to me a little weeee bit pretentious, just a tad. As for knowing Sakurai's brain, nobody does, not you nor I. But we do know the following.

Wave dashing at first was not intended. The developers knew of wave dashing before melee was out, they kept it in. In Brawl, wave dashing is no longer possible, this means that they knew their changes would remove wave dashing, it was probably Sakurai's idea, man that man is evil.

 

[user_name]

Read my post: 3rd paragraph

Yes, my bad, I didnt see that post appear until after writing my post =)

 

[D20]

Wavedashing isn't a glitch... it's hot and amazing.

Competitive players love the fact that it is a skill-based technique that adds another facet to the game. Casual players should never encounter it, so it should be a non-issue anyhow.

 

[TheBuzzSaw]

Saying the creator's intent is a mental prison is downplaying Sakurai's intention for those who so choose to play casually and with non advanced techniques regardless if they know of them or not. Downplaying such things sounds to me a little weeee bit eliteist, just a tad. As for knowing Sakurai's brain, nobody does, not you nor I. But we do know the following.

Wave dashing at first was not intended. The developers knew of wave dashing before melee was out, they kept it in. In Brawl, wave dashing is no longer possible, this means that they knew their changes would remove wave dashing, it was probably Sakurai's idea, man that man is evil.

I don't think you understand... at all...

Let's try something simpler, shall we? I think I know where our misunderstanding is rooting from (since it can't really come from anywhere else). What is not an exploit? I doubt Sakurai knew about Link's jab to grab combo or jab to down-smash combo. Does that make it a glitch? The creators didn't know about it. I doubt Sakurai intended for me to jump off the ledge, grapple to the side, hang there for a while, and fall to my death (on purpose). So, now it is a glitch? Or is it just an exploit? Is it only an exploit if you win? Honestly, who told you that you have to play as Sakurai intended? Did Sakurai include a letter with his games saying, "If you don't play my way, I will be deeply offended"? Honestly! Where does your logic come from?

 

[Hoboman725]

hyrule and items are fun. there I said it. I think anyone who really sits down and thinks about it, even the most die hard casual (is that an oxymoron?) will come to the conclusion that both should be banned from tournament play.

wavedashing is a glitch. a glitch that adds to the depth of gameplay but a glitch all the same.

for the record, I'm not casual or pro, I'm somewhere in between. I don't wavedash, and I fully admit that people who do are better than me.

 

[Circus]

Hypnotist, I won't doubt that most of what you say is true. I'm not competitive. I'd wager 99% of this forum, if not more, is probably better at Smash than I am (and yet that doesn't bother me). I'm sure you know exactly what you're talking about and I know that these "whiners", "scrubs", whatever you want to call them, do exist.

However, you seem undoubtedly biased against casual players. This is definitely not the first time I've seen a post like this from you (in fact, I'm pretty sure I've seen other threads like this from you) and you certainly have a tendency to pick on the casual players whether you know it or not. The title of this thread seems neutral enough, yet your entire first post is pretty much dedicated to telling the "anti-competitive crowd" not to be such whiners. Which is good advice. But where's the argument for the other side? Clearly you're not a casual player, but you could still have given the elitists a message just the same way you gave the scrubs one. Instead, you just kind of brushed the elitists off with a "yeah, there are a couple douches" comment, when the rest of your post basically makes it sound like every casual player thinks they're god's gift to Smash. Your focus just seems a little askew is all.

I don't know. Maybe I've got you wrong. I just get this "holier than thou" impression from you.

Regardless, casual players, whether they disapprove of advanced techs or lack of items or whatever, shouldn't be complaining. That much is for **** certain.

 

[The Hypnotist]

Um... The Hypnotist, you put me as the source of that quote, but the only thing I wrote was the top line:

"wow, long post. =)"

The rest was by someone else...





They're both pretentious pricks.

Sorry, the quotes were acting up, I was soooo confused... Anyways... sorry for the double post, I won't post this reply right now, I'll do it after the next commercial on House because I don't want tis to appear as a double post but that's assuming someone will post.

 

[TheBuzzSaw]

wavedashing is a glitch. a glitch that adds to the depth of gameplay but a glitch all the same.

OK, here is your reading assignment: http://roabs.blogspot.com/2007/11/wavedash-is-not-glitch.html

Now, tell me at what point wavedashing becomes a glitch. Point it out for me.

 

[Takalth]

Explanation of glitch through analogy:

Suppose Chess was never a board game. It started out instead as a computer game. After a month, two things were discoverd that were not intended by the designer:

1. The king can actually move 2 spaces if he is taking a piece.
2. The four move check-mate

Both were unintended by the developer, but only the first one is a glitch. What's the difference? In #1, the program is behaving in a way that the developer didn't intend. In #2, the program is behaving exactly how the developers intended, but the user is applying a tactic that was not foreseen.

