Ottawa Ontario Canada

[arsenic41]

Oh, and lol at the guy 'running' into the thread trying to stir up things. I think I'm going to forfeit any type of response to him.

This post is epic win.

 

[Divinokage]

Metaknight and Snake have turned you people into babies.
You guys must have nightmares where those two characters beat up your mains.
Stop whining, you guys must have never played any fighting games where there are top tier characters.... Wait thats all fighting games!

Says the MK player... Since when have you become so leet and arrogant that you are to be allowed to make such comments? And ya, in EC melee, PKM could easily win tournaments with DK which was considered to be low tier, this guy could freaking **** space animals and Sheiks and everything.. see? Because the melee mechanics made it so when you did a mistake, you can get punished really ****ing hard, melee was like that a PUNISHMENT type game. I even was able to win a tournament at West Coast with only Ganon and was known as the Fox Slayer because I ***** every single one of them. And exactly, there were bottom tier legendary players that kicked everybodies ***** even Top Tier players. But then Brawl, there's just really nothing you can do vs the Top Tier, a bottom tier character will never be able to contend with Top Tier because it seems it's whoever camps and times his **** the best wins.

And I will stay Ike because he's cool, maybe one day ill get known as a legendary Ike player?? I don't know seems the match up is way too gay vs MK...

 

[eternalgamer]

Needless to say, SF4 looks pretty solid to me.

Pretty solid except for the 'Frankenstein' face they gave to Ryu.

Oh, and lol at the guy 'running' into the thread trying to stir up things. I think I'm going to forfeit any type of response to him.

Props to you bro!

 

[Retlaf]

I was actually thinking of giving in and just maining Metaknight...

Then I thought of, like, kingace, and like all that skill cancel.

Slapped some sense into myself.

 

[PND]

Don't give up the good fight! At least, not until we Jiggs ditto. Then main Metaknight all you want. And by that, I mean please don't.

 

[Runawayfire]

Says the MK player...

Actually, I play allmost exclusively Falco now...

Niko's Peach is the brawl example of your Ganondorf. He goes exclusively Peach, and came 2nd at our last tournament on sunday.
Certain characters might have less to be able to do vs Metaknight. But thats the nature of things, just a bad matchup.

You can't take a true low tier character and expect to really be able to go places though, just like in melee or any other fighting game that road is a long and hard one. Characters like Ganondorf are not exactly a low tier characters so.... yes Kage you were able to **** with him. Ike? Maybe not yet....
I'm just trying to say nothing has truly changed.... A lot of people needed a LOT of practise vs a good Fox before they could start to be able to fight back well in melee, its the same deal with Metaknight.


On an unrelated note, Niko has uploaded vids from our last tournament. You guys should check them out if you're interested.

http://www.youtube.com/user/Niko9876

 

[arsenic41]

Actually, I play allmost exclusively Falco now...

Niko's Peach is the brawl example of your Ganondorf. He goes exclusively Peach, and came 2nd at our last tournament on sunday.
Certain characters might have less to be able to do vs Metaknight. But thats the nature of things, just a bad matchup.

You can't take a true low tier character and expect to really be able to go placesthough, just like in melee or any other fighting game that road is a long and hard one. Characters like Ganondorf are not exactly a low tier characters so.... yes Kage you were able to **** with him. Ike? Maybe not yet....
I'm just trying to say nothing has truly changed.... A lot of people needed a LOT of practise vs a good Fox before they could start to be able to fight back well in melee, its the same deal with Metaknight.


On an unrelated note, Niko has uploaded vids from our last tournament. You guys should check them out if you're interested.

http://www.youtube.com/user/Niko9876

Actually you can, go ask PKM or Bum.

 

[Runawayfire]

No need, I've played them both.

If you even finish reading the sentence you'll see the part about it being a long and hard road, meaning its possible but not practical. Reading comprehension ftw.

Notice how you only mentioned two people, who really would have been good with whoever they chose to use for the most part anyways.
Don't just just look for excuses to argue with me kthx.

 

[eternalgamer]

Before the game came out I was thinking of starting off with MetaKnight, he looked cool and all. I played him for about a week before I saw that he was just another Kirby. Easy to pick up and win. Just not my cup of tea.

You sure stirred the pot Runawayfire, lol.

 

[arsenic41]

No need, I've played them both.

If you even finish reading the sentence you'll see the part about it being a long and hard road, meaning its possible but not practical. Reading comprehension ftw.

Notice how you only mentioned two people, who really would have been good with whoever they chose to use for the most part anyways.
Don't just just look for excuses to argue with me kthx.

nah...I'll actually continue looking for excuses.

but the thing is, they can be good with everyone they want to be (maybe not bum becaue I haven't played him before so I can't really say, but I'm assuming his tech skill is over 9000) but they choose to remain low tier, and two people is really all we need to send the message "tiers don exist *****es!" from there on out people will start to explore what the game's potential and that is when the tier list starts to change. And there really is alot more, but I figured PKM was the best example since he is canadian.

