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Persona 4 Arena Ultimax: Out in NA, It's Time You Burn That Dread

Minato

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Matador said:
I wish I could join... Oh, how I wish I could join...
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Let's play next time there's a lobby.

GGs, guys, but I need to go eat and I think I'm done for today on P4U.

Livewire, I'm gonna do a post for you after I'm done eating. There were a lot of issues in your matches.
Also have to say, save more matches of you losing to know what you're doing wrong.

It seemed like you were saving after every win or if you got only one round.
 
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GGs everyone.

But laggy. :(

My connection with S4kurazaki has always been kind of rough, but it showed up in that last match with Minato too.

Oh well, not a good day for me I guess.
 
LivewiresXe

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Minato said:
Let's play next time there's a lobby.

GGs, guys, but I need to go eat and I think I'm done for today on P4U.

Livewire, I'm gonna do a post for you after I'm done eating. There were a lot of issues in your matches.
Also have to say, save more matches of you losing to know what you're doing wrong.

It seemed like you were saving after every win or if you got only one round.
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I literally have zero idea what to do against Elizabeth. None. Like, I felt like "I missed one block, bye bye to 6k that I can't do anything about or Burst out of". I had MOMENTS where I had some good things against Yosuke but yeah...I feel like there's kinda a reason you won like 40 straight times, lol.
 
Minato

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LivewiresXe said:
I literally have zero idea what to do against Elizabeth. None. Like, I felt like "I missed one block, bye bye to 6k that I can't do anything about or Burst out of". I had MOMENTS where I had some good things against Yosuke but yeah...I feel like there's kinda a reason you won like 40 straight times, lol.
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There are various places to burst. If Liz is using her normals, during a certain part in Bufudyne, and if I'm on my last Persona card. If I'm DPing you with Liz, punish with backdash into 5C or do 214A. If I do A Ziodyne, do D Ziocar to punish on block, if I do B Ziodyne you have to do it before. Don't guess, you can react. Don't ever do raw Ziodyne to Liz without extra meter. She can just IK you. Also, you have to rush her down since I'm constantly gaining meter. I saw you go up to me way too cautiously. If you're worried about A or SB Ziodyne, you need to get used to reacting to those and blocking. Also, everything Liz does can be punished by Narukami.

When I was Narukami, I was really really really disappointed on what you do on my oki lol. I keep telling you, you can't mash out of it but you do it anyways. All you did was 2A or DP. I was hoping you saved those matches where I used Narukami. You would've been able to recognize all my safe jumps and stop DPing during them. I didn't see any guard cancels either.

Also, you really need to hit the lab. So many AoA starters. That's all you did. I wasn't scared either of having it land on me since you never did the full hits for a Fatal.
 
LivewiresXe

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I'd actually been in the lab for like 75-80 minutes before people were on to start the room, so it isn't so much a matter of not knowing what to do, but people able to see and do it regardless of my mood and on what's going on. I warned myself that with Liz and Yosuke being characters I hate fighting against, I was going to wind up a bit annoyed or pissed off, but with stuff going on where it feels like I can't do anything due to it essentially feeling like 1 touch death due to me not quite knowing what is what (and feeling like I was getting punished ON punishes), I once again found myself increasingly frustrated and not letting myself think straight.

I say this, because I feel as the room went on, I, after doing a decent amount better in the first half of it, kinda could feel myself slipping into auto-pilot by the tail end. So, that being said, I think I need to work on how I actually handle unknown situations and on being able to keep my composure and think straight when facing things that make me feel like I want to panic since when I DO panic, I begin mashing, which causes me to mess up and drop inputs, which causes me to not block when I want to, which overall causes me to perform much worse than when I'm calm and allow myself to think. If I had properly stopped myself from freaking out and forced myself to keep my head together, I think it's safe to say I would've done much better. Perhaps I need to find something that will calm my anxiety.


By the way, do you have any advice on dealing with that grab of hers with the invincibility frames and that Persona one she does? I get the feeling that whether her Persona does the sort of roar sound or not has something to do with what happens after too, though that might just be that one attack.
 
