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Official Metaknight Discussion

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BPC earlier this page said:
What would your criteria for banning a character in Super Smash Bros be?
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I know he wasn't talking to me, but I'd like to answer this as well just to give my opinion on when a character should be banned.

But before I set a criteria, I think we should all realize that an MK specific ledge grab limit is REQUIRED as DMGs version of planking-- actually I don't feel retyping this whole **** thing again, just read my last post (no one responded to it anyway...)

I think a character should be banned when he becomes incredibly overcentralizing. To the point where you really HAVE to pick MK or you won't stand a chance at winning the tournament.

That really hasn't happened yet, but if it does, I will be pro-ban.

That is my criteria for a character ban.
 
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the unable table said:
I know he wasn't talking to me, but I'd like to answer this as well just to give my opinion on when a character should be banned.

But before I set a criteria, I think we should all realize that an MK specific ledge grab limit is REQUIRED as DMGs version of planking-- actually I don't feel retyping this whole **** thing again, just read my last post (no one responded to it anyway...)

I think a character should be banned when he becomes incredibly overcentralizing. To the point where you really HAVE to pick MK or you won't stand a chance at winning the tournament.

That really hasn't happened yet, but if it does, I will be pro-ban.

That is my criteria for a character ban.
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MK does this, just exclude the outliers.

Antiban is their *****.
 
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MK does this, just exclude the outliers.
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He doesn't though. He might have a ton more people playing him and get a lot more representation, but it has NOT gotten to the point where you must pick MK or lose, MK is just easy to pick up and generally the best choice (which is to be expected as he's the best character in the game...).
 
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RedHalberd said:
That's not realistic though, because even the best players miss punishments all the time.

Why? Because in reality, those are reads to an extent as well. Reaction speed (the ability to process and recognize a situation) comes into play here. The faster you can react the more likely it is that you will pull off a punishment in time, but all players must often make judgements on whether or not they feel they'll be able to punish something.

By the time you realize something just happened the window to punish it may have just closed. That's why MK is beatable by any character on paper but you don't see it happening. Punishing MK takes faster reaction than punishing other characters etc...
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then you made a mistake. im assuming that you arent making mistakes, because it should be happening. yes, we are humans, and judgement calls are important, dont take that wrong, but as a community we are SOOOOO lazy. it shouldnt be acceptable to make mistakes, we should strive to punish something if its humanly possible.
nobody wants to practice and learn their character, its pathetic.

at least thats my general exp. from the nationals and east coast tournaments ive been to.
 
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Budget Player Cadet_ said:
Masmasher, what is your criteria for banning a character? You ignore (with no given reason) our arguments towards a temporary ban of metaknight, and you make claims that you can't back up in general. "You don't ban chars to increase viability"... Wouldn't the main reason anyone has ever been banned ever be that they make the entire rest of the cast invalid?

What would your criteria for banning a character in Super Smash Bros be?

Also, if you don't like Jin, try V-13 in BlazBlue. And she wasn't even seen as the best.

Also, guys, please stop quoting Orion. I think this thread gets better when I put him on ignore and now you all are quoting him and I still have to see his incredibly bad posts. ;_;

EDIT: I hope you realize how ******** you sound at this point when you say that a Temp Ban is pointless. Every argument about how a game without MK would be far more balanced, every argument about how many characters MK completely invalidates, every argument about how much less gay the game would be without MK has been shoved off by anti-ban as "theorycraft". A temp ban would give us the chance to actually test all these things! What you're saying is equivalent to this situation:
-Proban: I think that Red and Yellow make Orange based on theory of light reflections.
-Antiban: PROVE IT OR IT'S JUST A BAD THEORY.
-Proban: Okay, I need paint. But to go to the store and buy paint I need your agreement for some inane reason.
-Antiban: NO.
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I worded that wrong. i meant to say that you dont ban characters to increase diversity.

I think that crows statistics are legit but neglible. Though i think that the data for planking really hit anti ban hard. Hence why im on the fence about this. also for a temp ban...


Its really sort of silly.
It wont really do anything ether. what happens when meta knight comes back. What are you looking for when you actually do it. you already know that the results are going to change... you will have gained nothing except the opinion of the community which would be subjective on how much they like the situation with him gone. with him gone how do you prove that he is ban worthy. you have gained no ground. You ether ban him or you dont plus you are taking players practice with the character away. Theres no criteria to say that he is banworthy and the very fact that a temp ban would happen would be becuase you "feel" like having him gone.
 
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ph00tbag said:
This guy's a real comedian.
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ummmm no. not really i made a statement

GunmasterLombardi said:
What were you trying to accomplish?

