Persona 4 Arena Ultimax: Out in NA, It's Time You Burn That Dread

[LivewiresXe]

Gotta admit, I thought he was gonna link a whole other song entirely.

 

[Jam Stunna]

I would have loved to have this song as a BGM:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=olccNPVMRIE

 

[Rutger]

There are so many tracks I would like to have in this game, but a selectable I'll Face Myself(Battle) is at the top of that list.

 

[Umby]

I think everyone was expecting "I'll Face Myself(Battle)" for mirror matches. I got my Heartful Cry (albeit a remix) so I'm satisfied.

 

[sakuraZaKi]

This is obv. the best song in the game, *snicker*

http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=OsQLWgah-Ec&

DODODODODODODODODODO

 

[LivewiresXe]

So, who wants to kick my butt and get some free wins tonight?

 

[Umby]

I could probably play for a bit.

 

[Zankoku]

Give me four hours.

 

[LivewiresXe]

Give me four hours.

Yeah, no problem. I likely wasn't going to hop on it until 8 or 9ish anyway, so that actually works out.

 

[ThreeX]

Anyone want to run some games? Akihiko player on xbl. G/t: iDeeejay

 

[Umby]

ggs LWX, Aisight. There'll probably be another lobby later if you guys feel like going at it some more.

 

[LivewiresXe]

Yeah, I don't know crap about the Aigis or Elizabeth matches. And for whatever reason the night just went downhill from there as the AE matches I had after didn't go well and for the first time ever I got and felt visibly upset playing it, despite surprisingly being relatively calm and enjoying the Persona games. I had some whole long spiel on what went down, the reasons behind it, and how I don't want to keep getting pissed off like this from time to time, but really, I kinda figured it wasn't helpful to anyone or constructive in this case other than admitting I put too much emphasis on winning.

 

[Zankoku]

I'm actually surprised I'm still functional this time of night running on 1 hour of sleep and probably half a gallon of caffeinated drinks, but what can I say? ggs, hope to be able to get some more games in next time.

 

[Umby]

I can offer my *insight* into the matchup if you want.

edit: Aisight, I need to get in a good set against you later so I can get some more recordings up.

 

[LivewiresXe]

Yeah, GGs regardless. Though amusingly enough, that Aigis I invited in was someone I didn't even know PLAYED Aigis since the other times I played him he was I think Narukami or Shabrys, lol.

 

[Lythium]

Elizabeth isn't so bad once you get some experience playing against her.

 

[LivewiresXe]

Yeah, I can get that. Aigis however, despite her flight having a meter, just seems like "Hey, I'm going to fly around with bullets and missiles everywhere and a Persona that has a shield so you can't hit it making it so you can't get in, with nothing to do about it while I do flame-flips on your head when you try" which...admittedly is a bit of a pain and kind of wears down my patience pretty quickly on trying to figure out what to do.

 

[Umby]

Yeah, GGs regardless. Though amusingly enough, that Aigis I invited in was someone I didn't even know PLAYED Aigis since the other times I played him he was I think Narukami or Shabrys, lol.

That was me. Yeah, I normally played Yu. Currently learning Aigis.

 

[LivewiresXe]

That was me. Yeah, I normally played Yu. Currently learning Aigis.

Oh right. Man, I must've been out of it last night to not make THAT connection, lol.

 

[Crusayer]

Liz is still bad if it's Minato playing her /o\.

Dat 70% hp combo .-.

 

[LivewiresXe]

Speaking of Minato, does anybody who plays Narukami have any tips or advice on how to manage the Narukami/Aigis match? My matches against Umby's Aigis were different from the typical "*rage rage* Why doesn't this work when I think it should?!! I have to mash harder to make it work!! *rage*" matches I often have in P4A. This was more of a "I literally have no idea what I'm even supposed to do or where I'm supposed to begin" type thing.

 

[Umby]

Mostly just looked like you weren't aware of the properties of Aigis's moves. You hit my 5D counter from full screen with a Zio and never blocked the incoming attack from it.

If that's the case, familiarize yourself with her moveset, as a start:
http://www.dustloop.com/wiki/index.php?title=Aigis_(P4Arena)

 

[Sailor Princess Twenty-Two.]

Yooooooooo

Who wan play 2nite?

I'm on a different psn, WillNeverAmount7

 

[Zankoku]

I can offer my *insight* into the matchup if you want.

edit: Aisight, I need to get in a good set against you later so I can get some more recordings up.

Sure, am I supposed to be using Yukiko or Kanji?

 

[Umby]

Sure, am I supposed to be using Yukiko or Kanji?

Either one. I just want to get vids up for my Aigis' critique. I think I saved a couple where I won vs your Kanji last night.

