Official Snake Q&A Area

[F A N G]

How did Havok jump here after cypher?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBpnALXn1Bc

At about 21 seconds.

Was it a footstool or can you somehow jump after cypher?

 

[Ralph Cecil]

I'm pretty sure it was a footstool myself.

 

[Bonds]

Yeah, he footstooled an attack so TKD didn't go into the footstool animation. If snake could jump again after his cypher it probably wouldn't be so difficult to get back onstage

 

[Attila_]

advice for the zss mu?

i'm terrible at it.

 

[F A N G]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SzAuetDb0lM

That may or may not help

Dash attack is really helpful for beating SideB and a lot of ZSS's moveset.

Running up and shielding works pretty well, I think

 

[Elyssa Xey Hexen]

This is some stuff I have been thinking regarding ZSS.

1) Suit Pieces have to go!
I've been thinking to tackle ZSS by not using grenades at the start of the match until all suit pieces have been eliminated from the stage. This means making it a priority to get rid of all suit pieces on the stage. Snake lacks really any mobility and good follow-ups from hitting ZSS with a suit piece. On the other hand, suit pieces put Snake into the air where ZSS can wreck Snake. Pulling nades has periods where you cannot defend yourself at all.

So, staying near the ledge would seem a decent location to be at. If you spot dodge a suit-piece toss, it goes over the ledge. And really, ZSS can't do much with a suit piece in hand. She can throw it or use specials. If she does a complicated button input you can use other options upon picking it up such as charging a fsmash and other gimmicky things.

2) Don't be wasteful of your movements
Snake gets juggled well. ZSS can keep a juggle going. You need to make sure you don't make a hasty movement that will get you into trouble. If your rolling, shielding, spot dodging, or air dodging out of fear it will come around to bite you in the butt. Same thing with nade reversals to get out. Once used, your vulnerable for a period of time. Oh, and same thing again too for your attacks.

 

[Attila_]

thanks for the input so far guys.

cant help but think ally probably won cause he's just better though lol.

also, can we crouch under armour pieces at all?

 

[Bonds]

we can crouch them, but they can hit us when they're bouncing on the floor, so if the ZSS knows what they're doing it probably isn't a very good idea. I just stay midrange and powershield them if I can.

 

[Attila_]

Crouch sounds like a possible approach option.

Or viable if she comes close holding one. Glide toss is quite slow, so it's not a huge concern.

 

[Bonds]

What do you guys try to do to ensure that your c4 will hit after stickying someone? I usually just wait for my opponent to commit to something and blow it up then, but I know more competent opponents aren't going to do that when they have a c4 on their face. I'm trying to cook/instathrow nades and detonate the c4 during hitstun, but I want to know if there's a simpler way to get it to work.

 

[Ralph Cecil]

What causes a C4 to be hit off of someone/Is there a certain factor I can keep in mind, because whenever I hit someone with a fully charged f-smash it knocks the C4 off of them.

 

[Mike2]

Crouch sounds like a possible approach option.

Or viable if she comes close holding one. Glide toss is quite slow, so it's not a huge concern.

Yes I've been meaning to try. I noticed Japanese snake utilize crouch a LOT to duck under a projectile. Plus there's that thing where you auto powershield when crouched. Seems like a great mixup when dealing with zss at the start. I just need to test is more.

 

[Bonds]

I'm pretty sure c4 falling off has to do with knockback when hit, or some kind of movement. I've noticed sometimes it just falls off, but attacks with more knockback make it drop off much more consistently.

 

[Ralph Cecil]

I know, but I was wondering if there was a more specific factor like how much % a moves has to deal or something along those lines.

 

[Elyssa Xey Hexen]

Crouch sounds like a possible approach option.

Or viable if she comes close holding one. Glide toss is quite slow, so it's not a huge concern.

The only thing I have ever been concerned with during crouching is trying to make an instantaneous reaction to something. But, I guess that's simply because I'm not used to making actions from holding down-left or down-right position instead of some other position on the control stick. Like, trying to bring the control stick to neutral after crouching and moving feels awkward. Or really any action from that position.

Anyway, I think crouching should work as an approach against her with suit pieces. I just have to learn it and get use to it.

What do you guys try to do to ensure that your c4 will hit after stickying someone? I usually just wait for my opponent to commit to something and blow it up then, but I know more competent opponents aren't going to do that when they have a c4 on their face. I'm trying to cook/instathrow nades and detonate the c4 during hitstun, but I want to know if there's a simpler way to get it to work.

I do not believe there is anything you can do to guarantee a C4 follow-up. It takes 29 frames before activation along with whatever moves ending lag you used to put them in hitstun. The longest hitstun from any move usually lasts less than 30 frames in the 0%-200% range. So, your opponent will virtually always be able to time an air dodge or shield to avoid the C4.

The only thing you can do is wait for an opportunity for them to commit to an action with lag. Also, I have no idea about C4 falling off. It currently falls off after a period of time. I think the count was 14 seconds. Someone did a post on it somewhere and I bet its in the general directory or snake guide.

 

[Attila_]

i find crounching to be a pretty useful thing to make reactionary.

helps out in plenty of situations. and the instant powershield is terrible.

