Platform Fighter Exploration Thread: Round 117: General RAAM

[Dan Quixote]

Honestly what's there left to say about Shovel Knight? His moveset is almost perfectly made for Smash, I think the series is still Nintendo's favorite indie even over Undertale, and the IP is still going strong with new content and games. I think I really would call him a near lock for the next Smash game, and that's great! It's such an important game, blowing up the indie scene along with FNaF in the mid-decade that we're still feeling the ripples of now.

 

[fogbadge]

I think the series is still Nintendo's favorite indie

very bold claim

 

[Dan Quixote]

very bold claim

I'm sure Undertale would be if Toby Fox was a corporation but as is they love to platform Yacht Club Games.

 

[fogbadge]

I'm sure Undertale would be if Toby Fox was a corporation but as is they love to platform Yacht Club Games.

are they the only indie company they do this for?

 

[Dan Quixote]

are they the only indie company they do this for?

Not really, but it feels like it's been happening quite consistently for years.

 

[fogbadge]

Not really, but it feels like it's been happening quite consistently for years.

fair enoguh

 

[amageish]

Yeah, I don't really know what to say about Shovel Knight that hasn't already been said. Great character with a great design from a great game. He's already been in, like, every crossover indie game ever - to the point where a lot of people have been actively hoping he ISN'T in Fraymakers just because he's already been in so many platform fighters lol.

Here's something I haven't heard discussed in these conversations: Do you think we'd get body swap Shovel Knight too?

She... looks almost indentical to regular Shovel Knight, but it's not like that's stopped them before...

 

[GolisoPower]

Yeah, I don't really know what to say about Shovel Knight that hasn't already been said. Great character with a great design from a great game. He's already been in, like, every crossover indie game ever - to the point where a lot of people have been actively hoping he ISN'T in Fraymakers just because he's already been in so many platform fighters lol.

Here's something I haven't heard discussed in these conversations: Do you think we'd get body swap Shovel Knight too?

She... looks almost indentical to regular Shovel Knight, but it's not like that's stopped them before...

I'd say so. That's the one advantage Shovel Knight has over the Heroes: he could have a female alt for consistency, unlike Eleven and Eight, who don't have female alts. And it's part of the main game too, unlike Terry whose female alt is from a spin-off. There seems to be a lot going for this.

 

[fogbadge]

Yeah, I don't really know what to say about Shovel Knight that hasn't already been said. Great character with a great design from a great game. He's already been in, like, every crossover indie game ever - to the point where a lot of people have been actively hoping he ISN'T in Fraymakers just because he's already been in so many platform fighters lol.

Here's something I haven't heard discussed in these conversations: Do you think we'd get body swap Shovel Knight too?

She... looks almost indentical to regular Shovel Knight, but it's not like that's stopped them before...

well that generates questions i dont want answered

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

At the very least, pogo stick move. Probably was said already though.

 

[Dan Quixote]

I think the fact that the female Shovel Knight model changes like three pixels total is one of the funniest parts of the game ngl

That said, for a fighting game we might need a bit more distinction

 

[Gengar84]

I don’t know many indie characters but Shovel Knight is one I definitely recognize, even before becoming an assist trophy in Smash. I’ve never played Shovel Knight but my friend is a huge fan. It does look like it would be pretty fun if I could make the time to play it. I love that it was the first property to bring back the Battletoads for a cameo appearance. Shovel Knight feels like he would fit right in with Smash and I’d be happy to see him.

 

[amageish]

I'll end Shovel Knight's day in around 24 hours, so if anyone wants to use their noms now or get out at last-minute thoughts, now is the time to do so!

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

All noms to Max(Shining Force).

But yeah, I got nothing. For Shovelry, I guess?

 

[Gengar84]

Noms:
x15 Raziel (Soul Reaver)

 

[GolisoPower]

Noms:
All in on Rango for NASB

 

[Dan Quixote]

Holy crap I've got 35 noms? I have totally forgotten to use em in a while lol. I'll toss 20 to Carl Johnson and 15 to Jason Frudnick.

 

[amageish]

Okay, day over. Not the hugest amount of conversation, but also Shovel Knight has already been in several platform fighters, so there is arguably not as much to speculate about when... We have him in some form.

