Omni Needs Your Help!

[Omni]

so i've been thinking about this for an extremely long time. i decided it before Pound and it was only confirmed during Pound while watching DEHF but i'm going to be dropping MK for Falco.

please treat me well

the main reason why tho is because the EC has no powerhouse Falco's and i think Falco is an awesome character that deserves more representation. Falco's are literally non-existent in md/va. its ridiculous.

so i need you guys help. i'm fairly knowledgeable about Falco in general. i guess the best way to get help to to tell you what i know and ask questions:

i know:
- that falco can cancel his overb lag if he does it immediately off the ground.
- that falco can walk and dash cg. im not completely sure who it works on specifically but i use walk the most and dash only if i need to get closer to ledge to d-air
- that falco has a dacus. an oh so sexy dacus
- that falco can dash-attack up-smash peoples
- that his roll and sidestep are gdlk
- that falco can change the direction of his chaingrab by reverse boost pivot grabbing idk wtf its called but yea i can do that

my questions are:
1.) what are falcos best matchups (high tier)?
2.) what are falcos worst matchups (high tier)?
3.) are there any other useful techniques i should know about falco?
4.) where can i find links to specific "good falco here" vs. "good any character here" vids?

ill also report how well my Falco starts doing when is tart entering md/va tournaments and what not

 

[Denzi]

1.) 55:45 vs Snake, 50:50 vs MK (ledgegrab rule), 60:40 vs D3, 55:45 or so vs GnW, Wario and Diddy need rediscussion, And the opinion on the Marth MU varies.

2.)We get destroyed by Pika and IC's (and Kirby if you aren't careful).

3.) All the Laser stuff, Side B cancels, jab cancels, Buffered CG.

4.) Video thread, pretty much any DEHF or SK92 game.

That's about all I can think of, welcome to the Falco Boards.

 

[AvoiD]

Mm, good stuff Omni, pretty sure you'll like Falco. :]

For questions 1& 2:

Current matchup thread, were going over matchups again, but that was our last updated one, we know some has to be changed though.

3: http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=238599

The part after the description of all the attacks which shows some techniques of Falco as well as some useful links to videos.

4: http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=244052

Falco Video Thread ^

First post has the top Falco's against some well known players, and 2nd post has other Falco's, possibly having some matches against a few known players as well, but not all of them.​

 

[BetaZealot]

come on omni

lets go *****

i got you son

seeing larry play made me really good

he corrected my playstyle, so you can play mk. i'll be the falco

 

[exdia_16]

so i've been thinking about this for an extremely long time. i decided it before Pound and it was only confirmed during Pound while watching DEHF but i'm going to be dropping MK for Falco.

please treat me well

the main reason why tho is because the EC has no powerhouse Falco's and i think Falco is an awesome character that deserves more representation. Falco's are literally non-existent in md/va. its ridiculous.

so i need you guys help. i'm fairly knowledgeable about Falco in general. i guess the best way to get help to to tell you what i know and ask questions:

i know:
- that falco can cancel his overb lag if he does it immediately off the ground.
- that falco can walk and dash cg. im not completely sure who it works on specifically but i use walk the most and dash only if i need to get closer to ledge to d-air
- that falco has a dacus. an oh so sexy dacus
- that falco can dash-attack up-smash peoples
- that his roll and sidestep are gdlk
- that falco can change the direction of his chaingrab by reverse boost pivot grabbing idk wtf its called but yea i can do that

my questions are:
1.) what are falcos best matchups (high tier)?
2.) what are falcos worst matchups (high tier)?
3.) are there any other useful techniques i should know about falco?
4.) where can i find links to specific "good falco here" vs. "good any character here" vids?

ill also report how well my Falco starts doing when is tart entering md/va tournaments and what not

hello falco here live down the street from you its exdia just play me and i will guide you young one

 

[DEHF]

spot dodge is broken!!!

 

[Teran]

Gtfo my boards InfernoOmni.

Anyway you should remember some jab tricks too. The jab cancel, the double jab cancel (shield pressure win, can lead to jab > grab), and just remember that even the AAA it'self is awesome. Falco has an amazing jab, especially if you use it with his spotdodge intelligently.

Meaning don't just spotdodge a million times and jab but I know you're not ******** so I probably don't need to mention that.

 

[DEHF]

Falco's best match up vs. a high tier would be DDD and his worst is pikachu. He goes pretty much even with the rest of the high tiers

 

[ShadoFiend]

Man I'm in MD/VA too and I'm trying to main Falco. I'm like the opposite of my boy Omni though. I'm trying to drop lolSonic and lrn Falco. My placings with Sonic are well but I'm tired of approaching all day. People I've played told me I already have a gay falco so I'm loving it. I'm loving the character in general and I'm black so imma keep tryin. Please help this hedgehog tryin to fly .I've been watching KiD's matches right now but I heard this community is pretty helping soo I'll make sure to watch alll your videos.

 

[CO18]

Good choice. drop that nub pink bat you use.

 

[M@v]

Icys is his worst matchup imo.

50:50 mk

50:50 snake

60:40 DDD

60:40 Diddy

LOL Icys

45:55 Marth

55:45 GW

45:55-40:60 pika


PS. Can we get an omnigay with falco too? =P

This is nice too. Me and Melon rep PA Falcos, D1 is NY, Keit is NJ, now Omni in MD/VA

Falco is moving up on the EC LOL.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

70:30-65:35 dedede
55:45 diddy
40:60 IC
50:50 marth
50:50 GaW
35:65 pika.

imoooooo @ above.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Diddy Falco is 5/5

 

[Denzi]

Diddy Falco is 5/5

^This. He'll probably be the next MU discussion. I'll get on that soon.

