Parachute Parade! - GnW Social Discussion

[SFA Smiley]

Well when it's GaW vs yoshi it feels that good cause holy **** eggs are good.

To this date I still think the hardest I've ever been ***** (as GW) by an AZ player was when I took Hadesblade to Battlefield.

Dem eggs, man...

 

[UTDZac]

People lose to Yoshi? O.O!?

 

[Deleted member 189823]

That's offensive. :E

 

[SFA Smiley]

People lose to Yoshi? O.O!?

At the time I was newer in the scene in addition to the fact that he was better than I was.

 

[UTDZac]

That's offensive. :E

But... it's G&W... <3

EDIT: Don't get me wrong. I'm roommates with Bwett and I understand a good yoshi.

 

[Vinnie]

That MU is pretty even.

 

[UTDZac]

That MU is pretty even.

If you don't use bair or UpB it's even.a

 

[Deleted member 189823]

Wow, I never would have expected it.

Though I did take out two gaws without too much trouble with Yoshi.

 

[Triforce Of Chozo]

Aside from Yoshi being hard to hit with smash attacks, I feel like G&W has the advantage is pretty much every situation. When they try to plank with eggs I just make liberal use of shield and dash attack. Eggs are still really ****ing gay though.

 

[SFA Smiley]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zxij9_cySb4&feature=relmfu

Vinnie, I'm so proud of you

you went in soo hard, and that almost 9 in the last match

I'm overcome with hope for Gdubs right now.

Really motivated to practice right now

 

[ZTD | TECHnology]

^ ****.

Can someone experienced give me the run down on teaming with a good or as please?

 

[UTDZac]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zxij9_cySb4&feature=relmfu

Vinnie, I'm so proud of you

you went in soo hard, and that almost 9 in the last match

I'm overcome with hope for Gdubs right now.

Really motivated to practice right now

That first game of GW vs MK, Nairo used UpB so many times he's insane. Also, why doesn't he tech d-throws... lololol

Why the crap are you using UpB when you can sit on stage and prevent G&W from doing anything to you? It's beyond me. He UpB more times than he ftilt o.o

I'm glad most MKs don't know how to stop G&W UpB with dair.

 

[Rizen]

Wifi lag from CO to East Canada makes Yoshi's eggs pure hell. You cannot do anything about eggs or grabs but pray.
Wolf's my best anti Yoshi character because, by some miracle, Yoshi can't CG him. Everyone CGs Wolf. G&W's trait of almost no susceptibility to being CGed is a huge plus.
/hate CGs

 

[Deleted member 189823]

Why Vinnie sold himself to ICs is beyond me.

 

[ZTD | TECHnology]

Because ICs are incredibly gay up until the point someone methodically knows the MU.

 

[Rizen]

Because ICs are incredibly gay up until the point someone methodically knows the MU.

Agree but to be fair that describes a handful of high characters :/

 

[ZTD | TECHnology]

I only truly feel that way about ICs and Olimar.

 

[Deleted member 189823]

He's too good as gaw.

 

[ZTD | TECHnology]

I have to admit, I was on the edge of my seat for the games he went against Nairo.

 

[Zano]

I facepalmed everytime he didn't tech the dthrow.

Seems he has a weakness after all

 

[ZTD | TECHnology]

I found that funny. Was he trying to? Did he not know how to or was he just nervous? That's what I wanna know.

 

[UTDZac]

He was nervous. You can tell because 1) He didn't tech dthrows, 2) used upB too often when it wasnt guaranteed, 3) didnt sit back and control the match with tilts on the third stock.

 

[SFA Smiley]

I already know all these things, doesn't change anything though, even if he tech'd we still have followups

 

[Alphicans]

"doesn't change anything" is a huge claim, and definitely a wrong one at that.

 

[SFA Smiley]

"doesn't change anything" is a huge claim, and definitely a wrong one at that.

All I'm saying is it's Nairo's fault he didn't tech. In this set he chose not or did not tech and that's his fault as a player. He messed up, choked, got nervous, but at the end of the day the result is the result. I don't say "If I didn't SD..." because I do SD and the result is the result.

I don't think that MK:GW is even, I was just saying in that set it looked even, I feel that if Nairo was less aggressive MK's advantage would've shined through. But he didn't and as such, the set looked good (for us)

And yeah I guess it IS a bit too much of me to assume that had he tech'd or not it wouldn't have mattered. But I know that Vinnie is a strong reader and that GW has even more devastating followups out of the tech than Fsmash (which was the most common one), so I based it on those principles, unless there's a factor i'm not considering?

 

[Deleted member 189823]

This is for Rizen:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzetEQD9Ylo&feature=youtu.be

Anyone can watch it, tho.

 

[Rizen]

Nice I never really thought about the Bowser/MK MU before. Lol at 2 KO, Bowser goes into his 'sitting position' like Mario 3 and MK rockets up to his death before Bowser actually falls. MK special attacked too high a few times. It looks like an interesting MU that's heavily MK trying to space a little farther/grab/special to punish and Bowser playing a similar game but more defensive and in a very different way.

 

[Splice]

good stuff vinnie
makes me want to GnW again

inspiring

 

[ZTD | TECHnology]

So yesterday, I learned that ****** with is incredibly satisfying.

And that is equally as fun to beat.

I also learned my playstyle is really effective with .

I'm just super patient and just poke and fee my way around until I see a surefire advantage...then I take my momentum and just run wth it. And then combos start happening and then...stocks. Its SOOOO fun to just "go in" on people. I love playing a character that doesn't sink like an anchor in the air.

I love this character.