Minato

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I just need you to come into matches with the intent to take all our advice into account. Too much sweep into nothing, random AoAs, mash, and raw sweeps. Also don't autopilot into power charge so much.
LivewiresXe said:
By the way, do you have any advice on dealing with that grab of hers with the invincibility frames and that Persona one she does? I get the feeling that whether her Persona does the sort of roar sound or not has something to do with what happens after too, though that might just be that one attack.
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Grab has no invincibility frames. If she does it in the air, she's able to make it go far and half screen kinda. Basically do a 5A by reacting to the grab or just jumping. If you're just guessing, you find get 2Ced by mashing or even jumping too late and there goes a ton of life. I basically use 5D if people are just falling for it. j.D is great for people who keep doing bad techs.

2C is the roar move and it does have super armor. Just dash 5A after the animation is over, that's all. Liz can OMC into another 2C if she wants, so be sure to hold back before 5Aing so you can block in time.

Side note, grab, 5D, 2C, and DP when she has 100 meter all cause fear status. It means combos will be fatal and grabs can't be teched. Fear status means more damage I think. Also, iirc, fear status and the amount of 2Cs affect how much damage her Awakening super does.
 
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Minato said:
I just need you to come into matches with the intent to take all our advice into account. Too much sweep into nothing, random AoAs, mash, and raw sweeps. Also don't autopilot into power charge so much.

Grab has no invincibility frames. If she does it in the air, she's able to make it go far and half screen kinda. Basically do a 5A by reacting to the grab or just jumping. If you're just guessing, you find get 2Ced by mashing or even jumping too late and there goes a ton of life. I basically use 5D if people are just falling for it. j.D is great for people who keep doing bad techs.

2C is the roar move and it does have super armor. Just dash 5A after the animation is over, that's all. Liz can OMC into another 2C if she wants, so be sure to hold back before 5Aing so you can block in time.

Side note, grab, 5D, 2C, and DP when she has 100 meter all cause fear status. It means combos will be fatal and grabs can't be teched. Fear status means more damage I think. Also, iirc, fear status and the amount of 2Cs affect how much damage her Awakening super does.
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Well yeah, like I said freaking out makes me forget to follow stuff up and hit A and B too fast because I'll get to thinking "oh shoot, gotta do something!" causing AoAs, so gotta work on that. Then again, thinking on it, if I'm panicking and thinking that I have to do SOMETHING, that something should probably be "do nothing and block". It may not seem like it sometimes as I admit I occasionally recess into old habits, but I do read and listen to what you guys say and am working on being better about it. With Power Charge, I feel that's a lack of experience. For some reason I find the 236A/B>236A/B parts of combos with Chie to be something to get used to and will have moments where it goes 5B>2B>nothing or 5B>2B>Power Charge. I've been playing around with a 5B>2B>236A>236A>236236A>66C>236B>236A/B>236D combo for example.

Hearing that the grab stuff does't have super armor or invincibility frames kinda confuses me, as it certainly looked a number of times like my attacks would literally go right through it, whiff, and then I'd get thrown and combo'd.
 
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Your letting go of your guarding a lot. Sometimes I get the feeling that you think that you can challenge a move during blockstring. If you do think that, don't. You have to kinda know where you are able to safely let go.

You really don't like to guard, do you? ;(

My lack of constant practice is definitely showing in my games. So sloppy today. My stick control was a lot better though, aside from missing a couple of airdashes and super inputs.
 
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It's at least partly that for sure, I can admit. Things that go through my head as I'm blocking are normally like wondering "what's he going to do next" or "crap I'm headed towards/in the corner, so when's a good opening to get out of here and put THEM in the corner", etc. When I'm being put in a guarding/blocking state then my opponent is running the match. So while I understand guarding and being in that state is a necessity, I admit that I don't primarily like being in that state where I need to because I feel sometimes that "if I was a better player, I'd have less situations where I have to block these blockstrings". That's not constructive though when the blockstring is a safe one.
 
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I block so much as Kanji and I think it's helped me pick up on numerous little gaps and player tendencies.

I think Yukiko is a good character to play against to learn how to block.
 
Minato

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So while I know Own3d.tv was shutting down, the site's officially gone now.
Which I could still check the archives from Jiyuna's stream. :ohwell:

And I might hop on around the same time as Livewire. We'll see.
 
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Own3d.tv? I've admittedly never heard about it, since you mentioned Jiyuna stuff I'm thinking it might have been a Japanese channel, but not sure.
 
LivewiresXe

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Minato said:
Do you not read my posts? I posted how to beat it yesterday. XD
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I read your posts, yeah, it's just I forgot the name of the actual move and that that was her DP, so I thought you were referring to something else entirely and spent the whole time reading the post thinking her DP was her throw. :urg:
 
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