So until someone counters MK, I would not want to play a game where everyone good plays like KingAce (no offence to the guy, you were really cool at ToS5).

Btw...nice burn on the reading comprehension thing, got me there <3

 

[eternalgamer]

Should have taken out a bank loan to ensure yourself against any reading comprehension problems. It saddens me to see the good players turn to the dark-side when there are perfectly good characters like Bowser...

 

[Lanowen]

He goes exclusively Peach, and came 2nd at our last tournament on sunday.

I guess you've got to forfeit your standards toward tournaments, these days seems like friendlies are tournaments now!

 

[infomon]

Just because MetaSnake aren't at the top spots now doesn't mean they won't be soon. It is sadly inevitable and when the day comes I will choose not to play against any MetaSnake player.

Even if MK and Snake are at the top of the tier and/or tournament lists, I'm not convinced that they're ahead by all that much. They're overplayed, certainly, but if they're winning it's because we're letting them win, right? I suspect that if you don't enjoy a match against a MK, it's because you haven't learned how to counter his moves. Not that I have; I mean, I totally suck at Brawl; but when I watch vids of "pros", I see them make mistakes and get punished for it, and I see them miss openings. The Brawl game just hasn't developed enough yet, which I think is a nice way to say that we're all surrounded by nubs. MK and Snake pwn nubs. So let's find out how the hell to destroy their tactics and let the game move on.

Personally, I consider that challenge exciting. Then again, I still lose to CPU's .... badly, sometimes.

But every time I read these posts that "MetaSnake makes the game not fun", it pisses me off, and I turn on my Wii and practice for an hour. I know that the Ice Climbers game is vastly underdeveloped; so why waste time complaining that MK is tough? There is work to be done, and there are counters that your run-of-the-mill MK won't expect.

.... I guess I'm not adding anything new here. But just sayin'.

Pfft. That's nothing. From what I'm reading at Shoryuken.com, Street Fighter IV's Rufus is turning out to be leagues above everybody else. Now, I don't know about you guys but I'd much rather lose to Snake, Metaknight, Marth, Fox, Falco, or Shiek than to some fat, yellow, abomination of a character design.

You mean Wario? >.>

 

[arsenic41]

Go to Runawayfire's post (the one that links to Niko's youtube account) click it, watch the GrandFinals 2 KingAce (MK) Vs. Niko_K (Peach) and you'll understand what we are arguing about.

 

[IvanEva]

You mean Wario? >.>

If only that was the case:
http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/7104/14360051xo5.jpg


I'm with Runawayfire on this one. In every fighting game there are Gimpyfishes and the like who work their ***** off with their undeniably low tier character and get them to a level where they can compete with the higher ups. If Metaknight and Snake were TOO powerful, they'd be banned just like Old Sagat and Akuma. However, they're not godly, they're just the best. There's a big difference. At this Smashfest, to anybody who disagrees, I suggest taking up Snake and Metaknight for this one Smashfest and trying to own everybody with them. I'm up for some money matches against my Lucas.

 

[arsenic41]

actually, only Akuma was banned, Old Sagat was soft banned. And I can't argue with the whole "The best argument", so I'm just going to put it like this. Imagine your in a tournament where everyone used Old Sagat and the same tactics, will that be fun? probablly not, but you could find a way around that and beat them eventually. But it still doesn't change the fact that it is no longer fun.

 

[Damax]

Sonic can end up first in a tournament with forfeits!.....

you guys are missing the cons of brawl, its not necessarily snake or metaknight, its the game itself.

it resume itself about spamming your three best move all of the match at a 90% ratio. the rest is patience. that is brawl.

Ivan Eva. 1000$ money match best of 3 my marth your lucas. I'll make the trip anytime. if you decline then just shut it up.

 

[arsenic41]

Yeah...I really would not want to play a game like that.

 

[jan]

Nominating Arsenic to move Old Manondorf to the top of the tier list!

 

[KingAce]

Go to Runawayfire's post (the one that links to Niko's youtube account) click it, watch the GrandFinals 2 KingAce (MK) Vs. Niko_K (Peach) and you'll understand what we are arguing about.

Your sort of contradicting yourself, I played spammy and no skill and I lost that match. Now go watch match 5 of that grand finals set. Last match of the tourney and I didnt spam any move at all..