Spoiler: The Noms List

50-75 noms
Kiryu Kazuma - x110
Azura - x95
Alphen and/or Shionne - x85
Taliyah - x85
Jack Frost - x75
Ahri - x70
Bubsy - x70
Max (Shining Force) - x70
Chell - x67
Hearthstone Innkeeper - x65
2B - x60
Opa-Opa - x55

26-50 noms
Stella (Spiritfarer) - x45
BJ Blazkowicz - x45
Jason Frudnick - x45
Jonesy - x37
Trauma Center Content - x32
Wilfre - x30
Wadanohara* - x30
Zero Escape Rep - x30
King Harkinian - x30
Sly Cooper - x28

11-25 noms
Carl Johnson - x25
Chun-Li - x25
Meowth - x25
SMT Content - x25
Daitoryo - x25
Rango (NASB) - x25
Clockman (NASB) - x20
Master Hand - x20
Mega Man X - x20
Morrigan - x20
Darkest Dungeon Content - x16
Raziel (Soul Reaver) - x15
Ezio - x15
Gunvolt - x15

5-10 noms
Pauline - x10
Lobotomy Corporation/Library of Ruina Content - x7
Jack (Final Fantasy Origin) - x5
Frogger - x5
9-volt - x5
Nathan Drake - x5
Ahri - x5
Spyro the Dragon - x3
Tracer - x3

Spoiler: Usable Noms

Commander_Alph - x20
fogbadge - x15
GolisoPower - x15
Schnee117 - x15
DanganZilla5 - x15
Dan Quixote - x20
amageish - x15
Verde Coeden Scalesworth - x10
Gengar84 - x10

Up next is Isaac from Golden Sun! Here's some music to get into the mood.

Spoiler: Isaac Music Sampler

 

[DanganZilla5]

While I've only played some of the first Golden Sun, I would really like to see Isaac make it into Smash. His fans have been begging for decades and Isaac would have such an interesting moveset with his magic. I'm just glad he got a few music tracks and a pretty good assist trophy.

As for a question, I came up with something a little different. What should his victory tune be?

Noms: B.J Blazkowicz x15

 

[Paraster]

I have a few thoughts on Isaac

1. Earth magic good

2. I really need to remember to play more of GS.

3. A GS character would provide more representation for the 2000s, which is one of the less represented decades among fighters (especially in terms of franchises as opposed to characters).

4.

I've been on a minor Golden Sun kick today, and while I don't have much experience with the series's gameplay, I've caught sight of the "unleash djinn" mechanic. The idea of being able to unleash a single really powerful attack at the cost of temporarily lowered stats afterwards seems like an interesting idea (assuming it isn't overcomplicated by including a "djinn select" or something like that).

Thoughts on this idea? Not just for Isaac, but as a concept in general?

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

10 on Max(Shining Force).

As for Isaac, I'd like to see his alts use different swords as much as possible.

Something related to Djinn could be neat, even if it's mostly for summons. I feel overcomplicating it with classes isn't the best idea(that would be cool for a second Hero character, though?).

 

[Perkilator]

Noms:
Azura x5

 

[GolisoPower]

So as somebody who's only known Golden Sun from a brief look into the franchise, I understand that it's a TRPG that has different elemental attunements. Question: how would Isaac's abilities differ from other magic-using swordfighters like Robin and Hero in Smash Bros?

Robin's style is more tactical, taking advantage of item durability and various spells to strike at the right moment, while Hero's is the more casual "play for laughs" character with all his. But what about Isaac? How would he use his powers to best replicate the combat of Golden Sun in Smash?

Noms:
All in on Rango for NASB

 

[fogbadge]

But what about Isaac? How would he use his powers to best replicate the combat of Golden Sun in Smash?

the system in golden sun is one that would be tricky to recreate in smash. see there are a number of collectable creatures in the games which you equip to your character and that changes what moves they can use. id rather they didnt try to recreate this system in smash cause the idea that the characters need to play as they do in their games is just getting daft especially as theres plenty of characters who dont

personally id really hope isaac is very different from his assist trophy. huge hands is all well and good but hes got way cooler moves for combat. from using rocks and pure earth power to growing huge plants hed have a move set thatd really stand out. and of course theres all the neat trick the djin can do. although i think we can all agree his final smash should be a summon, my choice would be judgment.

