Plan Zero Revealed On Brawlhacks Wiki!

[DeadX]

Probably. It changed the taunts to working victory poses.

shame that you can hover in the air with down spec.

 

[timothyung]

After a bit of experimenting, it looks like characters can use effects from other characters, assuming you ONLY use the effects. Luigi could use Mario's effects like the fire explosion effect, but the game didn't take kindly to changing the moves themselves.
That means that characters may not be limited to their own effects.

Because those you mentioned are not character specific effects. They're always loaded no matter what character are chosen.

 

[V-K]

wow looks like you can edit characters a LOT

 

[Roy-G-Biv]

shame that you can hover in the air with down spec.

I think it's meant to be a ground attack.

Hopefully he can make the attack not work in the air.

 

[DeadX]

I think it's meant to be a ground attack.

Hopefully he can make the attack not work in the air.

ye, i hope so.

also, i was told you needed dynamic SD loader and SD files to get this to work. is that true?

 

[Plasmakirby1]

I think it's meant to be a ground attack.

Hopefully he can make the attack not work in the air.

maybe it can be made to launch you downward when used in the air, such as bowser's VB.

 

[leafbarrett]

Because those you mentioned are not character specific effects. They're always loaded no matter what character are chosen.

The fire effects from Mario's FS? I could have sworn that that was character-specific.

 

[Plasmakirby1]

what about kirby? he has copy abilities, so could he use all of the effects in one file?

 

[leafbarrett]

what about kirby? he has copy abilities, so could he use all of the effects in one file?

He only copies the neutral-B, so that would probably be the only thing he could use.

 

[Roy-G-Biv]

Phantom Wings could go here and prove us all wrong right now if he could/wanted.

And so, How would you go about assigning aerial only moves to ground attacks?
Like Tornado to Down-B?

 

[leafbarrett]

Phantom Wings could go here and prove us all wrong right now if he could/wanted.

He could do frigging anything Brawl-related. We need to get him working together with Pharrox on coding/making the model inserter- wait, he said he'd leave that to Pharrox, didn't he? D:

 

[Kirk]

Phoenix Mario dittos in action!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7InK9yoOIE

Just thought I'd post...we were mostly testing stuff out. Naturally there's a few tweaks to be made, but it's still fun as ****. I plan on posting my other matches soon. (These were over wifi by the way.)

 

[Roy-G-Biv]

He could do frigging anything Brawl-related. We need to get him working together with Pharrox on coding/making the model inserter- wait, he said he'd leave that to Pharrox, didn't he? D:

But we need help from Phantom Wings to make much faster progress.

 

[jackharvest]

Phantom Wings could go here and prove us all wrong right now if he could/wanted.

And so, How would you go about assigning aerial only moves to ground attacks?
Like Tornado to Down-B?

The same way he could take Link's >A move and place it on Young link's neutral A, just at a faster pace.

Since moveset swapping is possible via codes, one would suppose that it would be possible with editing the PAC file. Until PW releases information on the limitations of using inter-character effect/moveset exchanging, we wont know whether or not Marth could have Ike's >B dash, or Luigi's Tornado could be placed on Mario (or even Wario for that matter).

Does that makes sense? The beamsword technique is unique to an item, and that animation can be used by any character. Firey explosions are sometimes unique to the character, but oftentimes is yet another gimmick set up from items' and their effects as well. Each move that Phoenix Mario performs is a doable (or at least in one frame or another) executable via the normal Mario. Speeds and effects are changed along with it to make it more epic.

So, let's view another item's animation process. You could take Metroid's "spin jump" item, and apply that animation onto Sonic's UpB move, so that after using the spring, he spins as well. Heck, add a fire effect onto that too - not only do you have an UpB move using the spring, he now spins, using fire. This process would be possible, merely because of the animation prospects from the item, as well as fire effects used from items as well.

Technically, the "pick up the box" animation could be used for replacing the current animation for throwing opponents, because Mario is pre-loaded with that animation. Use the animation from the super scope to give Lucario a DragonBall Z-esque "continuous shot" animation of his Neutral B move. Add some epicness by having him continue to switch hands when he shoots those - since he has animations for using his left arm, as well as his right.

