Palutena Support Thread

[Pieman0920]

KO TIME!!!

Let's see, Mewtwo? How is that an all powerful god? Hes a clone of a demi-god-type-thing.

You wanna know what my point is for Palutena only sending weapons...? That's just it; If all she can do in the games is send weapons and get captured, think of how much fun she'll be as a fighter!

Moveset: Post a good moveset for her and we'll debate this. But you're right about one part, I did word that wrong. It's not that Zelda has it taken up, just that it'd be impossible to make a moveset for a magic user who doesnt do anything. And I'm guessing the sigh is because you can't think of a good argument?

Then, pray tell, give me a reason why Palutena WILL be in Brawl.

Now I'm not particularly advocating her to be in Brawl, just that it's completely possible.

Mewtwo is a even more powerful version of Mew, a legendary Pokemon, which in that world, act on the same level as what Palutena is.

This brings me to the second point. If she's so all powerful, then why does she get kidnapped? Whoever capturing her would have to be even stronger, and Pit would be even stronger than them, seeing as he beats them. Now Pit's in the game, so that's that.

Now Peach and Zelda never showed much of anything before being in Melee. They got captured, and that's about it. They were given moves though. And since you keep on going about how Palutena is a goddess, then she could be given magical powers just the same. I don't know Kid Icarus well, but she could use variations of the items Pit doesn't have in this game. She could also use a style of combat with a staff and shield, just like in that old picture.

She could be in Brawl do to the fact that she is female. She also would be another representative to the KI franchise.

Now I must remind you that I don't think she will be in, but my reasons are different from yours, which don't make sense.

 

[PitIcarus]

Now I'm not particularly advocating her to be in Brawl, just that it's completely possible.

Mewtwo is a even more powerful version of Mew, a legendary Pokemon, which in that world, act on the same level as what Palutena is.

This brings me to the second point. If she's so all powerful, then why does she get kidnapped? Whoever capturing her would have to be even stronger, and Pit would be even stronger than them, seeing as he beats them. Now Pit's in the game, so that's that.

Now Peach and Zelda never showed much of anything before being in Melee. They got captured, and that's about it. They were given moves though. And since you keep on going about how Palutena is a goddess, then she could be given magical powers just the same. I don't know Kid Icarus well, but she could use variations of the items Pit doesn't have in this game. She could also use a style of combat with a staff and shield, just like in that old picture.

She could be in Brawl do to the fact that she is female. She also would be another representative to the KI franchise.

Now I must remind you that I don't think she will be in, but my reasons are different from yours, which don't make sense.

No, No, No, No and No.

Please read up on the Kid Icarus story before making assumptions on the story. And you are comparing a Legendary Pokemon to a character in a story whom is the Goddess of Light. The only reason Pit is able to defeat Medusa is because Palutena helps him out while imprisoned.

Pit is her servant. That would make it kind of dumb to see them fighting against or together in brawl.

 

[Jackal478]

Uhh...I wonder if anybody noticed that Palut is transparent.

that may help or kill the discussion. im adding that in.

 

[Jackal478]

And vagrant.

Ganondorf is like the god of evil so yeah...dont go saying Palutena cant be in becuase shes a goddess.

 

[RyuDragonKing]

Okay, good to see somone with reasons.

Mew Debate: I've been a fan of Pokemon for years so I can safely say this: Mew isnt a god. The Pokemon God is Arceus.

She gets kidnapped because her power is not used for direct battle-she states this in the first game, when you save her. Pit can beat Medusa-A goddess who's powers ARE used for direct battle, by the way-because Palutena sends him weapons. That is literally ALL she can do. She states this herself.

Zelda used magic powers used by Link in OoT, and used her ninja skizlz, also from OoT. Peach was a character in several of the earlier Mario games-She used most of those exact moves, such as pulling the turnips from the ground and throwing them. The umbrella was used in Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars as her primary weapon.

I can't argue with you there, thats a good point.

Some of my reasons make sense to me, but not to you. And I'm not AGAINST Palutena being in Brawl, but I dont think she'll be in either.

Oh, and one more thing: It's good to see someone with a real bona fide opinion, instead of someone flaming with no good reason.

 

[Pieman0920]

It may be true that Pit needs Palueta's help, but she's still imprisoned, and he breaks her out.


And Mewtwo's pretty darn powerful by most accounts, what with the mind control/super telekenisis. And plus, other characters can make the same claim about them being to overpwoered. Kirby can punch a planet in two pieces, but he's still in.

EDIT: In the litteral sence, Arcueus is God of that world as he created it. The legendaries are more along the line of gods and goddess of say Greek Mythology.

