PGD: Happy Birthday, Red!

[redfeatherraven]

Goddamn.

We need Lady Luchachu as an alt. That's ****ing legit.

 

[Thor]

PGD: The sexism is too damn high...

 

[Geoberos]

Call in the Agniance -- the cycle starts anew!

 

[Leaf.]

I'm here to agree with Tofer and Phoenix.
And for whatever snacks you guys have put out right now. Gimme.

 

[Roller]

I forget, do I need premium to change my name? 'cause I want to.

 

[Maaaaaaaaaan]

I once caught a Female Pikachu in HG/SS, and it was holding a sandwich as a hold item.

 

[Thor]

Call in the Agniance -- the cycle starts anew!

Hey that was RACISM not SEXISM ok!?

Also if that's true, then we get more puns!!! YESZ!!

I approve Geoberos. I approve.

 

[Maaaaaaaaaan]

I think you're starting to get the hang of it now. lmao

 

[~automatic]

That didn't take long at all did it?

 

[redfeatherraven]

Nope, pretty solid turnaround time.

 

[ToferTheHuman]

We are all perfect role models.

 

[KayLo!]

Personally, I fear for all of our future children.

 

[ToferTheHuman]

I don't want kids, so I am fine.

 

[Maaaaaaaaaan]

My kids will be borderline superheroes

 

[ToferTheHuman]

I think your phone auto-corrected you saying "Meth addicts."

 

[Pikabunz]

Meth addict superheroes.

 

[redfeatherraven]

Saw that in a comic once.

 

[Pikabunz]

Does anyone have a smash code they want to give me?

 

[Thor]

Does anyone have a smash code they want to give me?

Sorry my sister got a pair from a friend and while I'm not using mine (my 3DS is at home in MN and I'm in Urbana-Champaign at UIUC : [ ). I'd have no idea who to give it to (if you ban me for not giving you the code I'll appeal it to another mod [if necessary, a mod without one and bribe them via the spare code : P) and there are some people on Brawl- forums I was already looking at possibly giving it to so... yeah...

Check reddit though -- I heard a guy was just giving away codes because he somehow got a ton of them [have not verified this myself but someone on Brawl- forums asking for a spare code told people never mind because he got one from reddit].

Honestly if I gave it to someone here you'd be near the top of the list, but I'd probably put redfeatherraven over you (he's got the stuff to top you, punbelievable as that might seem, if you know what I mean).

EDIT: Also, I too doubt I will have children (but never say never except for the three times the word never is said in this sentence).

 

[redfeatherraven]

I have the stuff to top who?

Vote of confidence much obliged homie. But if you get a code, ship it his way - he'll know what to do with it better than me.

Plus, I'll need to watch him work if I ever plan on becoming more than a scrub this go-round.

 

[Maaaaaaaaaan]

I have the stuff to top who?

Exactly.

He's like the ****tier Mike Jones.

 

[redfeatherraven]

Max10n, I'm disappointed in you.

There is no such thing as a ****tier Mike Jones. Insult me properly.

 

[Maaaaaaaaaan]

? I was insulting Prime. Lmao

 

[redfeatherraven]

Really.

Well ****.

 

[Maaaaaaaaaan]

Did you not know the greatness that is Mike Jones and his catchphrase? :o

 

[~automatic]

Will live life as usual for Smash 4 demo code
Anyone got one for this guy?

 

[redfeatherraven]

Did you not know the greatness that is Mike Jones and his catchphrase? :o

I think what actually escaped me was the tie back to Prime, which makes me feel like I should get out more or something.

Funny story. I got the demo after all.

 

[Thor]

So at the Brawl tournament today I went Pikachu and Falco until losers finals, having lost to a DK 3-1 in Winners (beat him with Falco but lost as Pikachu twice - DK is not easy). I lost to Wario 0-2, then picked MK and trounced him despite never really playing MK before. Then he switched to his real main, Snake, and I screwed up twice or I'd have taken him to game 5. In friendlies afterwards I was also solidly beating the DK with my MK.

3rd place, doubled my entry fee. And I now possibly will co-main MK.

 

[Leaf.]

Don't do that.
Not so close to the end. Please don't be one of the last people to pick up that mask. It'll be a mark on you for the rest of your life.

 

[Thor]

Don't do that.
Not so close to the end. Please don't be one of the last people to pick up that mask. It'll be a mark on you for the rest of your life.

I'm not gonna drop Brawl anytime soon.

And if I had actual people to practice with on any consistent basis I could play my mains better.