Thus, to have a case for wavedashing=glitch, you have to point out where the program is behaving in a way that was not intended.

EDIT: just a note to Circus. The original post carefully used the term "anti-competitive" rather than "casual" whenever it was deriding. Had he used the word "casual," I would agree with your post, but by his wording, the post only targeted the people who come onto the boards and say that competitives are stupid, elitist, and playing wrongly.

 

[Uchiharakiri]

Hypnotist, I won't doubt that most of what you say is true. I'm not competitive. I'd wager 99% of this forum, if not more, is probably better at Smash than I am (and yet that doesn't bother me). I'm sure you know exactly what you're talking about and I know that these "whiners", "scrubs", whatever you want to call them, do exist.

However, you seem undoubtedly biased against casual players. This is definitely not the first time I've seen a post like this from you (in fact, I'm pretty sure I've seen other threads like this from you) and you certainly have a tendency to pick on the casual players whether you know it or not. The title of this thread seems neutral enough, yet your entire first post is pretty much dedicated to telling the "anti-competitive crowd" not to be such whiners. Which is good advice. But where's the argument for the other side? Clearly you're not a casual player, but you could still have given the elitists a message just the same way you gave the scrubs one. Instead, you just kind of brushed the elitists off with a "yeah, there are a couple douches" comment, when the rest of your post basically makes it sound like every casual player thinks they're god's gift to Smash. Your focus just seems a little askew is all.

I don't know. Maybe I've got you wrong. I just get this "holier than thou" impression from you.

Regardless, casual players, whether they disapprove of advanced techs or lack of items or whatever, shouldn't be complaining. That much is for **** certain.

Okayyy let's see, quoted for truth annnd...

I don't think you understand... at all...

Let's try something simpler, shall we? I think I know where our misunderstanding is rooting from (since it can't really come from anywhere else). What is not an exploit? I doubt Sakurai knew about Link's jab to grab combo or jab to down-smash combo. Does that make it a glitch? The creators didn't know about it. I doubt Sakurai intended for me to jump off the ledge, grapple to the side, hang there for a while, and fall to my death (on purpose). So, now it is a glitch? Or is it just an exploit? Is it only an exploit if you win? Honestly, who told you that you have to play as Sakurai intended? Did Sakurai include a letter with his games saying, "If you don't play my way, I will be deeply offended"? Honestly! Where does your logic come from?

Let's start with Link's jab to grab combo, Sakurai knew, the creators knew. I'm pretty about 85 percent sure they knew. They played the game extensively during testing and before hand. I never said we had to play as Sakurai intended, I myself short hop and l cancel when I need to. As for jumping off the ledge, grappling to the side and dying on purpose. That's not an exploit or glitch, that's just being silly; as such that argument is null on the issue of exploit/glitches.

 

[user_name]

OK, here is your reading assignment: http://roabs.blogspot.com/2007/11/wavedash-is-not-glitch.html

Now, tell me at what point wavedashing becomes a glitch. Point it out for me.

The part where the landing animation disappeared. This is not intended. Fortunately, HAL didn't catch this glitch and it became an advanced tech.

 

[Hoboman725]

I believe a glitch is something that gets into the game unintended that changes the way a game is played. I don't believe Sakurai put it in there on purpose.

none of this really matters though, it's a great gameplay tactic that good players can and should use.

 

[The Hypnotist]

If both players agree on it hmm... I like that idea. They're def. not like other items though, as they do take some skill and strategy to acquire.

They should be counterpickable or agreed on by both players because once again, some characters have unfair, broken FINAL smashes.

Wave dashing at first was not intended. The developers knew of wave dashing before melee was out, they kept it in. In Brawl, wave dashing is no longer possible, this means that they knew their changes would remove wave dashing, it was probably Sakurai's idea, man that man is evil.

Doesn't mean Sakurai hated wavedashing, do you like Sakurai hates Ness?

Hypnotist, I won't doubt that most of what you say is true. I'm not competitive. I'd wager 99% of this forum, if not more, is probably better at Smash than I am (and yet that doesn't bother me). I'm sure you know exactly what you're talking about and I know that these "whiners", "scrubs", whatever you want to call them, do exist.

However, you seem undoubtedly biased against casual players. This is definitely not the first time I've seen a post like this from you (in fact, I'm pretty sure I've seen other threads like this from you) and you certainly have a tendency to pick on the casual players whether you know it or not. The title of this thread seems neutral enough, yet your entire first post is pretty much dedicated to telling the "anti-competitive crowd" not to be such whiners. Which is good advice. But where's the argument for the other side? Clearly you're not a casual player, but you could still have given the elitists a message just the same way you gave the scrubs one. Instead, you just kind of brushed the elitists off with a "yeah, there are a couple douches" comment, when the rest of your post basically makes it sound like every casual player thinks they're god's gift to Smash. Your focus just seems a little askew is all.

