Path of the Gerudo King, a Ganondorf guide by TT, ver 1.21.01.00

[Vall3y]

say tipman, how do you chainthrow fox\falco?
uthrow is too laggy, works only on high % and they can escape rather easy
so.. umm maybe im doing it wrong? dhtrow maybe? =p

 

[xXx-NoobKing-xXx]

Use Dthrow at any % for fox & falco...

follow the tech as well so u can stay on their *****... this can be very annoying for the falco/fox players and is more effective on smaller stages i.e. (yoshi story, BF, etc.)

 

[Josiah]

Granted, it was against a computer, but I could chain grab Falco or Fox from around 20% up to about 100%, and then I'd just finish them off in a couple of different ways. Usually it was u-throw and then uair or bair, or d-throw again and then gerudo.

 

[Thomas Tipman]

vally the dthrow chain grab on fox/falco is good till they DI behind you, then you have a choice to either jab/tilt behind you or tech chase.

 

[AngeloBangelo]

Wow, I'm really starting to love Ganondorf. I mean, his lack of speed on the ground is more than made up for by his ranged aerials. No shieldgrab for you, n00b. Anyway, I'm playing Ganon almost as much as Falcon now, and I thought I could lend a quick hand.

I was going through your guide and your definition for the Nair is a bit weak. I've discovered that vs. my friends Luigi it's a great followup from a Dthrow since a Uair seems to get interrupted consistently when I try it vs him. Same with Jiggs. This is, of course, at very low percentage. After that I tend to use Fair, Bair, or Uair depending on DI.

Keep updating the guide. It's really helping me out.

 

[Thomas Tipman]

nair is not too good, your mistiming the uair after you attack because uair comes out 1 frame faster than nair so if youre hitting with nair and not uair theres a problem. you can use nair on someones sheild to stun them there long enough till you reach the ground or maybe at low percents nair and DI towards the opponent and hope both kicks hit for maximum damage, but over all nair isnt too good. *adds this to nair definition*

hey angelo itll be a while before i get your hitboxes since ive been training for this tourney coming up. i should get it to you hopefully by next week but you never know.

 

[DYC]

Ganon nair is so very very bad =P.

 

[AngeloBangelo]

Hmmm, and I thought for a moment that the Nair had a use...

Ok, I'll work on my Uair timing. His WD is hard as hell for me to pull off because I'm so used to Falcon's WD. I guess I just need more practice with him.

You can get me those hitboxes whenever you have spare time. No rush.

 

[Vall3y]

umm nair can be used , rarely though, when you are infront of your opponent in the air, and need to attack fast
but you shouldnt get into such situations often anyway

 

[xXx-NoobKing-xXx]

Agreed... (filler)

 

[Renth]

Hmmm, and I thought for a moment that the Nair had a use...

Ok, I'll work on my Uair timing. His WD is hard as hell for me to pull off because I'm so used to Falcon's WD. I guess I just need more practice with him.

You can get me those hitboxes whenever you have spare time. No rush.

Thing is, Ganons Nair is really useless unless you need a quick air attack that split second it's fast but not very helpful the majority of the time
It seems you like Captain Falcon his Nair is very useful if done right you can use his Nair then quickly go into a Thunder Knee of Annhilation beautiful combo hard to master

(just putting in my 2 cents)

 

[Panik]

Hey TT, I got this guide back when it was version 1. What have you changed since? I noticed you added more movies, but what else.?

 

[Thomas Tipman]

just that panik, my guide is done the only updates there will be are video updates so when you see ver 1.1 just jump on through to the video section.

 

[NJzFinest]

wow, just noticed de guide n read it. i was wonderin since triforce of power about y u havent made a guide yet. this is amazing; i love how u explain the matchups. i was getting bored of ~Shin_Ganondorf~ 's guide

 

[INVICTUS]

Fantastic stuff man - I'm beginning to get more interested in Ganon than my other two characters, so I'll be sure to bookmark this and keep at it as I progress. Huge props for the effort though man, the community owes you.