 

[Gengar84]

I’d love to see Isaac make it into Smash one day. I played the first Golden Sun and got to Venus Lighthouse before getting stuck. I don’t remember too much about the game but I do remember enjoying it.

Since my memory is a bit foggy, does anyone remember if Felix played anything like Isaac? I remember liking his design but can’t recall how he actually played in Golden Sun.

Another thing that could be cool is to have young and old Isaac as clones. I think having the two forms of Ike was a really cool idea for alternate outfits but I feel like Isaac wouldn’t really work the same way because it looks like he grew more between his incarnations so they probably wouldn’t fit the same frame. Matthew could potentially work as an alt though.

 

[fogbadge]

I’d love to see Isaac make it into Smash one day. I played the first Golden Sun and got to Venus Lighthouse before getting stuck. I don’t remember too much about the game but I do remember enjoying it.

Since my memory is a bit foggy, does anyone remember if Felix played anything like Isaac? I remember liking his design but can’t recall how he actually played in Golden Sun.

Another thing that could be cool is to have young and old Isaac as clones. I think having the two forms of Ike was a really cool idea for alternate outfits but I feel like Isaac wouldn’t really work the same way because it looks like he grew more between his incarnations so they probably wouldn’t fit the same frame. Matthew could potentially work as an alt though.

did you play the second one cause felix was only playable in that?

 

[Gengar84]

did you play the second one cause felix was only playable in that?

I bought the second game but I only played about an hour or two before I got distracted with another game and I never had the chance to get back to it. I remember Felix being playable and some really good music but almost nothing else. I can’t remember how Felix actually played.

 

[fogbadge]

I bought the second game but I only played about an hour or two before I got distracted with another game and I never had the chance to get back to it. I remember Felix being playable and some really good music but almost nothing else. I can’t remember how Felix actually played.

me neither to be honest I didn’t finish it either

 

[amageish]

As for a question, I came up with something a little different. What should his victory tune be?

I mean...

It's a boring choice, but effective.

Since my memory is a bit foggy, does anyone remember if Felix played anything like Isaac? I remember liking his design but can’t recall how he actually played in Golden Sun.

They share enough moves that I could see them being alts for each other in Smash. I mean, we have Alph without his rock pikmin, Ness/Lucas using a bunch of moves they can't do in the game, and etc... They can round to the nearest JRPG swordsman haha.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Isaac is playable in Golden Sun 2, but I don't think you could use him in the overworld. He's in your party later on, though. I can't remember entirely. I haven't played it in over 10 years, after all.

 

[fogbadge]

So shall we move on?

 

[amageish]

Sounds good! Here's the noms...

Spoiler: The Noms List

50-75 noms
Kiryu Kazuma - x110
Azura - x100
Ahri - x85
Alphen and/or Shionne - x85
Taliyah - x85
Max (Shining Force) - x80
Jack Frost - x75
Bubsy - x70
Chell - x67
BJ Blazkowicz - x60
Hearthstone Innkeeper - x65
2B - x60
Opa-Opa - x55

26-50 noms
Stella (Spiritfarer) - x45
Jason Frudnick - x45
Rango (NASB) - x40
Jonesy - x37
Trauma Center Content - x32
Wilfre - x30
Wadanohara* - x30
Zero Escape Rep - x30
King Harkinian - x30
Sly Cooper - x28

11-25 noms
Carl Johnson - x25
Chun-Li - x25
Meowth - x25
SMT Content - x25
Daitoryo - x25
Clockman (NASB) - x20
Master Hand - x20
Mega Man X - x20
Morrigan - x20
Darkest Dungeon Content - x16
Raziel (Soul Reaver) - x15
Ezio - x15
Gunvolt - x15

5-10 noms
Pauline - x10
Lobotomy Corporation/Library of Ruina Content - x7
Jack (Final Fantasy Origin) - x5
Frogger - x5
9-volt - x5
Nathan Drake - x5
Ahri - x5
Spyro the Dragon - x3
Tracer - x3

Spoiler: Usable Noms

Commander_Alph - x20
Schnee117 - x15
Dan Quixote - x20
DanganZilla5 - x15
Paraster - x15
Verde Coeden Scalesworth - x20
GolisoPower - x10
fogbadge - x25
Gengar84 - x20
amageish - x10

Next up is Mash Kyrielight from the Fate/ series! I've personally only played Fate/Extra and the Cooking Mama clone game, but this is a giant IP with a lot of different entries.