 

[Cbone]

Here's the thing that sort of makes me uneasy: In melee, i was a falco main and marths could counter pick falco sooo hard, but despite this i really enjoyed the match up. Even though when i got grabbed it was in the marths power to 0-death me i still found the match up exciting and fun. In brawl, i find when i get counter picked really hard, it is not as exciting, because of brawls more range and defense oriented play. So if meta knight continues to get better, i think the games amusement will decrease. Also, if people keep switching to meta knight, it will be ridiculous. In any case, here is another reason why meta knight scares me:

watch as meta knight ***** the rest of the cast: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwFYN33Pm8o

 

[arsenic41]

Your sort of contradicting yourself, I played spammy and no skill and I lost that match. Now go watch match 5 of that grand finals set. Last match of the tourney and I didnt spam any move at all..

I know, even so it was close, sorry to have mentioned you this way, but that match was a good example of what metaknights seem to be like.

Congrats at SBAN though.

 

[KirbyKaze]

Your sort of contradicting yourself, I played spammy and no skill and I lost that match. Now go watch match 5 of that grand finals set. Last match of the tourney and I didnt spam any move at all..

you won 4 and 1 that way lol

 

[KingAce]

Its cool arsenic, and thanks.
haha yeah I guess I did sort of win 4 and 1 that way but I guess playing the way in game 5 made it a lot less close than game 1 and 4 though =)

 

[flash7]

I just watched some PVK 2. Looks funny, although is it mostly melee weapons? I only saw a cross bow.

 

[Dice]

Everyone should be playing capcom games anyways, melee was awesome and brawl sucks. Now I just need a PS2 and arcade sticks...

 

[KirbyKaze]

or we could just play melee

also kingace i'm aware that mindless spam is counterable and that you did much better game 5 but tbqh most of niko's "counters" for tornado were either the toad spores or diing out of it, which leads me to believe you just need to chase better or retreat better. but what do i know.

 

[Europhoria]

Cbone come live in Toronto

 

[KirbyKaze]

ottawa is fat.

OH I TOTALLY BURNED YOU.

 

[IvanEva]

1. you guys are missing the cons of brawl, its not necessarily snake or metaknight, its the game itself.

2. it resume itself about spamming your three best move all of the match at a 90% ratio. the rest is patience. that is brawl.

3. Ivan Eva. 1000$ money match best of 3 my marth your lucas. I'll make the trip anytime. if you decline then just shut it up.

1. Says the guy who thinks that Street Fighter sucks. Yeah, in the ToS5 results thread you try saving yourself by stating that you were talking about the original and not Super Turbo. However, at ToS5 I mentioned Super Turbo was fine but you stuck with your 'no, even that sucks' stance.

2. That is every other fighting game. Fox/Falco shines and pillars, Marth's forward airs, Cable's beam of death, Yun's Geneijin super, Magneto's usual infinite combo dealie, Dan's taunts, etc. You must really hate 3D fighters if you're low on patience.

3. That's the equivalent of playing a Mewtwo against a Marth in Melee. How about my Marth against your Lucas? I'm not rich enough to wager $1000 on anything but I can go as high (or low, depending on how you see it) as $300. If you win, I'll cover the cost of your bus ride as well. If you decline than "just shut it up".

1. Even though when i got grabbed it was in the marths power to 0-death me i still found the match up exciting and fun.

2. In brawl, i find when i get counter picked really hard, it is not as exciting, because of brawls more range and defense oriented play.

3. So if meta knight continues to get better, i think the games amusement will decrease. Also, if people keep switching to meta knight, it will be ridiculous.

1. I didn't. Being 0-deathed in any game isn't fun, at least not to me. In Melee I played Roy, Ness, and Mewtwo. Getting ***** badly by Marth, Fox, Falco, and Shiek was not very fun.

2. I can see why this is the case for a lot of people. Faster games are always more exciting to both watch and play. When I first saw videos of Street Fighter IV I hated it because it seemed too slow and boring. Having looked at more videos though, I was won over again since it reminded me of the less combo-happy times of Street Fighter II. It's more about the mindgames than the overwhelming offense. Like the producer stated, he wanted to get Street Fighter back to being closer to boxing, where reading your opponent is far more valuable than ridiculous tech skill. Of course, I personally find real boxing too slow and boring to watch, so, to each their own it seems.

3. Niko's inspired me to believe that the opposite is true, that people will be getting better with the other characters, especially in how to deal with MetaSnake.

1. Everyone should be playing capcom games anyways

2. melee was awesome and brawl sucks.

3. Now I just need a PS2 and arcade sticks...

1. Yes! Definitely! I love the Smash series, and for a very short time I liked them just a bit more than I did Street Fighter, but the Capcom fighters are, and always will be, the best! If I can woo Cameron into changing Smashfest to Street Fighter fest than you should come play with us.

2. Nah, Brawl doesn't suck. It's much more entertaining with non-competitive players than Melee. Has the competitive side suffered from it? I like it, but it seems that many people don't...