Sheik didn't show anything remotly ninja-ish outside of that smoke ball vannish. And the turnips was something everyone could do. And I could have sworn it was the frying pan, although I think there were other weapons.

 

[PitIcarus]

And vagrant.

Ganondorf is like the god of evil so yeah...don't go saying Palutena cant be in because shes a goddess.

1) Someone already mentioned her being transparent. She IS transparent because that is just how she is as a Goddess.

And Ganondorf isn't the God of anything. He was just endowed with one third of the powers of the triforce. He isn't anymore a god than Link.

And Palutena was imprisoned by another Goddess. Then gives her powers to Pit so he can save her.

PIT = Palutena's SERVANT.

 

[ClarkJables]

well it looks like shes in based off the trailer, whether or not shes PC is highly debateable

 

[Pieman0920]

Hmm. She is transperant. I didn't notice that. o_o

 

[PitIcarus]

I am loving this. All of these people not familiar with the character or series trying to debate.

 

[Black/Light]

KO TIME!!!

Let's see, Mewtwo? How is that an all powerful god? Hes a clone of a demi-god-type-thing. (. . .It's one of the STRONGEST pokemon in the game)

You wanna know what my point is for Palutena only sending weapons...? That's just it; If all she can do in the games is send weapons and get captured, think of how much fun she'll be as a fighter! (What did Zelda do before melee?)

Moveset: Post a good moveset for her and we'll debate this. (WTF will me making a move-set do?) But you're right about one part, I did word that wrong. It's not that Zelda has it taken up, just that it'd be impossible to make a moveset for a magic user who doesnt do anything. (. . .Like it's impossible to make a move-set for a race car driver or even a woman who gets taken by Ganon every game right?) And I'm guessing the sigh is because you can't think of a good argument? (No, it's because I see that your nothing more than a newb. Most of your kinddon't make any sense and bring down topics with BS like this)
Then, pray tell, give me a reason why Palutena WILL be in Brawl. (Because Sakurai wants her in brawl. Thats the only reason anyone gets in. . .if she got in than that would be why)

Good Goddess these noobs make no sense. . .

 

[Emblem Lord]

I would be very pissed off at Sakurai if Palutena was playable and Marth and Sigurd weren't even in the game.

 

[Ben the ultimate]

It' s possible but for now we will have to wait until an update of her comes up.

 

[PitIcarus]

Palutena will not be in Super Smash Bros Brawl as a playable character. And anyone who wants to debate otherwise feel free to write down my user name. So when you realize you were wrong you can send me a PM and tell me how GODLIKE I am.

There isn't enough sake in Japan to convince Sakurai to put in a character who is 100% pacifist.

 

[WarxePB]

As stated, Pit is a servant of Palutena, so it's unlikely that he would want to fight against her. So what if it's a Modea impersonating Palutena to make sure Pit stops meddling in whatever they're attempting to do?

There's plenty of other options other than "it's Palutena's arm! She'll be playable!" I personally agree that she's just a storyline character. Maybe, MAYBE an Assist Trophy. But nothing more.

There's plenty of other good reasons that she won't be in - as stated (was it in this thread?), she would take up a spot for a potentially better player, such as Lucario or Midna. And I can't imagine a good moveset that isn't a direct takeoff of Zelda (or even Midna) - she has a shield and staff, sure, but what does that make her? Essentially Link without any physical power. And again, if she was essentially a combination of Link and Zelda (shield and staff for A, magic for B), she would have to be toned down to the point that she would be useless.

I'd say the chances are... 70% of her being a storyline character, 28% appearing as an Assist Trophy/environmental hazard in Angel Land, and 2% of her being playable. The ONLY chance of her being playable is if they're planning an epic-scale Kid Icarus sequel/remake (like they did with Roy in SSBM), and we probably would've heard of that already.

 

[PitIcarus]

As stated, Pit is a servant of Palutena, so it's unlikely that he would want to fight against her. So what if it's a Modea impersonating Palutena to make sure Pit stops meddling in whatever they're attempting to do?

There's plenty of other options other than "it's Palutena's arm! She'll be playable!" I personally agree that she's just a storyline character. Maybe, MAYBE an Assist Trophy. But nothing more.

There's plenty of other good reasons that she won't be in - as stated (was it in this thread?), she would take up a spot for a potentially better player, such as Lucario or Midna. And I can't imagine a good moveset that isn't a direct takeoff of Zelda (or even Midna) - she has a shield and staff, sure, but what does that make her? Essentially Link without any physical power. And again, if she was essentially a combination of Link and Zelda (shield and staff for A, magic for B), she would have to be toned down to the point that she would be useless.