Is this making more sense now? From the images and screens we've seen, this is the conclusion I'm coming to, and the conclusion that many of you have probably already come to. UNLESS phantom wings lets us in on whether or not 'inter-character' animations are possible, that range of imagination shouldn't really be played around with quite yet.

/phat-'a' post

 

[ChronoTrigga]

He only copies the neutral-B, so that would probably be the only thing he could use.

So in essence....one could make a super hair dryer Kirby? Or a kirby that blows people into black holes?

 

[-Kagato-]

I did not read the whole topic so forgive me if this has been asked already:

Is it possible using this process to actually give movesets to AT models and make them into characters? Like Shadow, Little Mac, Isaac, and Lyn?

 

[Firus]

Well...If they do ever make fan-made characters official, this'll be a nightmare to balance.

I don't think there's ANY chance that it'll become tourney standard. If it gets some sort of official status, I imagine it will be like Brawl+ and Balanced Brawl, either a part of a pre-existing one (likely Brawl+ if it is), or given a whole new codeset and everything.

I actually think that, if/when it gets an official status, it'll actually be fairly easy to balance. I think PW was just having fun with this one.

One step closer to making the Claus (Masked man) Moveset.

Way to Mother 3 Spoil. Y'could've just said Masked Man.

Anyhow, Did anyone try to put Mario's Pac into another character's folder and rename the file to the character's name?

I'm 99% sure that would freeze the game when it tries to load the character, but it is an interesting concept.

 

[superyoshi888]

stuff

That sounds wicked awesome.

 

[timothyung]

I'm 99% sure that would freeze the game when it tries to load the character, but it is an interesting concept.

No it doesn't. Only t-poses. No freezes. And the result is lolz. Try it yourself

 

[MaxThunder]

So? Just because we don't understand it at first doesn't mean we can't learn. Besides, I'm quite certain that there will be plenty of tutorials for it, given time.
And for those that are stubborn enough (like me XD), even if we can't make anything very good at first, we'll keep trying until we get it right.

just what i was thinking=)... i'm just gonna make my fail yoshi once though... does anyone know what yoshi means in japanese?... i want to call my yoshi the japanese word for the oppositee...

 

[Firus]

No it doesn't. Only t-poses. No freezes. And the result is lolz. Try it yourself

Oh, really? Well, I'm just about to try it myself, I was just loading it up.

 

[FrozenHobo]

No it doesn't. Only t-poses. No freezes. And the result is lolz. Try it yourself

it will freeze with ICs.

 

[Firus]

Ooh, I just thought of something...this brings new potential to PT's Pokemon used separately, because you can alter the Down B to do something.

 

[Zephron]

What happens if you re-name it to FitMario00.pac?

...would it not load at all, work for just neutral mario, or have no effect?


I agree on the voting system for the new characters. Maybe I'll make a topic with a poll on it.

But then who would make it and would people actually allow it to be in b+ even if we tried to balance it?

 

[Roxas215]

I don't think any made chars should be tournament viable. But if by some reason they are i really hope they are balanced.

 

[leafbarrett]

maybe it can be made to launch you downward when used in the air, such as bowser's VB.

I'd prefer if he made it so that it only lets you stand in midair once, kinda like the cape; after that, it doesn't slow falling speed. It'd be good for mindgames.

 

[Firus]

I don't think it'll work if you name it FitMario00.pac, because that's not what it is. With the numbers at the end, it's a texture, without them, it's an effect, and you can't put regular effects on just one costume, so I'm not sure why you could put this one.

Also, I just tried putting in the .pac and renaming it with Dedede and it froze before the stage even loaded.

 

[MaxThunder]

Ooh, I just thought of something...this brings new potential to PT's Pokemon used separately, because you can alter the Down B to do something.

yeahyeahyeah! we must find some moves that work good and are not broken so it can become official... that would be really amazing and brawl+ would hop another big step away from vBrawl...

...also i think pheonix mario's down-b in the air should shoot fires down(but the same stance) and cancell downward momentum... but you can only use it once...

