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Osama bin Laden is dead!
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A lot of thoughts but a strong one is that the scenes of people celebrating outside the White House and in Times Square are surreal and distasteful imo. Anti Americans celebrated the death of thousands on 9/11 and now thousands of Americans are celebrating the death of one man.
A relation to a victim of the 7/7 bombings in London said "I'm very worried about the triumphalism in America, it won't play well in the Arab states" on BBC News. He's spot on.
Is this justice as so many leaders are claiming?
Why was he buried at sea? Due to a major concern for Islamic tradition? Even for the most wanted man on earth? Why the rush? To prevent a shrine being made as some are reporting? To be seen as considerate to enemies among the Arab world?
Why was Pakistan so unaware if reportedly he was in a protected compound not far from a Pakistani base?
What of al-Zawahiri?
I'm rambling but just some of my thoughts. Most pertinently though, you can kill a person very easily, it's harder to kill an ideology.
A relation to a victim of the 7/7 bombings in London said "I'm very worried about the triumphalism in America, it won't play well in the Arab states" on BBC News. He's spot on.
Is this justice as so many leaders are claiming?
Why was he buried at sea? Due to a major concern for Islamic tradition? Even for the most wanted man on earth? Why the rush? To prevent a shrine being made as some are reporting? To be seen as considerate to enemies among the Arab world?
Why was Pakistan so unaware if reportedly he was in a protected compound not far from a Pakistani base?
What of al-Zawahiri?
I'm rambling but just some of my thoughts. Most pertinently though, you can kill a person very easily, it's harder to kill an ideology.
Neo Metal Sonic
Smash Cadet
ABOUT. DAMN. TIME!
Good work, America.
Good work, America.
I think that Americans aren't really celebrating the death of the man. They never knew who he was. They're celebrating the death of what he represented to them. It's a tempting thing to do, and I can't really blame them. But ultimately, I question the wisdom of that approach.
There are revolutions going on in Arab states right now, and all over twitter, there's been overwhelming condemnation of bin Laden's ideals and satisfaction (though not at the level as is seen in the U.S.) at his death, a sentiment also expressed by the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt.
That said, there are still elements that are sympathetic to bin Laden. I think the Arab world is divided. The opinions are diverse. One Muslim-Arab analyst said that bin Laden's death will be complicated for the Arab world. It's not all hate or all love.
Maybe. I admit I'm not sure. They could not return him to his own country, and under the tradition he had to be buried before the next day.
Pakistan was in a difficult position. Bin Laden had supporters in that country, but his organization also ordered attacks in Pakistan itself after they were pushed out of Afghanistan (they blamed the Pakistani government for helping the U.S.). The government had as many reasons to hand him to the U.S. as they had to leave him alone.
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Discuss guys
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After that they spelled it "Usama".Good Ol Team America
To be fair, that is a correct spelling of it as well. It depends on how you phonetically translate from the Arabic.
GreenKirby
Smash Master
So who's America going to make everyone's enemy next?
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Osama was old and had a large terrorist network. While this will shake them up, I don't think it will stop them at all.
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Let's celebrate a death of a human being. Yay. Stupid people nowadays. I don't think that's a motive for celebration at all. Thanks to that is why a country has probably a LOT of debts, just for boosting the morale of their "stupid" people.
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theeboredone
Smash Legend
To be honest, I think they are celebrating the death of one man. This is not a knock on the stupidity of Americans, but seeing a bunch of people launch fireworks, and blast "Proud To Be An American" while yelling at the top of their lungs just tells me they are thinking a lot of their problems are gonna go away with this guy's death. As many have said before, someone is going to take his place, and it would be foolish to think Osama does not have a successor after being chased for 10 years.
Vinylic.
Woke?
Straight up funny. But now, I'm sure al-queda and the taliban are pissed. We must be ready at all costs. Soon, security will be tighter than last time. This madness is almost over. Let's hope it won't be "Just the beginning".
People are celebrating because the orchestrator of the worst attack on US soil has gotten comeuppance. As Nino said, to the general populace, Bin Laden is very much the face of al-Qaeda and terrorism in general. Relation to the victims of 9/11 now have at least an illusion of peace and "closure" for the pain and suffering they went through on and after that day. What this has to do with our economic debt is beyond me.
I don't think most people seriously believe the war is going to suddenly end today, but it's a comforting and relieving feeling to know that one of the most absolute heinous criminals in recent history didn't simply get away scot free.
Vinylic.
Woke?
Actually....This is a perfect time for....
GreenKirby
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It's true what they say, there's always one.
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I can never decide if I respect or dislike the guy. None of us have ever met him in person, so I don't know if he was genuinely doing what he thought was best, or did it all for money and power. It makes no difference in some people's eyes, but I've always respected an honorable individual over a greedy one.
I hope you're not referring to bin Laden.
Grandeza
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I really cant see who else he could be referring to.
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Smash Lord
I tend to forget that this is a USA place.
Edit: I am not Saying that what he did isnt wrong. Because is actually one of the worst criminals in recent history.
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LT: Is just that I consider WEIRD as hell to waste a lot of money on " a comforting and relieving feeling to know that one of the most absolute heinous criminals in recent history didn't simply get away scot free." there's no economical gain there. Even though is a "morale boost" to their people idk.
Yes Green Kirby, there's always someone who doesnt think the same as you.