 

[-LzR-]

And then you realize he is bad

 

[Rizen]

G&W feels very satisfying when you make a good read or string attacks right

 

[Deleted member 189823]

And then you realize he is bad

Get over your infatuation over MK.

 

[ZTD | TECHnology]

He's bad when you compare him to top tier sure lol.

But he's solid. I tend to gravitate towards characters who aren't the best anyway. Its more fun that way.

 

[-LzR-]

His ground game is kinda bad though most of the time and it feels awkward to me. He is still awesome but I suck terribly with him.

 

[Deleted member 189823]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MElxr9f3AE&feature=youtu.be

From the guy who he would 3-stock me.

 

[ZTD | TECHnology]

His ground game isn't terrible, just limited and semi situational. You can do stuff with this character. Its just about being creative and taking an overall straightforward game plan and running with its strengths as far as you can.

Like Hylian said years ago: Don't change the way the character is played but just get better and maximize his strengths while limiting his weaknesses. Its EXACTLY the same concept as playing Dedede. That's why I know I can play this character.

Playing certain characters and growing with them for long periods of time, cultivate certain traits and strengths as well as weaknesses in players. As a result, your perspective of how the game operates may also very from other players who play a character with vastly different mechanics. Being a user is pretty "different" and as a result, doesn't work for everyone. Why do you think there's so few of us? It takes a certain kind of player to really bring the best out of characters like that.

What do all the great s have in common? They're smart. Not just Brawl smart but SMART. You're playing with a character that's extremely light and while kills extremely early, has difficulty getting those kills. And thus, you have to constantly maintain the balance in mindset of reducing your punishment (less room for error than most characters) while finding ways to trap your opponent and make these moves land. Its actually very difficult.

Lastly, you have to stay positive and keep a "can do" attitude. It essential for a character like this. This ain't . And it will never be. Who cares? is the **** and has some great tools. Who cares if he's limited?

 

[MEOW1337KITTEH]

His ground game isn't terrible, just limited and semi situational. You can do stuff with this character. Its just about being creative and taking an overall straightforward game plan and running with its strengths as far as you can.

Like Hylian said years ago: Don't change the way the character is played but just get better and maximize his strengths while limiting his weaknesses. Its EXACTLY the same concept as playing Dedede. That's why I know I can play this character.

Playing certain characters and growing with them for long periods of time, cultivate certain traits and strengths as well as weaknesses in players. As a result, your perspective of how the game operates may also very from other players who play a character with vastly different mechanics. Being a user is pretty "different" and as a result, doesn't work for everyone. Why do you think there's so few of us? It takes a certain kind of player to really bring the best out of characters like that.

What do all the great s have in common? They're smart. Not just Brawl smart but SMART. You're playing with a character that's extremely light and while kills extremely early, has difficulty getting those kills. And thus, you have to constantly maintain the balance in mindset of reducing your punishment (less room for error than most characters) while finding ways to trap your opponent and make these moves land. Its actually very difficult.

Lastly, you have to stay positive and keep a "can do" attitude. It essential for a character like this. This ain't . And it will never be. Who cares? is the **** and has some great tools. Who cares if he's limited?

I teared up a little.

 

[SFA Smiley]

His ground game isn't terrible, just limited and semi situational. You can do stuff with this character. Its just about being creative and taking an overall straightforward game plan and running with its strengths as far as you can.

Like Hylian said years ago: Don't change the way the character is played but just get better and maximize his strengths while limiting his weaknesses. Its EXACTLY the same concept as playing Dedede. That's why I know I can play this character.

Playing certain characters and growing with them for long periods of time, cultivate certain traits and strengths as well as weaknesses in players. As a result, your perspective of how the game operates may also very from other players who play a character with vastly different mechanics. Being a user is pretty "different" and as a result, doesn't work for everyone. Why do you think there's so few of us? It takes a certain kind of player to really bring the best out of characters like that.

What do all the great s have in common? They're smart. Not just Brawl smart but SMART. You're playing with a character that's extremely light and while kills extremely early, has difficulty getting those kills. And thus, you have to constantly maintain the balance in mindset of reducing your punishment (less room for error than most characters) while finding ways to trap your opponent and make these moves land. Its actually very difficult.

Lastly, you have to stay positive and keep a "can do" attitude. It essential for a character like this. This ain't . And it will never be. Who cares? is the **** and has some great tools. Who cares if he's limited?

Beautiful.

I summon Fuujin to grace us with a .gif worthy of this post

 

[-LzR-]

I guess I am not smart then.

 

[Rizen]

Stuff

I teared up a little.

Beautiful.

I summon Fuujin to grace us with a .gif worthy of this post

Lol @ replies.

G&W's Dash attack, grab/Dthrow game and Dtilt are good ground moves, better than average. His smashes are situational to punishes/reads mostly. The important thing is his ground game supports his main air game (& grab game), which is what it needs to do.
"Why do you think there's so few of us?" -high tiers. /jk ...sort of

G&W's 'Get out of jail free' is amazing. Most characters have AT LEAST 1 major weakness that shuts them down. For some it's CGs, trouble KOing, can't recover, etc. G&W has has great traits, he often lives a long time despite being light because bucket braking and his great recovery, but when a character does shut his game down he has little to fall back on. High tiers are high tiers because they have effective ways to shut down other characters and other things.

Link has bad traits and less-than-effective tools but he does have tools to work with. Ganon has an incredible game in several ways but he has nothing to fall back on (and is easily shut down); G&W is like a much better version of this but has a similar overall problem. At least G&W does have a great escape game and resetting a situation is a great tool in its self.