Spoiler: Mash Kyrielight Music Sampler

 

[Perkilator]

Noms:
Azura x5

 

[GolisoPower]

Sounds good! Here's the noms...

Spoiler: The Noms List

50-75 noms
Kiryu Kazuma - x110
Azura - x100
Ahri - x85
Alphen and/or Shionne - x85
Taliyah - x85
Max (Shining Force) - x80
Jack Frost - x75
Bubsy - x70
Chell - x67
BJ Blazkowicz - x60
Hearthstone Innkeeper - x65
2B - x60
Opa-Opa - x55

26-50 noms
Stella (Spiritfarer) - x45
Jason Frudnick - x45
Rango (NASB) - x40
Jonesy - x37
Trauma Center Content - x32
Wilfre - x30
Wadanohara* - x30
Zero Escape Rep - x30
King Harkinian - x30
Sly Cooper - x28

11-25 noms
Carl Johnson - x25
Chun-Li - x25
Meowth - x25
SMT Content - x25
Daitoryo - x25
Clockman (NASB) - x20
Master Hand - x20
Mega Man X - x20
Morrigan - x20
Darkest Dungeon Content - x16
Raziel (Soul Reaver) - x15
Ezio - x15
Gunvolt - x15

5-10 noms
Pauline - x10
Lobotomy Corporation/Library of Ruina Content - x7
Jack (Final Fantasy Origin) - x5
Frogger - x5
9-volt - x5
Nathan Drake - x5
Ahri - x5
Spyro the Dragon - x3
Tracer - x3

Spoiler: Usable Noms

Commander_Alph - x20
Schnee117 - x15
Dan Quixote - x20
DanganZilla5 - x15
Paraster - x15
Verde Coeden Scalesworth - x20
GolisoPower - x10
fogbadge - x25
Gengar84 - x20
amageish - x10

Next up is Mash Kyrielight from the Fate/ series! I've personally only played Fate/Extra and the Cooking Mama clone game, but this is a giant IP with a lot of different entries.

Spoiler: Mash Kyrielight Music Sampler

So to start: Mash Kyrielight is one of the main characters of one of the biggest mobile games in the world, Fate/Grand Order. She's a Shielder-class Servant, meaning she deals and takes neutral damage from all other Servant Classes.

In regards to how she fights, F/GO has a battle system where you have 5 cards divided into Buster, Quick, and Art cards amongst each Servant. Buster Cards are raw damage, Quick Cards generate Stars that increase a Critical Hit chance, and Art Cards generate meter to charge your Noble Phantasm. Mash has 1 Quick, 2 Buster, and 2 Art. Noble Phantasms are unique Cards in which have different utilities: they can deal damage, buff allies, debuff enemies, etc. Mash's Noble Phantasm is Lord Camelot, a Support NP that buffs Defense and buffs her own Attack power. As for how she fights by herself: she wields a huge shield that she uses to bash enemies into and defend herself from incoming attacks.

The card battle system could be a Marth-style Side B where she starts with a normal attack, then follows up with a Buster, Art, or Quick Attack, I imagine.

Noms:
All in on Rango for NASB

 

[Paraster]

Noms: Spyro x15

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

20 on Max(Shining Force).

I saw little of her, besides I think the one movie? Shielder means she should obviously have a strong defense option, including possibly a counter move or a reflect/deflect move. Besides that, some reference to her Dangerous Beast alts are obvious, but they need obvious reworking.

 

[fogbadge]

noms to stella from spiritfarer

 

[Gengar84]

Noms:
20x Raziel (Soul Reaver)

 

[amageish]

A card-based fighter sounds like an interesting premise! It is kind of a surprise how we have so many JRPG characters and not someone repping that sub-genre...

Any thoughts on how they'd balance repping all of the different Fate/ series?

 

[DanganZilla5]

I got nothing for this day. I've been thinking about getting into Fate but right now it's not a priority. I would like to just ask though, what are some banger songs the series has?

B.J Blazkowicz xMax