Olimar Moveset Discussion - Dair

[DtJ Hilt]

Purple Up Smash kills Mario on FD at 79 uncharged, 48 fully charged.

 

[Tin Man]

Purple Usmash is a beast

a problem with Nair is its range, which is small, it can be out spaced really well.

 

[Metaknigher13]

I hate his long range attacks

 

[PSIQuasi]

Anyways, I think nair is a really useful move, and fits in with combos well. I think there is some utilization as apart of mind games, since the u-tilt and sh nair, look really similar. But, I can't see how this can be implemented though...

 

[Llumys]

I don't think that's an issue...

 

[Noa.]

If we're done talking about nair, I suppose we should move onto another move.

Any suggestions?

 

[Zori]

forward tilt

 

[Noa.]

Ftilt it is.

One thing I can say about ftilt is that it can be used to edgeguard like in melee, shown in that combo video in the video thread.

We should probably discuss how ftilt is different from dtilt as well. Those two moves are very comparable imo.

 

[Zori]

ftilt has a lot of priority


now think outside the box with me guys, i think ftilt and help us in some really bad match ups mainly match ups that deal with projectiles ftilt beats out lucarios aurasphear for example....

but im too lazy to test any of this :D

 

[IcyLight]

filt can also stage spike, and hits them below the edge. if a DK brings you to yoshis, if he is on the edge (OR EVEN WHILE HE IS UPBING NEXT TO THE LEDGE), you can ftilt him out of his upb over and over and over and over for free damage and there is nothing he can do. situational, but it works, cause most dk's think they are cool and plank with their upb

 

[Noa.]

Using Icy Light's idea with DK, Ftilt can be used to **** Ike's Side B recovery even more if for whatever reason you can't get a pikmin on him. It can stop Peach from directly floating onstage when she's close to the ledge. It might beat Pika's skull bash. And if Pika tries to get back on stage with Quick attack, due to his hurtbox enlarging so much, maybe ftilt can get him. You just gave me a lot of ideas Icy.

 

[DarkPikmin]

I use Ftilt when I don't feel like having my Fsmash outprioritized by anything else in the game. Use it when you respawn (fools will stand right next to you or run past you because you're vulnerable without pikmin [harhar]). Its quick too. Also as a kill move 160%+

 

[IcyLight]

i might want to add, a dk tried to jump from edge and up-b me on yoshis and i ftilted him and killed him. he was di'ing towards the edge =]

edit: just vsed an mk on wifi, he did reverse shuttle loop, and u know how u can usmash him out of it if he does it too high? well, he did the normal one on stage and i ftilted him (he was 160) and he died. too good

 

[Llumys]

Meh, pluck canceling works better for that, Decoy.

 

[BOB SAGET!]

U can also ftilt right after a dthrow. if u have a white next in line, U can dthrow, ftilt, then toss. Just something u can do in certain situations.

 

[Llumys]

Is d-throw f-tilt a true combo on anyone?

 

[BOB SAGET!]

Dont know for sure. Ive done it in some matches against different chars. Y dont u test it?

 

[Llumys]

I don't like testing things that require DI by myself.

Regardless, I doubt it's worth testing.

 

[Commander_Beef]

This is unbelieved.....

 

[Zori]

Someone wanted +1

 

[Kitamerby]

I was bored.

 

[Llumys]

Lol, silver Olimar.

 

[Fino]

I was bored.

Olimar looks like a snowman, lulz
finish the whole moveset plz ;-;
Oh yeah... when you finish it, gimme the code :3
<3


~Fino

 

[Zori]

Olimar looks like kakuna

 

[Tin Man]

never knew U tilt had so many uses, seems like a viable move, and someone mentioned using it when they don't want their F smash to be prioritized. 1 thing about F tilt is its ending lag, its atrocious T_T

 

[Kitamerby]

Olimar looks like a snowman, lulz
finish the whole moveset plz ;-;
Oh yeah... when you finish it, gimme the code :3
<3


~Fino

Too lazy. Also, I can't do the Pikmin due to having no skill at hex whatsoever, so I'd only be able to do oli's normal moves anyways. (Get-up attacks, ledge attacks, utilt, ftilt, dtilt, jab, dash attack, nair) D:

 

[Noa.]

I plan to update the OP when I have time. Hopefully soon.

Anyways, people should discuss Fair. It's an important move for Olimar to use and it's one of the latter developments of Oli's metagame if I'm not mistaken.

Should we include bair as a sub-discussion since they're so similar?

 

[DtJ Hilt]

They're similar but they're not the same. Not that we couldn't discuss them at the same time, though, but what's said about fair wouldn't always apply to bair.

As for the discussion in general :D
I'll be making a bigger post about fair later. Probably one of my favorite attacks.

 

[Tin Man]

Fair, it can kill with red, blue, yellow and purple pikmin, it is well used after an enemy is at low percents and has been Dthrowed, only possible to use 1 out of a short hop, and 2 out of a full hop, if used while rising on a short hop, the animation finishes, and therefore one can land and so something else with no lag, and finally at low percents, 2 yellow Fairs combo

 

[Llumys]

Yellow sucks at killing with fairs.

Also, keep in mind that if you SH fair, you shouldn't fast fall immediately when possible; it'll give you landing lag. You should wait a little. Bair's the same case.

 

[Geddan]

i'm bumping this because i think we should finish it.

 

[dahighii]

Wow, what a serendipitous thread bump - I was up late after finishing a paper and was just about to create a thread discussing dair. Guess I'll just copy and paste what I was going to say into here:

I randomly thought about Oli's dair. Of course it's good for a spike when you set it up properly, but I wondered if any of you use the move outside of that, as in just during comboing/racking damage.

I don't always use it, but I do occasionally; as opposed to hitting the opponent away with an fair or tossing them with a grab, I find it useful to mix it up sometimes and dair helps to keep the opponent within easy reach of comboing. I don't try this against Falco or MK or anyone else with a great close-combat game, but I still find a use for it every now and then.

Opinions?

 

[DtJ Hilt]

Dair is incredible.

I don't... want to release my secret until I pull it off in tournament though or at least get it recorded.

One thing about dair though is that it doesn't have as much landing lag as the opponent thinks. So if you approach with a dair and pull back, they'll oftentimes run into a fsmash.

 

[Hai Im Fearless]

Start a new one over, there's too much bad advice in the earlier posts that don't apply in today's metagame (not to say there isn't good things, but the good things that have lasted since that long ago always get repeated)

for example a few posts before this one llumys said try to never fast fall fair....... i fastfall at least half my fairs

dair lag canceled to fair is sooo old hilt

also, yellow dair is sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo good vs mk's up air spam. and if you time a spike on him while at the right height, you lag cancel to a guarenteed down tilt (or not guarenteed but more manly down smash)

 

[Geddan]

well we can expand on it and just take out the stuff that doesn't apply anymore. starting from scratch would take forever.

 

[DtJ Hilt]

dair lag canceled to fair is sooo old hilt

I said fsmash And yeah it's old lol nobody uses dair though and it makes me sad

 

[Hai Im Fearless]

i meant fsmash, gotten 4 hrs of sleep since friday at 8am lol

but yea dair is my favorite move ever, fairs just easier to hit

 

[Geddan]

so where shall we start our re-discussion? fair? dair?

 

[dahighii]

Well first off are we continuing the discussion here or is a new thread going to be created? I'm a dair lover myself (probably the most satisfying move in Oli's moveset for me), but before launching into all the reasons why I'd like to know where to post

 

[Noa.]

Just post it here. Less threads is generally better.