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There have been some discussions years ago but I don't bother to find them. But really, if only the master sword can even damage you then you really are unbeatable...
 

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There have been some discussions years ago but I don't bother to find them. But really, if only the master sword can even damage you then you really are unbeatable...
Good point
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=qo7swaBoi7g#t=47s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Bx0Yfg6EasQ#t=8s
but why would Ganon be highest?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=956eOh1V3Bs#t=469s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Bx0Yfg6EasQ#t=240s
Link has also proven he can bounce back missiles in the Laynayru Mines.
 

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Well Link is certainly skilled with his own triforce stuff, but he isn't invincible. He has a great MU with Ganon though. The only person in the world to be able to beat ganon.
 

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The Triforce characters are legends that reincarnate in an eternal conflict which could mean Ganon/Link/Zelda are all equal in god tier but with different expressions of their power but Ganon is the most immediately powerful. He, as the bad guy, triggers events too.
I think Wind Waker Link wasn't the reincarnation of the hero of time (from what I've heard, I never play it far) so Ganon's been defeated by at least 2 different Links. In several Zelda games the master sword isn't needed to beat Ganon, (LoZ1, Oracle of Seasons/Ages, 4 Swords Adventures).
With Zelda characters it depends on how you follow the 'legends' for their power.

It's all hypothetical anyway. There are elements like 'Ganon's never been shot with phazon so it might kill/corrupt him'. It is interesting how different people's list can be. Some characters are more agreeably ranked than others.
 

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There are pretty much a different Link in almost every game anyways. IIRC the WW Link was not a chosen hero but he just did it anyways, with the Master Sword.
Also not even the Master Sword can really kill him, as you see he is most of the time just sealed away. He died in TP because the Triforce of power left him.
 

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^Spoiler alert?
Sorry, but I don't think you can spoil games that are over 5 years old on a nintendo game forum. If I did spoil something important to you, then I am deeply sorry, I hate spoilers myself. Perhaps I am just too used to the Zelda boards where everyone knows everything.
 
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Oh, c'mon. God tier? Really? I see Ganondorf there. But Link and Zelda? Link isn't that strong. Zelda doesn't even fight. I didn't put Ganondorf up there personally because I was worried that Ness would destroy him (Ness is very strong, PK-wise).
 

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Oh yeah Ness and Lucas own. Totally forgot about them.
Though prayers won't be helpful against Ganon... :awesome:
 
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Oh yeah Ness and Lucas own. Totally forgot about them.
Though prayers won't be helpful against Ganon... :awesome:
I don't disagree. But have you played the Mother games? At least a bit? (I didn't beat the 2nd and 3rd, but I have an idea of how destructive Ness and Lucas' powers are)
 

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I have beat both Mother 2 and 3 and they were amazing games. One of my favorite series.

Oh and Wind Waker got nothing when compared to MM or TP. Those 2 are godlike games and I don't want that OoT bias here.
 

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But OoT is da bes bcuz 3DS iz kool.

But of everything to be god tier, I've gotta say Mewtwo. He has no true counters, at all. don't say masterball, he made Ash catch himself once, get on his level.

A -3 matchup against link = top at most.
 

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I see Ganondorf there. But Link and Zelda? Link isn't that strong.
Link is THE strongest:smirk:.

Oh and Wind Waker got nothing when compared to MM or TP. Those 2 are godlike games
I agree with this IMO.
I think, considering when it was made, MM is the deepest Zelda with the most potential.
Some people didn't like the 3 days thing but that part could be left out if a new Zelda was made with MM as its foundation. MM's dungeons were some of the best in the series. Even TP and SS didn't challenge me like MM. OoT Master Quest had weird, challenging dungeon twists but puzzles were thrown together sloppy. It's a bonus game so I can't complain. MM's last 3 dungeons were incredibly well designed. The Great Bay Temple is my all time favorite dungeon.
This is my style for Zelda games:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iD2lmN3RdEA
(who's the strongest? Samus needs a powersuit to fight things like Gohma)
 

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Other than tier lists, matchup charts, and interviews, what does the BBR do? I'm thinking about applying, but I don't want to apply for something without knowing everything about it.

I'll definitely apply next year, I just want to understand it a bit more.
 
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Link is THE strongest:smirk:.
Link isn't strong, he just has a ton of equipment at his disposal (which isn't fair, because even Snake is limited to what he can carry) and some level of intelligence and maybe even luck on his side. Ganondorf is sheer power.

Ike would beat him.
 

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Link isn't strong, he just has a ton of equipment at his disposal (which isn't fair, because even Snake is limited to what he can carry) and some level of intelligence and maybe even luck on his side. Ganondorf is sheer power.