Cheers.

 

[_Snake_]

I like the video you made, nice stuff.

 

[Thomas Tipman]

in a few days i should have vids of my ganon from a local tourney in my area, vids will be on the first page like usual so look out for version 1.1.

 

[xXx-NoobKing-xXx]

Yo Tipman. Our camera guy didn't show up at our last tourney, but I have confirmed with another dude who's bringing a camera to this smash fest we're having on Saturday with B.C's best and I'll get some footage done in there with my ganon playing probably a samus, fox, falco, or marth...

 

[psykomasta]

I love Ganondorf in the game. He's my favorite character. Not only does he have the most powerful moves, but he can get back up to the top of the stage if you know how to use him (wall-hugging, dummies!!!!) I like using the combo forward B, forward B, up Y, down B, down B, spike off the stage. Try it. It really works.

 

[Thomas Tipman]

awesome n00bking let me know when you get em online, hopefully i get my vids up by today or tomorrow.

 

[Ganon_Smash86]

ever since I watched the vid you made, how to wield the triforce of power it been like wrapping my brain around a gold bar to learn all those moves. And you come out with this. Totally freakin sweet man. Time for somemore study time.

 

[Thomas Tipman]

New Vids!

i have 4 new vids of my ganon up so check em out guys, more to come later on. also i have the infamous match C.Falcon vs Ganondorf!

 

[Titan44]

Only seen the vids vs Falcon so far, but good ****. Your edge-guarding game looks flawless. U-air spike x30 ftw

Btw, I see the second Falcon match was labeled as being round 4? Was this finals or something?

 

[Thomas Tipman]

it was quarter finals.

2 NEW FILES!!

Comp vs Tipman 1
Comp vs Tipman 2

 

[xXx-NoobKing-xXx]

TIPMAN I finally gots some vids of my ganon, should I just post a link to the downloads or what?


EDIT: Also I saw your dittos' with Raffy! NICEEEEE man I think you make my ganon look scrub-ish but it doesn't suck too much **** so yehhh....

 

[Thomas Tipman]

hells yeah n00b king post em, ill put em in the guide when i get a chance, also i may have new vids next week.

 

[JFox]

Yo Tipman, your ganon is pretty. I love the mindgames, especially the use of the Waveland on those platforms. It surprises me (and the opponent) every time. I feel I too should incorporate the waveland in my play style. Very nice ganon.

 

[Falco SSBM]

Thank you

Thomas Tipman ,
Wow, first off props on the guild. I'v read the entire guild twice, and when I say I'v read the entire guild twice Im serious, and thats just the entire guild, I'v looked through the guild on certain parts several times. I was, and probably still am a smash newb and all, but this guild was gonna decide if I was gonna play wit the G-man or not and I can safelly say I entind to master Gand. Im sayin I entend to be the bes with him on this planet and I'd like to thank you and all who helped with this guild cause it opened my eyes to the awsome tri-force power in which only the G-man could posses...but anyway probs on the guild and the vidz too. The G-man will be my main from here on out and I will master him, so thanx agin for the help, I give this guild 10 outta 10 on how effective it is, also Ima make a vid wit the G-man...you mind if I put it on here?

 

[Thomas Tipman]

PM me the link of the thread when you put it up and if its good ill put it in the guide (dont take any offense, vids have to be good).

 

[NinjaFoxX]

exelent, this stuff is really helpful

 

[xXx-NoobKing-xXx]

tipman I just watched 2nd vid of u vs Mav. I must say u make the matchup LOOK to be in Ganon's favor LOL

 

[MaJiK]

nice this is gonna help me a bunch thx again
my sig isn't gay is it?

 

[TyrantX]

I LOVE Ganon. He is my truly favorite smash character. This guide ROXORS MY BOXORS!!! Keep it up.