You need to fight good MKs and Thio is a ghost to me until he can actually learn the character, which is not hard.
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UM IVE PLAYED GOOD MKS. yo dont get that good at a matchup playing scrubs LOL. and UM cyanides mad good

xIblisx said:
You should be infracted.
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no. i just made a statement that snake is banworthy of me winning some arbitrary number of times, but im not winning nationals with him. its the same thing pro ban is doing

EDIT: YOU SHOULD BE INFRACTED SINCE YOUR POST RETAINS NO RELATIVE INFORMATION
 
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so that nullifies your point, doesn't it?
 
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Your horrible at this. Do you have results of Snake being better at high levels of play over a long span of time like MK?

I can answer this one.

No.
 
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GunmasterLombardi said:
Anti-ban is a joke. Period.
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I think it's even funnier that you're taking Orion so seriously, and even funnier that you think he's speaking for anti-ban. :laugh:

I don't/didn't play MK for anything except Falco and Diddy, two matchups I'd really never want to play as ZSS if I ever decided to use her again.
 
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the troll is enjoying his supper.
 
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Anti-ban cannot get worse. Oh, there's a few big spaces inbetween some post. Glitch maybe? lulz
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me a few posts before yours said:
Ad hominem, a logical fallacy, along with fallacy of accident.

Thought it was kinda ironic and should be mentioned.
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Just saying that this applies to your current post as well.

I'd prefer if you didn't associate all of anti-ban with a few idiots, just like I don't associate all of pro-ban with people like you who make ridiculous generalizations and bring nothing to the arguments of whether or not MK should be banned.

Whether or not you're a troll, you're being as worthless to this argument as orion is with your baseless generalizations, ad hominem attacks at all of anti-ban for the trolling of a few people, and pointless comments.

Anti-ban isn't some ****ing hive-mind. We're all different people with different opinions, just like pro-ban. I'd appreciate it greatly if people from pro-ban (especially GunmasterLombardi) would stop pointlessly associating trolls with all of anti-ban, and for people from anti-ban (I can't name any names off the top of my head, but I do remember people doing it) to not make ridiculous generalizations either.

It doesn't add anything to the discussion at hand and it's really, really annoying.

EDIT: ...Gunmaster Lombardi made two more ridiculous and bad posts between when I was starting to make my post and when I finally hit post. Atleast I'm not associating him with all of pro-ban; because I actually respect some of you guys, amirite?
C wut I've been doin har?
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Yeah I see what you're doing there. Flaming all sorts of people for the trolling of one person, and excessive spam.

EDITEDIT: You know what, I think I might just put GunmasterLombardi and Orion on ignore so that I don't have to see their ridiculous posts anymore.
 
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Just saying that this applies to your current post as well.

I'd prefer if you didn't associate all of anti-ban with a few idiots, just like I don't associate all of pro-ban with people like you who make ridiculous generalizations and bring nothing to the arguments of whether or not MK should be banned.

Whether or not you're a troll, you're being as worthless to this argument as orion is with your baseless generalizations, ad hominem attacks at all of anti-ban for the trolling of a few people, and pointless comments.

Anti-ban isn't some ****ing hive-mind. We're all different people with different opinions, just like pro-ban. I'd appreciate it greatly if people from pro-ban (especially GunmasterLombardi) would stop pointlessly associating trolls with all of anti-ban, and for people from anti-ban (I can't name any names off the top of my head, but I do remember people doing it) to not make ridiculous generalizations either.

It doesn't add anything to the discussion at hand and it's really, really annoying.

EDIT: ...Gunmaster Lombardi made two more ridiculous and bad posts between when I was starting to make my post and when I finally hit post. Atleast I'm not associating him with all of pro-ban; because I actually respect some of you guys, amirite? Yeah I see what you're doing there. Flaming all sorts of people for the trolling of one person, and excessive spam.

EDITEDIT: You know what, I think I might just put GunmasterLombardi and Orion on ignore so that I don't have to see their ridiculous posts anymore.
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You're a legit antiban so I'll actually talk w/ you.

Anti-ban trolling (you excluded) has been in this thread for quite some time. Days, weeks, I'd say the whole time the thread has been up. I fail to realise the point of contributing if the opponents (overall) do not wish to contribute legitimate material either.

The thread should be closed. I would give the meaningless win to antiban only for the fact that people in said group are the same people who inforce the split in the community.

Edit:@Iblis, I like how a guy in the comments said he uses proper grammar but he mispelled the word itself. lmfao
 
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