Official SWF Tier List v8

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Go big or go home, always go for the rest, in melee

 

[Z'zgashi]

I dont even main puff and sometimes I can feel the rest and just jump into them and BOOM. But aside from set ups and the occasional hard read, I never really use Rest with puff. But I dont really use puff outside of random select and to piss off IC mains.

 

[Grim Tuesday]

Ignoring guaranteed set-ups (which usually only work on spacies + bad DI, so you can't rely on them at top level some of the time), hitting Rest is easier in Brawl.

Even with the set-ups, Brawl is probs easier tbh

 

[-LzR-]

Wait what? Rest is really easy to land in Melee. The hard part is getting that close, but it's just a simple any move -> rest -> get usmashed at 50% before you wake up when they respawn.

 

[1PokeMastr]

Remember, Grim is from Australia.

Where things don't make sense.

 

[Elyssa Xey Hexen]

Remember, Grim is from Australia.

Where things don't make sense.

Toilets whirl in the opposite direction.
People travel on the wrong side of the road.

Australia is the best place in the world with Canada a close second.

 

[Shiny Mewtwo aka Jigglysir]

Australia is the best place in the world with Canada a close second.

I think you have things mixed up

 

[Grim Tuesday]

Nah guys

Punishing is easier in brawl in this specific instance

Like, in brawl all it takes is reading a single short hop aerial or particularly slow ground move and Jigglypuff is inside you.

Super special trick: if you expect someone to aerial, jump and air dodge pre-emptively. If they don't bite, you can just fall back (stage control is expendable as puff unless the timer is running low), if they do then you can weave into them, land to cancel air dodge lag and rest OR cross-up completely.

In melee, you can't air dodge through aerials cause it's way too laggy

far less delay between moves, you try to get inside and you're shined or nair'd before they get close

Brawl's slower gameplay lets you rest with far greater confidence basically, I rarely miss nowadays

 

[Shiny Mewtwo aka Jigglysir]

Brawl's slower gameplay lets you rest with far greater confidence basically, I rarely miss nowadays

Yeah but the thing is you're playing against Australians. Of course you're rarely going to miss.

 

[Grim Tuesday]

Didn't realize you can avoid guaranteed punishes just by being born in a different country

 

[Shiny Mewtwo aka Jigglysir]

Didn't realize you can avoid guaranteed punishes just by being born in a different country

Of course not.

You can avoid punishes in general.

 

[Grim Tuesday]

perhaps guaranteed wasn't a strong enough word

 

[1PokeMastr]

I want my money back.

 

[pidgezero_one]

I use puff in brawl and melee. I don't even bother with rest in brawl :s

 

[Cassio]

In the full context of puff as a character, rest is harder to land. If it were as easy to land as it were in melee Jiggs would be in the top half of the cast.

 

[Grim Tuesday]

She is in the top half of the cast.

Her players just suck.

 

[LiteralGrill]

Random button is in the top half the cast, its players just suck.

 

[Djent]

On average, the random button is in the exact middle of the cast.

 

[Cassio]

She is in the top half of the cast.

Her players just suck.

lol, that would mean jiggs is better than peach, kirby, sonic. If you really believe that then support it.

 

[Grim Tuesday]

I've done so via theorycraft many times in the past
Outside of that, all I can do is try to place well with her lol, which is tough when melee is my main game and I only get to go to tournaments that matter once a year

I think it's really obvious that she's good, confuses me that people can't see it

 

[pidgezero_one]

On average, the random button is in the exact middle of the cast.

is that true? is it at all skewed by the inability to land on zss or pokemon trainer being 4 characters

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

In the full context of puff as a character, rest is harder to land. If it were as easy to land as it were in melee Jiggs would be in the top half of the cast.

Even if she could, Rest still got nerfed in other aspects along with herself.

 

[Djent]

is that true? is it at all skewed by the inability to land on zss or pokemon trainer being 4 characters

****, I didn't think of ZSS...

 

[Thor]

If you are good at mashing taunt buttons properly you still get ZSS after either you or your opponent has lost a stock if you are quick about it.

 

[ぱみゅ]

>Implying Samus can get a stock

 

[Grim Tuesday]

scrubs
you put a bomb down and then change
bomb wards off all attackers

 

[Thor]

Well like I said, just rack some damage, then transform with the invincibility and you have a ZSS.

In my experience bombs don't last nearly long enough. They also don't ward off Falco lasers.

And hey, Samus can easily get KOs!










at 250%...

 

[Grim Tuesday]

I don't know how I can make it any more obvious when I'm joking without out-right stating it, any suggestions guys?

 

[Shiny Mewtwo aka Jigglysir]

I don't know how I can make it any more obvious when I'm joking without out-right stating it, any suggestions guys?

I usually do one of three things: horrible grammar, mention Jigglypuff, or mention Fox.

 

[Thor]

You should just say Pikachu:MK is even when you're joking, I'll take the hint. I also guessed you were joking but often find myself incentivized to reply as though you were serious [more on that later if you care, you probably don't.]

So... Ike vs Ike is +4 because everyone wins when two guys have enough guts to play Ike in tournament.

Eh...if we put out another tier list, predictions for the top 10 spots [and order]? If someone has another idea throw it out there, I'm out of 'em.

 

[Shiny Mewtwo aka Jigglysir]

You should just say Pikachu:MK is even when you're joking, I'll take the hint. I also guessed you were joking but often find myself incentivized to reply as though you were serious [more on that later if you care, you probably don't.]

So... Ike vs Ike is +4 because everyone wins when two guys have enough guts to play Ike in tournament.

Eh...if we put out another tier list, predictions for the top 10 spots [and order]? If someone has another idea throw it out there, I'm out of 'em.

Ike vs Ike is just like Falcon vs Falcon

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[Thor]

I thought Falcon used Jab->Grab?

 

[PKBeam]

predictions for the top 10 spots [and order]?

SS:
OK, OK...
| S:
|A+:
|A-:
| B:

 

[Shiny Mewtwo aka Jigglysir]

I thought Falcon used Jab->Grab?

No you grab when you shield the other Falcon's Jab. Trust me I've played a lot of Falcon dittos against really good Falcons.

 

[Z'zgashi]

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[ぱみゅ]

I find it funny that even there Zelda is lower tier.

 

[Gardex]

Seems accurate

 

[Djent]

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2/4 top 2, 3/4 top 25%, all top 50% ... Brokémon too good.

 

[Thor]

The RNG gods have spoken, the true list actually is: http://prntscr.com/2tlkcl

> All

Pikachu at #2, Captain Falcon at #3, Link at #7, Jigglypuff at #9... I like.

 

[Shiny Mewtwo aka Jigglysir]

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> All

Puff and Falcon still too low