I'd say the chances are... 70% of her being a storyline character, 28% appearing as an Assist Trophy/environmental hazard in Angel Land, and 2% of her being playable. The ONLY chance of her being playable is if they're planning an epic-scale Kid Icarus sequel/remake (like they did with Roy in SSBM), and we probably would've heard of that already.

I agree with everything except the Modea part.

Palutena is literally a virtually unknown character. The only reason why people are talking about her at all right now is because they saw a screen shot and hit up wikipedia. So I doubt they would have a Modea impersonate a character noone would even recognize in the first place.

 

[Pieman0920]

I'm pretty sure it's 100% that she's a storyline character...what with her being right there. (Unless your definition is diffrent)

 

[PitIcarus]

I'm pretty sure it's 100% that she's a storyline character...what with her being right there. (Unless your definition is diffrent)

Storyline character = character who is not playable but there for story.

Which is all she will be. They need to have some sort of a back story for each characters single player.

 

[Pit 42]

Storyline character = character who is not playable but there for story.

Which is all she will be. They need to have some sort of a back story for each characters single player.

I think you're right, they wouldn't make her a playable character. That would be weird.

 

[RyuDragonKing]

It may be true that Pit needs Palueta's help, but she's still imprisoned, and he breaks her out.


And Mewtwo's pretty darn powerful by most accounts, what with the mind control/super telekenisis. And plus, other characters can make the same claim about them being to overpwoered. Kirby can punch a planet in two pieces, but he's still in.

EDIT: In the litteral sence, Arcueus is God of that world as he created it. The legendaries are more along the line of gods and goddess of say Greek Mythology.

Sheik didn't show anything remotly ninja-ish outside of that smoke ball vannish. And the turnips was something everyone could do. And I could have sworn it was the frying pan, although I think there were other weapons.

Ok, you got me on the first two, but there's still one thing: How would they make a moveset for a girl whos powers dont allow her to fight? You got me on Shiek, too, but it was easy to make a moveset for a ninja. As for the Palutena-Arceus relationship, Kid Icarus IS based off Greek Mythology. Not trying to offend, but do you know the Icarus legend? Mewtwo doesnt fit in as a god, in all honesty.

You're smart, I'll admit it. It's more fun having a debate with someone who actually has a valid argument than one who just says "You're a n00b so theres no point in arguing with u!!!"
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Oh, and Black/Light... Try actually playing some video games before you try to argue with me. The reason I said make a moveset is so I can see what kind of moves you imagine for her. What she'll be able to do, and stuff like that.

 

[PitIcarus]

Ok, you got me on the first two, but there's still one thing: How would they make a moveset for a girl whos powers dont allow her to fight? You got me on Shiek, too, but it was easy to make a moveset for a ninja. As for the Palutena-Arceus relationship, Kid Icarus IS based off Greek Mythology. Not trying to offend, but do you know the Icarus legend? Mewtwo doesnt fit in as a god, in all honesty.

You're smart, I'll admit it. It's more fun having a debate with someone who actually has a valid argument than one who just says "You're a n00b so theres no point in arguing with u!!!"
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Oh, and Black/Light... Try actually playing some video games before you try to argue with me. The reason I said make a moveset is so I can see what kind of moves you imagine for her. What she'll be able to do, and stuff like that.

You realize you just gave props to someone whom you didn't quote right? It looks like you told pieman he is right, and then told him he is wrong..

 

[SFan414]

RyuDragonKing has a point. How can they make a non-fighting character into a playable?

 

[VA]

Ok I've changed the title of this thread, so if you don't have supportive views about Palutena for Brawl, don't bother posting.

 

[RyuDragonKing]

Hes right about some things, and wrong about others. This is all opinion anyway, right?


Edit: Ok, Vanity. Adios.

 

[Doggalina]

Pardon my stupidity,but who is the Runaway Five?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVEJaqZPLXk
A band in Earthbound.

EDIT: More: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0wd3tbMU8I&mode=related&search=

 

[Pieman0920]

Ok, you got me on the first two, but there's still one thing: How would they make a moveset for a girl whos powers dont allow her to fight? You got me on Shiek, too, but it was easy to make a moveset for a ninja. As for the Palutena-Arceus relationship, Kid Icarus IS based off Greek Mythology. Not trying to offend, but do you know the Icarus legend? Mewtwo doesnt fit in as a god, in all honesty.

I know the Icarus legend, and it has nothing to do with gods or goddesses. And Mewtwo fits in, when it comes to Greek gods, but then again, his powers are very diffrent from anything in those old myths.

 

[PitIcarus]

I know the Icarus legend, and it has nothing to do with gods or goddesses. And Mewtwo fits in, when it comes to Greek gods, but then again, his powers are very diffrent from anything in those old myths.

What....Did you just say the Icarus legend has nothing to do with gods of goddesses?

