After I play Brick again, I guess I'll know the MU for sure.
All I know is that whenever I watch Brick play this Lucario in my area that plays him all the time (and he's not quite at Brick's skill level), the only thing holding Lucario back from countering is Pika's edgedguarding traps, speed, and Lucario's limitations.
I just love being a character that doesn't get CG'd, and it's weird that whenever I see Pika play this MU he can seemingly live for AGES against MK kill moves (like 150% consistently), but he'll die to like tipper Lucario fsmash when both opponents are at 80% lol, even when they do sideB momentum canceling.
ESAM was really smart in using fsmash to cover Lucario's landing, imo if you can keep that fresh while using it in crucial pockets when you need to outrange lucario, this is a good tool.
From what Brick tells me he really hates this MU. He probably says like 40:60 or something along those lines lol
@tagxy: I think you're giving Lucario's kill moves a little less credit than where it's due. Also if you time/space your fullhop tjolts right you can avoid AS trapping most of the time (at least along the ground)
the reason why luc's fsmash works is because it's a great outzone tool, it's super slow, but anything in that aura field is gonna die, hence why it's used to outspace whiffed tilts/aerials/smashes for most chars (great tool against Marth/MK's fair, fsmash/ftilt, dtilt, and smashes, respectively), and covers air dodge really well as a side bonus. Then again, it's pretty hard to get pika with fsmash aside from the edge or reads. Then again there's also the fact that the later Lucario is killed in a MU, the more varied his kill moves become. Stuff like nair and uair are great killers (uair is pretty powerful), and then there's the frame 1 FP grab if they sit in shield for too long. I wish Pika was easier to harass offstage though