 

[6Mizu]

I think it's 55:45 Falco.

 

[BleachigoZX]

It's even.

Very even.

 

[6Mizu]

Mmmm...I'll go with that especially since I only play Falco in Friendlies and also I've never fought a Diddy.

 

[BleachigoZX]

Diddy can make options to deal with Falco's camp game.

Falco can do pretty good stuff with the bananas too.

 

[Teran]

Personally I don't really like number ratios on matches.

It's far better to understand what your character can do and what theirs can do and just keep that in mind rather than thinking "oh **** he's 65/35 on us". It helps put you in a better frame of mind.

Falco's a top tier character, he has to the tools to win so it's understanding what those tools are and how to use them. It's like being a Falcon main and realising you've got no hope because your character's options are close to none.

Falco actually has an answer to everything, it just gets harder to use some in some matchups, whereas with a low tier you're just plain screwed.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Omni.

The essence of Falco is choices.
Falco is a character who has SO MANY CHOICES, in pretty much every situation, but all of them aren't always safe, which is why you often have to mindgame your opponent by using unusual strategies etc etc.
Choices... choices.

 

[BleachigoZX]

Avoid hitting shields with anything. I don't think we have any safe moves.

You can condition with this for kill set ups.

 

[gunterrsmash01]

it depends on the character.

some characters can't do **** OOS (like ZS) so you can pressure them with aerials on their shield and follow up with jab or grab after

 

[Teran]

Ftilt is okay on shields, much better if they don't PS because then they get pushed back somewhat.

 

[Vlade]

Yeah ftilt is fine unless they PS

I want diddy matchup discussion, I need to get proficient at it

 

[o0 DR3W 0o]

Not many people switch from MK.

Thank yoooooou.<3

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Phantasm works if up close
Dtilt works if spaced
jab if spaced against some charas with low grab range if you hit from jab3 its ok though
dair crossup but can't work if PS'd
nair crossup but can't work if they have a good oos move
bair crossup if you hit with sweetspot and space it but won't work with PS
safest thing if you short hop towards a shield is FOOTSTOOL HIS SHIELD this is p awesome
smashes work if they push him off platform/stage
if you roll towards the outer end of the stage you can usmash/dsmash and you get resetted to the ledge if you hit with
silent laser is always safe

P much everything there is safe

 

[slikvik]

steve

1. ur gay
2. you should use both

 

[King Funk]

Welcome to the Falco boards, Omni. You'll love them. We have the coolest mods ever and awesomely cynical people. ^^

 

[Orion*]

most of falcos matchup #s are extremely subjective to interpretation. and honestly that matchup chart is garbage XD

your best bet is to just play everything on personal experience, and matchups you dont do well in ask good players for advice.

 

[Omni]

Don't think I've ignored you guys.

So I just finished my first WIFI Tournament (wifi is weeeird) but I went all Falco (DDD one match and MK one match).

But yeah, I got 2nd place even though I lost 1st Round. EXTREMELY long Loser's Bracket.

Things that worked nicely:
1.) Camping with lasers. Predicting jumps correctly always got me double lasers.
2.) Empty short hops during close quarters. Punished a lot of sidesteps and rolls with d-airs.
3.) During opponent getup attacks alternating between dash in f-smash out of shield and and dash in grab out of shield. Dash in grab works a lot when they're at high %'s.
4.) When opponent is in kill % not moving longer than usual, then sneaking in a dash up-smash.

Things that didn't work too well:
1.) Lost to Junebug's Lucario. Really hard keeping him out and punishing that sidestep online.
2.) Missing techs and just air dodging off the stage. o_o Frigate was a nightmare.
3.) Didn't really know where to take people. I just kept going to BF 'cuz I like it there.
4.) Not remembering the CG%'s against certain characters.

But yeah it was really fun. Going to step it up s'more.

 

[Omni]

forgot to mention sidestep to jab is way too good. jab mix-ups:
1.) jab to full jab
2.) jab to short hop (punish sidestepping)
3.) jab to grab (punish shielding)
4.) jab to sidestep (punish quick frame smash retaliation or grabbing)

also, can Falco grab release anyone else like MK? i know this is a bit situational but i think Falco can overb after his grab release off the stage. curious to know what % this kills MK but if it works against other characters with bad recovery it'd be a fun falcocide to use at high %'s

 

[clowsui]

if diddy mashes you can get a dacus on him (air release)
if lucas ground releases the best you can do is an ftilt, ness the same
if wario mashes anything can happen (air release)
if pikachu mashes you get a dacus (air release)
unrelated to releases but LEARN BUFFERED DASH GRAB CG TIMING FOR MARTH!!! only way to grab marth to 45

 

[Teran]

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But dude don't worry about missed techs and offstage mishaps, those are all Falco being destroyed by online. Battlefield is a fantastic Falco stage. Lucario is a pretty even matchup, camp him like crazy because his combo potential at the beginning is enormous, and his aura power at high % make life difficult for a lightweight like Falco.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Falco grab release > sideB can work on a portion of the cast.

Do it on frigate while the side platform is active, epic kills will be made.

 

[Denzi]

Falco grab release > sideB can work on a portion of the cast.

Do it on frigate while the side platform is active, epic kills will be made.

Or on the right side of japes into the klap trap.