 

[Chaotix_0]

First comment w00t! The guide isn't even up yet, but I can already tell you're just going to be like "OMFG JUST LIKE USE THE REVERSE UAIRS A LOT VS FALCON 4 TEH WINZ!" Just kidding, I'm sure it will be really good. When it's up, I'll read it and give you my thoughts.

Edit: So far it's really good. Very detailed, but not too detailed so that it's a pain to read through. It's very well organized and the seperation of colors makes it really easy to read. I also really like the moves hitboxes all displayed through Action Replay. Totally sexy. I can't wait to see the rest of the guide. Hopefully this will get stickied when it's completed.

Edit: I just wanted to say that 3:57 AM or not, I'm always willing to help out. A good smasher never sleeps... If you need anything else, I'm more than willing to lend a hand.

Hell yah sleep is for the weak-minded
Nice Guide, attention to detail never hurts, now do one fo Pika (lmao)

 

[ThatGuy]

Tipman, I want to let you know you are and always have been my idol =D. You were the one who has kept me in faith with Ganondorf, and after seeing the Triforce of Power video I can tell that eventually I will be able to whoop people just like you do!

I've been practicing everything in the video and the guide, and I can do everything except one thing (besides the infinite edgehog #2 =/)...Ledgehopped Uairs ARRGH! However, I found out how to maneuver my fingers and stuff so eventually I can get that down =).

However, while I can't do ledgehopped Uairs, I can Ledgehop Uair to edgehog like a mofo...isn't that ironic? I'm not sure if you're still having Uair edgehog woes, but this is how I do it: basically, you smash the joystick back (not tap, you want to move back) and press jump like 1 frame after (or whatever the timing is, just press is soon!) and smash the joystick forward once it has reached back (kind of like a dash dance maneuver on your joystick). Hit up on the C-stick at the same time (or 1 frame after; again, I don't know, just ASAP) and grabbing the ledge should be a piece of cake (try to think independantly, don't think "Back, jump, forward, up air", think "smash back hold forward on left, jump Uair on right". Now, I don't know if you personally will have difficulty doing this, because I hold my controller a different way than most other people: Thumb on C-stick, index finger on the A/B/Y buttons and middle finger on the Z, soo...I'm not sure if doing it the conventional method with your thumb only is too tough or not. Hope this helps though! The problem is that you move back a tad doing the Uair, so you don't spike people directly below the ledge (I think) like your ledgehopped Uair, but hey, it can set up some nice stuff.

Besides that, LONG LIVE TIPMAN! Seriously man, you deserve some much deserved props on your fantastic work on the guide/video and at bringing Ganondorf to a high level where he belongs, and I hope you continue the tradition.


Okay, that was probably a waste of reading time, because I just figured out it's easy for me to do because of the way I hold my controller, I can do jumps and Uairs at the exact same time, and now I see why it's difficult for you. Sorry to waste your time =(.

 

[Thomas Tipman]

idol? flattered, though i got over the uair ledge hop but i dont find it usfull over the ledge hop uair.

 

[ThatGuy]

Your too modest Tipman, it's you (and Shin) that have got me playing Ganondorf at the level that it deserves to be. I wouldn't know what I could've been capable of had it not been for your video. Because of you, my Uair edgeguards are more finely tuned (although they still need a bit of work on the timing aspect =/), I can platform/ledge dash (which I never would have thought of), SH double airs (never thought of that either, still needs work though...), and read some opponents better too! You rock Tipman, and you deserve all the credit that you get.

 

[Thomas Tipman]

SH double airs was actually the GERMs idea. alot of that vid was known back then (even reverse uair) i just threw it into a vid.

 

[xXx-NoobKing-xXx]

Yo tipman. Just had a tournament on saturday and some skypallers showed up. I got a best of 7 my ganon vs Sastophers Peach if you would like to add it into the guide?

and don't worry, I don't dissapoint . It's not like I beat Sas in the set though, come on, he's TOO good.

 

[FastFox]

*obtains flaming inspiration to continue playing Ganon*

HEY THNX!