Ike would beat him.
I was referring to this post
Link is very physically strong too. He throws goats and Gorons aside and lifts huge ancient stone doors. A knight's armor in real life can weigh 100lbs; Link is flipping and climbing with a metal shield, chain mail and all his stuff. What you phrased 'a ton of equipment', lol. This is without the power glove/gold gauntlets. With them he can throw giant stone pillars that are marked properally.
Link is limited to what he can carry even with the 'hammerspace' power most characters have (most notably his wallet's limited:glare:). Where does Samus store her missiles, snake's weapons, how can Yoshi/Kirby etc swallow things bigger than they are? -It's all because the magical hammerspace in video games. It's fair.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hammerspace
Ganon fights with weapons pulled from hammerspace (trident/sword(s) ) too. Link always wins because he had the eye of the tiger to dungeon bust, find ancient tools and sharpen his edge while Ganon was j- ...enjoying tea and biscuits in his castle.
Link is smart too, he beat the Water temple:awesome:. And luck is for RPG characters;).
Max repels used in hunt for a water stone: 64

Water stones acquired: 0
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I was referring to this post

Link is very physically strong too. He throws goats and Gorons aside and lifts huge ancient stone doors. A knight's armor in real life can weigh 100lbs; Link is flipping and climbing with a metal shield, chain mail and all his stuff. What you phrased 'a ton of equipment', lol. This is without the power glove/gold gauntlets. With them he can throw giant stone pillars that are marked properally.
The thing is, Ganondorf is stronger. He broke out of being chained. He's a monster. He's also pretty intelligent and has magical powers to aid him. And what Link is wearing is honestly pretty light, not taking into accoun his shield, which he doesn't wear- It's also kind of small, honestly.

Link is limited to what he can carry even with the 'hammerspace' power most characters have (most notably his wallet's limited:glare:). Where does Samus store her missiles, snake's weapons, how can Yoshi/Kirby etc swallow things bigger than they are? -It's all because the magical hammerspace in video games. It's fair.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hammerspace
Ganon fights with weapons pulled from hammerspace (trident/sword(s) ) too. Link always wins because he had the eye of the tiger to dungeon bust, find ancient tools and sharpen his edge while Ganon was j- ...enjoying tea and biscuits in his castle.
Link is smart too, he beat the Water temple:awesome:. And luck is for RPG characters;).

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So that's what "hammerspace" is. 8E
And yeah, glad Link isn't an RPG character.
 

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I think I can set a world record for worst luck.

I just got swept by a Miltank in the Battle Subway due to 3 crits. IN A ROW.
 

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sry, bad luck sucks :(

<--sick, jury duty notice, Mom's friend's car got totaled (thank god no injuries) /bad 48hours :/
Ganon is physical stronger for sure. Link isn't weak either though; he's not as strong literally. When his shield isn't on his arm it's carried on his back. Link is the faster, more resourceful fighter.
Metaphorically, Link is the strongest. Link beats Ganon's armies and every challenge thrown at him. Zelda's usually somewhere on the sidelines. But since all 3 Triforce bearers are locked in a struggle that spans different generations and eras, the 3 Triforces seem to be equal but different.
 

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Dang, that sucks man. Sickness always sucks, car crashes are the worst..

Link beat Ganon when he had 2 of the triforce parts in OoT, so Link's courage part is much more effective than the other two. So therefore, Ganondorf is just high tier. However, Ganon (beast) is a beast (top tier).
 

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They are exports, and it's because I put the next one up after the former dies, but then they became more active again.
 

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So:

On a scale of 1 to 10 with 10 being the highest:

How "gay" do you think a defensive planking :gw: (with a 50 LGL) can play?'

This question is for everyone.

The reason I ask is because I've been told my :gw: is pretty patient but I haven't been actively planking or playing very gay. I DO have a naturally defensive playstyle that involves a lot of waiting and feeling out the opponent with movements. But I'm wondering how effective a "gay" playstyle can be with him. I know it's MU dependent but I just want to know from you guys' views. Every :gw: I have ever played was aggressive so I've never really seen it firsthand.
 

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He's the second best planker under MK. A combination of nairs and uairs can really create a gay scenario, but I've never seen the use of planking unless the opponent is waiting at the edge. To me, all it is is just a way to get the other guy to give some space and let you back on the stage. Planking can only do so much.

You can plank in a very gay way, I just don't see the point in doing it...
 

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Happy birthday Patches :)
^Ditto:bee:
So:

On a scale of 1 to 10 with 10 being the highest:

How "gay" do you think a defensive planking :gw: (with a 50 LGL) can play?'

This question is for everyone.

The reason I ask is because I've been told my :gw: is pretty patient but I haven't been actively planking or playing very gay. I DO have a naturally defensive playstyle that involves a lot of waiting and feeling out the opponent with movements. But I'm wondering how effective a "gay" playstyle can be with him. I know it's MU dependent but I just want to know from you guys' views. Every :gw: I have ever played was aggressive so I've never really seen it firsthand.
If Yoshi's planking is a 9 or 10 overall, most annoying in the game imo, G&W is 6 or 7 overall.
It depends on what character is playing vs him. Aside from using up ledge grabs fast, Yoshi's eggs are perfect for planking. But if I didn't have a way to force plankers up like Link's projectiles, etc then MK would be the worst (6 extra jumps, Uair etc). MK's insane priority 'nado gives him a great way to safely reset the situation if needed. G&W is like a worse MK in terms of planking tools but still a royal pain if the anti-planker lacks the tools to force him up. If I went Link or Charizard or anyone who can play that game then G&W's planking would not be bad, Yoshi/ROB/(good projectile planker)'s would be worse. But for characters who are behind and can't force G&W to stop without approaching, he's bad news, maybe an 8.
 
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Please elaborate on how Yoshi's planking is that good. I feel ashamed of myself as a Yoshi main not knowing that,
 
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