I don't know. Maybe I've got you wrong. I just get this "holier than thou" impression from you.

Regardless, casual players, whether they disapprove of advanced techs or lack of items or whatever, shouldn't be complaining. That much is for **** certain.

Interesting, first off, I've seen you post before and I'm looking forward to playing you one day, I like what you say. Second, this is targeted towards the casuals because the majority of the casual players are misinformed (in ratio to advanced players). they think that we only play on FD with Fox, that hurts. And there are a couple of douches, but not NEARLY AS MANY AS CASUAL DOUCHES WHO DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT.

And can we drop the wavedashing stuff, I really don't want this epic thread to go there. I want to hear the casuals thoughts on the original post.

 

[TheBuzzSaw]

The part where the landing animation disappeared. This is not intended. Fortunately, HAL didn't catch this glitch and it became an advanced tech.

You are making that up! The landing animation does not disappear because it never triggers in the first place. The designers put these physics in on purpose. When designing air dodging, they had to design something for when characters drift into a hard surface. They chose to make characters slide (hence different levels of friction among characters).

 

[Uchiharakiri]

They should be counterpickable or agreed on by both players because once again, some characters have unfair, broken FINAL smashes.



Doesn't mean Sakurai hated wavedashing, do you like Sakurai hates Ness?



Interesting, first off, I've seen you post before and I'm looking forward to playing you one day, I like what you say. Second, this is targeted towards the casuals because the majority of the casual players are misinformed (in ratio to advanced players). they think that we only play on FD with Fox, that hurts. And there are a couple of douches, but not NEARLY AS MANY AS CASUAL DOUCHES WHO DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT.

And can we drop the wavedashing stuff, I really don't want this epic thread to go there. I want to hear the casuals thoughts on the original post.

The majority of casual players don't even know what wave dashing is. It is when casual players find out what it is, and proceed to whine about it, that they stop being casual players and just become casual whining annoying noobs, the kind you hate. Most casual players do not think the competetive scene is all Fox, Battlefield and Shinings, that is if they know about it that is.

 

[Tony_]

You must not have read it very closely. Sliding is an intended part of the physics engine. It is a natural result of air dodging into the surface. If it were not, why would every character have unique levels of friction? You are in complete denial. Accept the facts. You have done nothing to prove that wavedashing is a glitch. It is not a "widely known fact". It is widely spread complaint about competitive players.

Funny, I thought only certain characters could only slide, like Luigi. His sliding is NOT a glitch its intended. For everyone else, its NOT intended. Try again.

 

[element_of_fire]

Funny, I thought only certain characters could only slide, like Luigi. His sliding is NOT a glitch its intended. For everyone else, its NOT intended. Try again.

i know i said i was done.... but this post made me, 'wtf'

 

[TheBuzzSaw]

Funny, I thought only certain characters could only slide, like Luigi. His sliding is NOT a glitch its intended. For everyone else, its NOT intended. Try again.

WTF? Are you blind? Have you wavedashed with every character yet? They all go slightly different distances. Luigi happens to have the lowest amount of friction. Zelda has the highest. All the other characters have friction somewhere in between. The sliding is natural for everyone.

 

[Cless]

What are you talking about? Everyone slides. Different characters have different friction.

 

[FalconPunch]

Everyone can slide or have you never lightshielded before.

 

[Tony_]

What are you talking about? Everyone slides. Different characters have different friction.

Vids or they never slid XD.

 

[TheBuzzSaw]

Everyone can slide or have you never lightshielded before.

This is where the friction comes into play.

 

[FalconPunch]

Exactly. What is tony talking bout?

 

[user_name]

You are making that up! The landing animation does not disappear because it never triggers in the first place. The designers put these physics in on purpose. When designing air dodging, they had to design something for when characters drift into a hard surface. They chose to make characters slide (hence different levels of friction among characters).

Ok, so then the black hole glitch isn't a glitch because it was put in intentionally. The EFFECT wasn't intentional, but the the physical environment that allows the effect to be created is.

There are several ways wavedashing could have been fixed, they could have locked all control shortly after an airdodge land, they could have locked all jumping after an air-dodge land, they could have implemented a lag when a command is issued directly after an air-dodge land. They could have altered the air-dodge the way it was altered in Brawl. They could have rewritten the physics engine.

Funny, I thought only certain characters could only slide, like Luigi. His sliding is NOT a glitch its intended. For everyone else, its NOT intended. Try again.

What? Friction levels are all intended.... It's just that Luigi's is very low... (which is fitting) All characters have SOME slide before their friction brings them to a halt...

 

[The Hypnotist]

Please guys, we're just not going to agree, and Buzz feel free to crate another actual serious WD thread with a good arguement, but plase not here, this thread shouldn't be ruined.

 

[FalconPunch]

The physics do not explain why the black hole glitch happens AFAIK.