I'm going to assume there was a typo.

 

[DonkeyPirate]

see also: I dont think I remember Mew2 being a greek god.

 

[Pieman0920]

Well of course Mewtwo's not, but in terms of power is what I mean. >_>

Oh, and at Vagrant, the Icarus myth had nothing to do with them, you do remember it right? Deedalus and his son Icerus were imprisoned by King Minos on Crete. Deadalus decided that he couldn't escape from him by sea or land, so he decided to use feathers from birds to fly away. He made two sets of wings, one for himself and one for Icarus. They made their escape into the sky, but Icarus, being so overjoyed by being able to fly, flew to close to the sun. The wax that held together his wings melted, and he fell into the sea.

No gods or goddesses.

 

[RBinator]

Ok I've changed the title of this thread, so if you don't have supportive views about Palutena for Brawl, don't bother posting.

What?! Are you saying that people ain't allowed to say why they believe a character won't get in? Only a bunch of posts saying why a character should get in is allowed? What would be the point of this topic or the whole board for this matter if debates wasn't allowed?

At best, I can see this character somehow showing up as an AT, if only because they did some work to get in them even if for storyline purposes only. However, that doesn't mean al storyline only characters will automatic become ATs. I think her chances of being playable are even worse's then what the fandom considers Waluigi's chances.

 

[PitIcarus]

Well of course Mewtwo's not, but in terms of power is what I mean. >_>

Oh, and at Vagrant, the Icarus myth had nothing to do with them, you do remember it right? Deedalus and his son Icerus were imprisoned by King Minos on Crete. Deadalus decided that he couldn't escape from him by sea or land, so he decided to use feathers from birds to fly away. He made two sets of wings, one for himself and one for Icarus. They made their escape into the sky, but Icarus, being so overjoyed by being able to fly, flew to close to the sun. The wax that held together his wings melted, and he fell into the sea.

No gods or goddesses.

Um pal...we are talking about the video game Icarus. Which includes Palutena, Medusa, and Zeus as gods. The real life story of Icarus is just some moral fable.

 

[Pieman0920]

I know, but when I mentioned the Icarus legend, you implied that it did have them. e_e

 

[PitIcarus]

I know, but when I mentioned the Icarus legend, you implied that it did have them. e_e

Well because the real story of Icarus isn't a "legend." It's just a myth. Myth and Legend are two vastly different things.

 

[Chibirobo]

Good lord,all of this stupid argument was started by an arm,dress,and a cape! This isn almost as bad as people seeing a Moblin and saying it was Sonic!

 

[PitIcarus]

Good lord,all of this stupid argument was started by an arm,dress,and a cape! This isn almost as bad as people seeing a Moblin and saying it was Sonic!

How so? The person in that screenshot was most definitely Palutena.

 

[RBinator]

You forgot to mention the hair. With all the factors going on with that screenshot, she just happpens to be the closest match to who it could be. Who else could it possibly be? This is much more solid proof then people seeing a blured motion (before the teaser shown up on the Dojo site) of a Moblin and assuming it was Sonic.

 

[Pieman0920]

Well because the real story of Icarus isn't a "legend." It's just a myth. Myth and Legend are two vastly different things.

And you thought I was calling a game a legend?

 

[Chibirobo]

How so? The person in that screenshot was most definitely Palutena.

Yeah,but you guys have been debating so much over this,and didn't see her face! I think it's kind of ridiciuoloius(sorry,I don't have spell check right now) to argue over an arm and dress,that's all.

 

[PitIcarus]

Yeah,but you guys have been debating so much over this,and didn't see her face! I think it's kind of ridiciuoloius(sorry,I don't have spell check right now) to argue over an arm and dress,that's all.

We weren't debating over who it was.

And Icarus is a "legend" in the games. There is no "legend" of Icarus outside the games. Because a legend would require Icarus to have been a real person.

 

[RBinator]

Yeah,but you guys have been debating so much over this,and didn't see her face! I think it's kind of ridiciuoloius(sorry,I don't have spell check right now) to argue over an arm and dress,that's all.

It was more then that. Again, the hair color.

"This time, though, we’ve managed to create a complete side-scrolling action game. It’s storyline isn’t overwrought—it’s hastened along by a bunch of quick movies.

*screenshots*

The Adventure mode also emphasizes character development. You’ll see many famous characters persevering under the weight of their personal histories, shouldering their unique burdens... It’s really something you won’t see anywhere else."

Also add in the factor that Pit is in that screen shot, which appears to be one of those quick movies mentioned along with the five other screenshots around it, and other information from those two paragraphs. What more proof is needed then that? If Sakurai can mind game people out of that, he's a pretty slick one.