 

[Minato]

My Liz is actually kinda bad. Just stolen tech from my friend. There's a lot of awesome frame traps, combos, and resets that I haven't gotten down yet that he knows. Too lazy to learn Magarudyne loops right now. I like using her though.

But Livewire, like I said before, Narukami has a pretty easy time against Elizabeth. He basically has an answer to anything that she does.

Speaking of Minato, does anybody who plays Narukami have any tips or advice on how to manage the Narukami/Aigis match?

Uh, it's one of the matches I've read and watched a lot, but not one that I have a ton of experience in.
If she's doing 2B, do not jump. Just roll and you'll be able to punish if you're close enough. If you block her DP, be careful if she waits and then cancels into super. If she does and you're not in blockstun, you can IK her if you time it right.

The matchup is in Aigis's favor. You can't play exactly how you would on some characters. Your 2B can be easily baited. Learn to Instant Block if you want to deal with her pressure better. I think she can escape your 5D oki with Orgia backdash so you'll have to get ready for that. If she doesn't have Orgia meter, definitely start going in since that's your best chance.

 

[LivewiresXe]

2B easily baitable and 5D escapable? But that's 25% of my offense!!

Out of curiousity, do you know how much it's in Aigis' favour? Like we talking a 55/45 or 6/4 thing, or a 7/3 or 8/2 thing?

 

[Umby]

Take it with a grain of salt, but I'd say close to 6-4. Even if you do go in when Aigis is in cool down, her zoning capabilities are pretty good, so if you can't pressure her when she's gotten back to around 80% Orgia or so, you're probably about to be on the defensive again. You have to inch your way in, at that point, expecting Vulcan cannons (aerial machine gun), react with evasive action to get past 2B, and take a step or two forward if you see Athena come out. But once you do get in, Aigis has a bit of a tough time, since her best tools for defense are putting them at the edge of her 5B and 2B, which is strictly anti-air. Her DP is bad as a reversal, but if she has meter and Awakening, keep an eye out for her spear super.

 

[Sion]

Speaking of Minato, does anybody who plays Narukami have any tips or advice on how to manage the Narukami/Aigis match?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLlxb-V4Sws

lol;

 

[LivewiresXe]

Take it with a grain of salt, but I'd say close to 6-4. Even if you do go in when Aigis is in cool down, her zoning capabilities are pretty good, so if you can't pressure her when she's gotten back to around 80% Orgia or so, you're probably about to be on the defensive again. You have to inch your way in, at that point, expecting Vulcan cannons (aerial machine gun), react with evasive action to get past 2B, and take a step or two forward if you see Athena come out. But once you do get in, Aigis has a bit of a tough time, since her best tools for defense are putting them at the edge of her 5B and 2B, which is strictly anti-air. Her DP is bad as a reversal, but if she has meter and Awakening, keep an eye out for her spear super.

So a match I legit have to play patiently methodically, and while constantly thinking and looking for weaknesses/slipups while constantly re-evaluating what's going on? Ah...this'll be interesting.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLlxb-V4Sws

lol;

Holy crap, GENIUS!!

 

[Zankoku]

ggs to those who I played last night. Sorry about having to pop in and out, a number of incidents kept pulling me away.

 

[Jam Stunna]

Yup, ggs everyone. I'm trying to work on my oki, but I still have a ways to go.

 

[sakuraZaKi]

Wish I joined, but I'm in total study mode for midterms, sorry guys.

Hopefully I'm not too rusty when I get back, but I do play at least one round online + training mode every few days to keep everything together.

Yesterday, I faced a Naoto that liked to DP whenever I got close after 2D. Felt good knowing what they were going to do, lol.

 

[Zankoku]

Jam, you should oki more with 5C (which is safe from stationary DPs like Kanji's and Yukiko's) and threatening movement (like jump toward airdash back, or empty crossup, or roll past). Both put far more pressure on the opponent than just sitting there and seeing if you can punish with 2B or not, and both give you further options if they choose to respect and continue blocking.

 

[Lythium]

5C is actually pretty decent oki. 5C > sweep is a true blockstring, but 5C > 214A has a gap, so it can be DPed.

Also, since most people that play with you often enough should respect your 2B by now, you can also just poke with 5C at airdash range occasionally. It should outrange or come out faster than just about everything except Mitsuru's coup, Izanagi car, Teddie's bat, and beams. It also has projectile properties so it will cancel out any non-beam projectiles.

 

[ThreeX]

Is everyone mainly on ps3?

 

[Minato]

Pretty much. The few that do have XBL rarely post here now.

 

[Jam Stunna]

Why haven't we started a Persona 4 Arena tournament that we're never going to finish?

 

[Zankoku]

I'd totally be up for that. We should also make it swiss format to make it take even more time.

 

[Crusayer]

You mean round robin for maximum amount of games rite?

:D