 

[theONEjanitor]

against ZSS you basically just want to get all up in her grill and don't let her zone with her lazors and all that bull****.
you'll be shielding a lot. if you're good at powershielding that **** comes in handy.
good ZSS's don't spam side-b as much, but a lot of zss's love that **** and powershield side-b is free f-tilt
also just keep in mind that you're manly snake and she's a frail little beeyatch. she dies at like 90 and doesn't really kill that well, you die at like a million percent. don't be afraid to take a couple of hits.

don't fall into her, but i think snakes know not to really do that to anyone for the most part.

other than that ZSS is all zoning and mindgames yo. just don't fall for her bull****. I don't think she has any natural advantages on snake, besides the fact that she can juggle him, which i don't care THAT much about because I'm snake and i can't die. unless you eat a lame up air at the top of the screen or something.
just powershield her **** and learn her frame data in terms of what you can and can't punish. I.E you can't punish d-smash out of shield, or the last few frames of dash attack, and you can't punish well spaced side-b unless you powershield it i believe.
good ZSS's will just try to zone you out and wait for you to do a move or try to punish something unpunishable. so i feel the matchup is mostly just patience and is solidly in snakes favor.
THATS JUST ME DOE

 

[Mike2]

i find crounching to be a pretty useful thing to make reactionary.

helps out in plenty of situations. and the instant powershield is terrible.

Why do you say it's terrible?

 

[Attila_]

lol what, that's some crazy typing error. and it wasnt even on my iphone!

the instant powershield is amazing.

 

[F A N G]

What is the instant powershield?

 

[Attila_]

When you're crouching below an attack, and you press shield, you'll always powershield it.

 

[Ralph Cecil]

I saw in the D3 mu thread something about how we can out range D3's grab with our own grab. Which grab does that/How do I go about doing this?

 

[Elyssa Xey Hexen]

It might simply be that when DDD misses a grab, he sticks his arm out. We can grab that.

 

[Ralph Cecil]

Oh o-o kk then. ^_^

Also could someone explain the Fox mu to me, because I played one this weekend and kind of got shut out by his short hop fair, but I was trying to beat it. If I can't beat it then that would probably make things easier, and I would just run away instead of doing my usual bullheaded tactic of trying to beat out moves that i'm unsure if I can beat.

 

[Bonds]

^ who was the fox?

Also, how does everyone like to deal with explosions in the ditto? I'm always too focused on not blowing myself up to realize that my opponent can blow me up too.. lol

 

[Twigz]

Hey all, i was wondering if you guys could recommend a nice secondary for Snake. It's because.. i was at some friendly tourneys where i'm from, and lost mostly to snakes weak match-ups. E.g. DDD, olimar.

Thanks in advance for any help.

 

[Gifts]

Yo real talk...


**** d3. Lmaooooo

 

[Twigz]

i wish i could ignore him, but he always comes up when i play my snake.. no choice but to find a way to get rid of him.

 

[Gifts]

i wish i could ignore him, but he always comes up when i play my snake.. no choice but to find a way to get rid of him.

Ill be getting a bunch of d3 practice from a friend very soon so hopefully i can give advise then... but right now im in the same boat as you and cant stand d3.

I could have made my pool at a 3 way tie this weekend if i could have beaten tmacs d3. I took game 1 off of his wario and he want d3 games 2 and 3. Went to last stocks game 2 he was at mid percent. Game 3 i started getting nervous because i knew i needed this win and was ****ing up easy stuff like b reverses and instead of doing f tilts doing f smashes. Was really annoying because if i felt like i didnt make hose mistakes game 3 i would have won but oh well. **** happens.

 

[Ralph Cecil]

^ who was the fox?

MX QQQQQQQQQQ

Hey all, i was wondering if you guys could recommend a nice secondary for Snake. It's because.. i was at some friendly tourneys where i'm from, and lost mostly to snakes weak match-ups. E.g. DDD, olimar.

Thanks in advance for any help.

Falco kind of covers it, but you'll still have Pikachu to worry about.

 

[Gifts]

Marth would be really good. The d3 mu is kinda meh with marth but if you can learn to space corrwctly and do mix ups marth would be a nice secondary

 

[ZTD | TECHnology]

If people have vs questions, I can answer them. I'm pretty legit at that MU.

Yeah I still lurk these boards lol.

Also Gifts:

 

[Gifts]

If people have vs questions, I can answer them. I'm pretty legit at that MU.

Yeah I still lurk these boards lol.

Also Gifts:

i dont even want to talk about it. Lmaooo

Body him game 1. Games 2 and 3 i go "yo im fighting kirby i can do what ever the **** i want." A few stocks later i realize im ongame 3 down a stock already at 100% lmao. ibad.

 

[F A N G]

If you time and dedication, Icys beat DDD and Olimar

 

[Ralph Cecil]

Olimar technically does well in all of Snake's bad MUs lol.

 

[Attila_]

Ice climbers cover bad mus well. They're bad on the same stages as snake though. And they're hella difficult to use.

 

[Ralph Cecil]

What can Snake do in the air to beat a mortar that's coming from above or below him?

 

[F A N G]

Uair, Bair for all directions.

Air dodge can, depending on where you are in relation to the mortar.

I suppose Dair could work if it's below you.

 

[Bonds]

MX beat me in pools >_>

unfortunately I was trying to play zeton to learn almost the whole time, but things kept coming up and I wasn't able to play singles with him until I had already lost in pools

Fox isn't that hard if you know what his approach options are and how to beat them, though. Learning how to sdi out of his dair to avoid to the uptilt is insanely good too :D

 

[Ralph Cecil]

Oddly enough it was short hop fair that gave me the most trouble against him. =p