 

[Plasmakirby1]

i had an idea for R.O.B

^smash= up tilt animation and has a fireblast
B= fire beam. hold to fire continuously
^B= surrounded by a fire veil
VB= gyro shot animation. fires a mid charged gyro, that has reflection effects
>B= ray gun animation. shoots an electric bomb that releases energy that follows the ground/wall (like mario fireball)
> air= electric karate chop spike
< air= fire veil, and much more range
V air= faster
>smash= splits into 3, one going up, down, and in the middle
V smash= up smash animation. sends a fire wave on both sides
A= B animation. as if the laser had no charge at all, but with more range

again, these are quick ideas, and i didn't have ideas for some attacks

 

[timothyung]

Hmm if your character have something like sword trails, the game will freeze if you replace the FitXXX.pac with PMario's, because the sword trail texture is in that file. The game can't find that texture, so it freezes. But others are fine, like CF. ICs has trails of their hammers, so it'll freeze.

 

[MaxThunder]

... for roy it would indeed be cool whith his neutral-b an f-smash whith ikesplosion effect... but is it possible? if the eksplosion is character spesific i'm pretty sure it wont work... but if it isn't it would be cool=)...(though if it is ...there is some other kind of eksplosion effects right?)

 

[Revven]

Ooh, I just thought of something...this brings new potential to PT's Pokemon used separately, because you can alter the Down B to do something.

I doubt it, the Pokemon Character Files are the same whether they are individual or not. So if you changed Down B for Indy Charizard, likely, he won't be able to switch if you go to PT... Or some kind of freeze would happen.

 

[UltiMario]

*fangasm*
Oh my gawd I need some new pants.

 

[PKNintendo]

Way to Mother 3 Spoil.

Oh... Wait you haven't played that game yet... I am honestly sorry I spoiled it.
But when you actually meet him, it's **** near obvious.

I really am sorry.

 

[SymphonicSage12]

So you could give Ganon a dark sword with this? Well, obviously it wouldn't be an actual sword, but.. :D


My idea for an awesome jiggz revamp:


Side b has electric effect

jab is now jab, jab, side tilt kick as a third jab (although I don't know if this if possible)

Rollout has metroid spin jump effect (not sure if this is possible either)

dtilt has dark waves coming out of it in addition to the regular attack (:D:D:D:D)

uair has dark effect :D


these are just some cool ideas that might not be possible, but still, this whole plan zero thing is AMAZING!!

 

[Zephron]

I can see the make a move topic booming now, XD.
But please don't make this topic a place for that.

Also, why don't we discuss creating new characters instead of messing with the ones that already exist. They're already in the game, give someone else a chance.

 

[MaxThunder]

I doubt it, the Pokemon Character Files are the same whether they are individual or not. So if you changed Down B for Indy Charizard, likely, he won't be able to switch if you go to PT... Or some kind of freeze would happen.

but they do have their own separate folders for textures... and the pac file goes in there... actually, i think that the down-b belongs to the trainer and the pokemons themselves dont have a down-b... like their connected to the trainer like its some kind of parent object... and adding a down-b might overide the pokemon trainer d-b... and isnt that proved by the independent pokemon engine?... correct me if i'm wrong but that makes every pókemon not have the trainer there and their d-b dont do anything cause their disconected from pk right?

@zephron: i think we should perfect the ones that are in the game before making new ones(aiming at PT... and possibly shiek/zelda... it would be cool if they where independent too... just change their d-b and you could still select them independently whith the hacked css...

 

[hotdogturtle]

Has anyone tried Baby Phoenix Mario yet to see how well this hack works in conjunction with the size modifier codes?

 

[Plasmakirby1]

So you could give Ganon a dark sword with this? Well, obviously it wouldn't be an actual sword, but.. :D


My idea for an awesome jiggz revamp:


Side b has electric effect

jab is now jab, jab, side tilt kick as a third jab (although I don't know if this if possible)

Rollout has metroid spin jump effect (not sure if this is possible either)

dtilt has dark waves coming out of it in addition to the regular attack (:D:D:D:D)

uair has dark effect :D


these are just some cool ideas that might not be possible, but still, this whole plan zero thing is AMAZING!!

i don't think that is possible. i think to have the character have different attacks, you have to go withing the boundry of the effects that character can use. so jiggs can use only regular attacks. it sucks. i would have given her shadow ball, ice beam, dark pulse, and blast burn

 

[SymphonicSage12]

But jiggs has dark rest already...and she had fire rest before...