But I'm not that good at the game. And Wario is freaking annoying (especially when I'm unfamiliar with the MU). If I could practice with those guys who placed well [or anyone really] on some regular basis I'd stay Pikachu/Falco only, but when I can't play the game often and struggle to find people to play outside of the super random once-a-too-long-a-time-period tournaments, I think playing MK in unfamiliar MUs that I can't win with my mains (both of them tried and neither went well) will give me the edge. And I play to win.

Besides, I always WANTED to main MK because he's cool [same reason I wanted to main Falco in Melee and in Brawl], but then he was banned when I started playing the game at all (2012) and so I picked Falco and then switched to Pikachu later (But I'm DEFINITELY not dropping Pikachu - I can see how fun he is to play, even though I need to get a lot better). So I'll probably main him in Smash 4 [unless he's broken again].

Also ICs suck, so if I can't learn the Pikachu/IC MU enough (or get any practice with my Samus/ZSS), I might have to put that mask on to make myself more resistant to infinites. Or does that bother you too?

EDIT: By "co-main" I mean "I will pick this character if I think it gives me a chance to win my mains in the list prior won't, and these are characters I can actually play" - and my list is Pikachu/Falco[/MK].

Also now a Smash Lord.

 

[redfeatherraven]

I am forced to concur with Leaf. Counterpicking fighters in this fashion is a legitimate strategy, but MK has a shadow over him. Using him only to win will be seen as unscrupulous, potentially even in an ostracizing way.

If you had the resources to learn any other successful counter to those matchups I would advise against MK entirely simply due to the stigma. However, being in the half-barren midwest myself, I can sympathise. It is not enough that I would advise it, but enough that I can voluntarily abstain judgement.

In brief, I might not agree, but I do understand. But, as is often the case, I may be a minority opinion.

I would therefore advise that you understand that this counterpick strategy, specifically, could have additional consequences to your image as a contender. Wear the mask with both eyes open, if you will.

Beyond that, I leave the choice to you.

This advice brought to you by Dr. Scrub, M.D. This product is not intended to diagnose or treat any disease. If you find that you wear the mask for longer than four hours, please seek immediate medical assistance.

 

[Thor]

I am forced to concur with Leaf. Counterpicking fighters in this fashion is a legitimate strategy, but MK has a shadow over him. Using him only to win will be seen as unscrupulous, potentially even in an ostracizing way.

If you had the resources to learn any other successful counter to those matchups I would advise against MK entirely simply due to the stigma. However, being in the half-barren midwest myself, I can sympathise. It is not enough that I would advise it, but enough that I can voluntarily abstain judgement.

In brief, I might not agree, but I do understand. But, as is often the case, I may be a minority opinion.

I would therefore advise that you understand that this counterpick strategy, specifically, could have additional consequences to your image as a contender. Wear the mask with both eyes open, if you will.

Beyond that, I leave the choice to you.

This advice brought to you by Dr. Scrub, M.D. This product is not intended to diagnose or treat any disease. If you find that you wear the mask for longer than four hours, please seek immediate medical assistance.

What does "using him only to win" even mean...? I enjoy playing him, but I only use him if I don't think I can win another way (and maybe this is where others differ, but when I enter a tournament, I play to win - also I don't play MK because MU inexperience but that was universal for those characters so it didn't matter).

I don't know other counters to DK/Wario unless I should learn ICs CGs or play Dedede [which I can sort of-ish do] (which, let's be honest, ICs are a worse option than MK because they don't get me anywhere against Wario and look super duper lame anyway, and playing Dedede against those characters make me look super lame, because at that point it's obvious I'm not even trying to fight them but just do one rather simple infinite over and over again until they lose). I have tried learning Marth/Snake before, and while I could try Snake again I don't think I the right playstyle for Marth being my best character (if that makes sense).

Again, I'd really rather just improve my other characters - I was just saying that push comes to shove, when I'm down 0-2 in the set [or got bodied hard enough that I can tell Falco will get me nothing] I think I now have the confidence and ability to pick MK [whereas before now I was always sure I couldn't play MK at all]. Is that really such a bad thing?

Also people there were like "LOL if you could play MK why were you not!?" and not "Why you gotta be so lame and play MK!?" so in that case my image wasn't really a problem...

Also da heck is with this "wear the mask" stuff?

 

[Leaf.]

Wearing the mask is essentially the mark you get put on you for using MK.

It's not that it bothers me, it just pains me to see people who go to MK when they aren't confident elsewhere. It's completely fine to play to win, but it's not what entertains me. Not that it matters to me at all because I'm not really watching or following Brawl at all anymore, but still.

 

[~Radiance~]

Lucina gets a mask now. What if she's op, then is she the new mask?