Edit: I am not Saying that what he did isnt wrong. Because is actually one of the worst criminals in recent history.
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LT: Is just that I consider WEIRD as hell to waste a lot of money on " a comforting and relieving feeling to know that one of the most absolute heinous criminals in recent history didn't simply get away scot free." there's no economical gain there. Even though is a "morale boost" to their people idk.
Yes Green Kirby, there's always someone who doesnt think the same as you.
What money?
edit: I misunderstood you at first, but why do you think that the government and military have spent time and money hunting him down for no reason? Do you realize what a large figure he is and has been in the fundamentalist/terrorist world? The intelligence community have not been working day in and day out for years just to "make sure he didn't get away scot free." Perhaps you should read up on the influence he's had on terror attacks (not to mention those he himself has masterminded). It's a strategic move to eliminate one of the terror movement's biggest heads, to show would-be terrorists that they should think twice, because we will get you.
Yes, somebody will "replace" him, but it will not be somebody with the same resume and profile and "likeability" (by likeability, I mean somebody that fundamentalists strongly rally behind).
edit: I misunderstood you at first, but why do you think that the government and military have spent time and money hunting him down for no reason? Do you realize what a large figure he is and has been in the fundamentalist/terrorist world? The intelligence community have not been working day in and day out for years just to "make sure he didn't get away scot free." Perhaps you should read up on the influence he's had on terror attacks (not to mention those he himself has masterminded). It's a strategic move to eliminate one of the terror movement's biggest heads, to show would-be terrorists that they should think twice, because we will get you.
Yes, somebody will "replace" him, but it will not be somebody with the same resume and profile and "likeability" (by likeability, I mean somebody that fundamentalists strongly rally behind).
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^I don't think there was no reason, of course there's a reason for it since the events that happened in 911.
Of course he's the influence of all of it since he's was obviously a "pillar" of the whole thing, but what I think is just that those people if they are not thinking on putting a stop to terrorist attacks( the whole terrorism world) they won't since they do it as they were raised to do probably.
IMO it won't happen something as BIG as 911 but small things could happen eventually.
Of course he's the influence of all of it since he's was obviously a "pillar" of the whole thing, but what I think is just that those people if they are not thinking on putting a stop to terrorist attacks( the whole terrorism world) they won't since they do it as they were raised to do probably.
IMO it won't happen something as BIG as 911 but small things could happen eventually.
Well ok, but I wasn't talking about the money spent in the process, I was talking about the general population's reaction.
Plus, Bin Laden was more than just a face for al-Qaeda. He's plotted more than just 9/11. I think trying to prevent more of these attacks is worth throwing some money towards.
That being said, I totally agree with all the other branches of our government being lowballed for the war on terror is misguided and unfortunate.
If I see any more posts saying only "now what?" I'm going to infract you.
and on a lighter note
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Mota
"The snake, knowing itself, strikes swiftly"
This is somewhat true :\
My thoughts on this are complicated. Jihadist ideology has been side-lined in the Middle East with the pro-democracy movements that have swept through the region since early this year. The people on the ground don't want jihad; they want democracy. These movements are soaking up potential Al Qaeda recruits. Without new recruits, a terrorist organization cannot keep fighting. Al Qaeda's influence is strongest in Pakistan and Afghanistan, but it is fading from the rest of the Middle East. They have also been losing fighters from their ranks as some members have gone back home to Libya or elsewhere to take part in local uprisings. This was happening before bin Laden was killed.
No doubt, his legacy will live on. But something has changed, and you're right in that this attack is not solely responsible.
What I meant by "what he represents" is that the majority of the American public doesn't have a real understanding of who bin Laden was. I should have said: "They're celebrating what they think he represents." Many people think of him as a caricature. It is the most convenient approach. That's why they can be so ecstatic. His death works like a catharsis. Rationally thinking about it, he wasn't even the one running the operation of Al Qaeda. Killing him was almost like taking out the other team's mascot during a football game. You may not have won the game, but the crowd is on its feet and cheering, so it feels like a victory.
Or Obama is playing mind games.
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GreenKirby
Smash Master
Way to miss the point.
You really think that anybody actually like ejactulated when they found out bin Laden died. They're celebrating the death of the symbolism of terrorism.
-Jumpman-
Smash Champion
This is amazing.
You have to respect a strong enemy in order to defeat them.
I mean let's face it, the dude managed to kill 3000 Americans in one day, that's no small feat, morals aside.
Was he good at what he did? Sure.
But there is nothing "respectable" about an enemy that kills thousands of innocent civilians.
But there is nothing "respectable" about an enemy that kills thousands of innocent civilians.
You respect the intelligence and organisation.
There's a difference between respect and admiration.
There's a difference between respect and admiration.
Like Teran said, I think there's a difference between respect and admiration. Truman made the decision to drop two atomic bombs on civilian targets in Japan in 1945. Many Americans still support that decision. If we have a common understanding that Truman can be considered a respectable political figure to some, it would be hypocritical to deny the same to bin Laden. American civilian lives were as inconsequential to bin Laden as Japanese civilian lives were to Truman. Both men had political objectives to fulfill, and they didn't waver from that.
The saying is that "the ends justifies the means." And it's usually the case that when the ends benefit you, you will find ways of justifying the means. When the ends don't benefit you, then it becomes a crime, but only relatively.