3. PS2s are super cheap now but a 360 would probably be a better bet. I'm still debating with myself over getting an arcade stick or not. I got Band Brothers DX instead of an arcade stick, which I now regret.

 

[arsenic41]

To balance all the seriousness of the past posts:

1.Boingo
2.Boingo
3.assface
4.Knickers

 

[Retlaf]

I think my attitude last bi-weekly made you think I dislike brawl more than I do, Harold (but I could be mistaken).

Brawl is.... interesting, because winning counts more on taking advantage of your opponent's mess ups. You can't really overwhelm with sheet offense, because that leaves more room for you to make the mistakes, and more chances for your opponent to take advantage of them. Umm, that's how I see it anyway (spamming being a viable tactic, aside).

This isn't a bad thing. There're just times when I feel like frantic, super awesome, high-energy fighters, so I'll play Scarlet Weather Rhapsody. Other times, I'll fancy a couple mind battles, so I'll play brawl.

I'm actually in the same camp as you in that I wouldn't mind getting more competitive during bi-weeks. Next friday, I'm bringing my A-game, a new character (not metasnake), a partner known as Ben the amazing, and we plan on winning.

 

[arsenic41]

Oh yeah, about the bi-weekly, what do you think the new entry fee should be? I personally $3 for singles is fine with me, but doubles I don't really know, so think of a entry fee for doubles, and tell me if 3$ for singles is enough.

 

[eternalgamer]

HAROLD! That god aweful thing you call a post is killing us all! Don't reply to a sentence with an essay! I stopped reading a quarter of the way through.

Oh yeah, about the bi-weekly, what do you think the new entry fee should be? I personally $3 for singles is fine with me, but doubles I don't really know, so think of a entry fee for doubles, and tell me if 3$ for singles is enough.

I would prefer loosing $1 as to $3.

Nominating Arsenic to move Old Manondorf to the top of the tier list!

I'm bringing Craptain Falcon back! Well not really but it will be fun.

ottawa is fat.

Ottawa isn't fat, you're just to small to be significant, lol jk!

In the end, do you want to be known as the player who easily mained MK or the player who mained a lower tier character?

And people, stop talking about ghey SF, this is a place of Smash.

 

[Suo]

Yes! Definitely! I love the Smash series, and for a very short time I liked them just a bit more than I did Street Fighter, but the Capcom fighters are, and always will be, the best! If I can woo Cameron into changing Smashfest to Street Fighter fest than you should come play with us.

Quote'd for support. Even just Street Fighter 'on the side' would be cool, which I guess you guys have done for a week or two.

3. PS2s are super cheap now but a 360 would probably be a better bet. I'm still debating with myself over getting an arcade stick or not. I got Band Brothers DX instead of an arcade stick, which I now regret.

I'm kind of torn between 360 or PS3 at this point. My mind is telling me 360 is the overall better deal, but my heart is telling me Sony lolsss (still haven't spoiled myself for MGS4, so that kind of tips it for me too.)

 

[eternalgamer]

I'm kind of torn between 360 or PS3 at this point. My mind is telling me 360 is the overall better deal, but my heart is telling me Sony lolsss (still haven't spoiled myself for MGS4, so that kind of tips it for me too.)

You have to ask yourself this:
PS3: Play a couple good games now and wait for more good games in a couple years
360: Play a good sized library of good games now.

And if I remember the E3 conference right, Sony is nurfing backwards capability on their newer models. So watch out if you are into that. http://www.psxextreme.com/ps3-news/3426.html

 

[IvanEva]

HAROLD! That god aweful thing you call a post is killing us all! Don't reply to a sentence with an essay! I stopped reading a quarter of the way through.

You're going to hate Watchmen then. I'm lending it to you after Orlando's done with it and you're going to read it, love it, and then proclaim that it's the best book ever written. It's a long read though...

Suo: Tell me if you're ever interested in coming over and playing some Third Strike or "Hyper" SFII. I'm currently asking around on the Ottawa Shoryuken forums to see if there's any Smashfest-ish gatherings.

 

[PND]

I think $3 is good. What about $5 for doubles? It makes it a nice, even amount, and as long as teams are even it's an easily split pot.

 

[infomon]

I would prefer loosing $1 as to $3.

Yeah, what was the motivation for increasing it? I'm ok with $3 if it helps support the running of bi-weeklies, but I think it will discourage people from participating, rather than drawing new ppl in.

If people need to be bribed to want to play Brawl, then all is lost already, lol..... but I'll still be playing it for years.

 

[arsenic41]

I won't have any saying in the entry fee, I'm leaving it up to you guys since you are probablly going to be spending more time on Brawl than I am, so whatever price you guys decide on, I'm fine with that.