 

[redfeatherraven]

I mean no disrespect by saying you are using MK only to win. It's simply an observation condensed from the following:

I enjoy playing him, but I only use him if I don't think I can win another way...

Again, I'd really rather just improve my other characters -

If you could win with your usual characters you would likely not turn to MK, but when you can't, you do. And again, I note this is a perfectly legitimate strategy. My personal philosophy is that you can argue anything but results, and you got results.

Our point is simply that MK has had somewhat of a rough history. Because his matchups are so solid, he's become perceived, for better or worse, as a tool players of lesser skill can use to win undeservedly.

I understand that wasn't the sentiment at your tournament, and good on em for that. But some people are saltier than others, and most people are susceptible to some kind of FUD. It could lead to an uphill battle elsewhere.

As before, I pass no judgement, I only provide information.

Lucina gets a mask now. What if she's op, then is she the new mask?

God, I hope so, just for the ironic callback.

I still owe you a soda.

 

[ぱみゅ]

I learned how to MK from Balanced Brawl (that's why my Tornados are usually bad), am I a bad kid?

 

[Thor]

Wearing the mask is essentially the mark you get put on you for using MK.

It's not that it bothers me, it just pains me to see people who go to MK when they aren't confident elsewhere. It's completely fine to play to win, but it's not what entertains me. Not that it matters to me at all because I'm not really watching or following Brawl at all anymore, but still.

I had just won one game with a lucky trip (he tripped into a smash) and otherwise lost like 5 in a row (one via trip but whatever). And people were like "No one here plays MK" so I said "Ok I'll try it!". Then it turns out his Wario didn't know the MK MU at all XD. And then Snake came along and I messed up a few times (new character in tournament does that...) and game set.

But I've never fought a Wario before and until I switched to MK it was literally the most frustrating thing I've ever done in Brawl, tied with the first time I ever fought RRR [very skilled Kirby main] - it was like fighting Fox in Melee as Link [it feels like you can only shield, and that gets worn away...], but in Brawl where I don't have nearly the pressure options or tools to punish his air camping. Falco was a LITTLE better but we were CGing each other back and forth and the Waft was the difference.

Then I switched and was like "wait... I outrange your everything. And I can surround myself for short-term protection in pressure (nair!)." And so I won .

I'm going to go to the Q&A thread and ask for help in that MU (probably Falco and Pikachu threads, not just Pikachu). And also ask about dealing with DK's bair and dsmash (those things are so annoying...).

I probably was the lesser-skilled player in some aspects, but I have to ask: if he can't play X character and I can play X character to beat his other characters, am I lesser-skilled because I use a better character, even if he lacks the skill to use that character? [By everyone's admission I was the best (only) even partial-MK there, which all of us were unaware of until partway through Loser's Finals game 3 when I pulled out to a fairly strong lead.]

I'm also aware I should be clear on the situation - for the record I thought I was on my way out with an 0-3 so I switched for kicks, not because I credibly thought I could win a game with MK [and because no one else had played him the entire tournament, and he was not played in Grand Finals either].

Also red, I use him because, alongside Pikachu and Falco, he's fun to play (as are Luigi and Samus, but I suck with them more so they stay in friendlies), and winning is usually a great deal of fun for me [of course]. So while I do play my characters to win (if I didn't care I'd probably just play Samus or Luigi), I usually try to make my character selects so that I'll win but also have fun - I figured getting air-camped to heck was unfun so I'd give chase - it just happened to be significantly more effective than I realized.

 

[redfeatherraven]

Playing MK is like sex with a woman.

See, in both cases, you have to start somewhere. And while there are many different ways to go about it, one method is passed around in both camps as a surefire way to achieve - press the Special button enough, and you win.

If all you know about is to press the Special button occasionally you can get by, but some people get bored of that, some get actively frustrated at the lack of technique, and in general everyone leaves a little less satisfied than they would have otherwise. And if you do it enough word gets around and then nobody wants to play with you anymore.

The analysis you just provided suggests you know enough to understand it's more than just where a button is.

This is sufficient to get my approval.

Drop the mic. Next topic.

 

[Phantom Gamer]

I believe that until Kaylo changes the title to something else we stick to the current topic of people joining the dark side.

 

[Thor]

I believe that until Kaylo changes the title to something else we stick to the current topic of people joining the dark side.

No.

And thanks redfeatherraven.

Also no Kyokoro_Pamuyo (though my tornados were non-existent, as are my QACs and jab locks...).

Change the title to something less sucky KayLo!.

Also I did "join" not the dark side [and I don't think that even means anything].