Official Metaknight Discussion

[N.A.G.A.C.E]

MK glide attack is better then pits

 

[Dark.Pch]

As for what makes something ban-worthy...that is a very hard question to answer! In fact, we've gone over this numerous times, but to no avail...criteria is a completely subjective issue...some say if something is too over-centralized, it warrants a ban...but in response, someone will say "if something is being over-centralized, why should use that as an excuse to ban something? Why are we trying to disuade players from 'playing to win?'" Very annoying stuff, subjectivity is!

How many times has planking been beaten? People by now have plank way too many times or just played gay to no end with meta. At this point there is no excuse. M2K timed out 8 people, including Ally at pound 4. M2K had a three stock leadon someone and just continuedto do so, didnot fight at all.

How much more proof does one need by now that something is seriously destroying the game? I swear it seems like people are scared to get rid of this for some reason.

 

[Dekar173]

thats off the top of my head

recovery -
uair - i agree but i think you underrate how good samus's is Samus'* isn't very good.
nair - peach has like the same thing absolutely incorrect
dair -
forward roll - lucario????.... http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=225510&highlight=frame
dsmash - olimar O.o? Way wrong
dtilt
ftilt - SNAKE I can see where you're coming from with this one, but MK's is faster, not as easy to DI, doesn't clank, and is safe on block against most of the cast.
glide - PIT LOLOLOL obviously
glide attack - PIT LOLOLOLOL joking
neutral B - FALCO Lasers don't win entire match-ups
down B (banned) - DIDDY Bananas aren't banned
up B -
Planking (limited)
Best "Priority"
Best Dashdance**** forgot this one in my original post
Best Airdodge**** this one too


You seem to be grasping for straws with these replies

 

[PokemonMasterIRL]

I use Zangief in Sf4.

And Peach's Nair and Mk's are way different.

Dear god.

 

[BarDulL]

How many times has planking been beaten? People by now have plank way too many times or just played gay to no end with meta. At this point there is no excuse. M2K timed out 8 people, including Ally at pound 4. M2K had a three stock leadon someone and just continuedto do so, didnot fight at all.

How much more proof does one need by now that something is seriously destroying the game? I swear it seems like people are scared to get rid of this for some reason.

Hmm...well, therein lies another problem! Planking is a very powerful technique, however! Is it ban-worthy?

Something that is extremely effective, such as planking, doesn't necessarily make it ban worthy! If you use that logic, this applies to MK as well. MK is very good, but ban worthy? It is very hard to determine whether or not something is ban worthy. Simply using the excuse "but it's so gay though," and "its so cheap," does not a ban make!

Not to mention, we lack a general consensus of what should be deemed "ban worthy." However, I am not without sympathy for you, Dark.Pch, as I find planking to be as distasteful as my Dad's pasta (which...isn't very good. Hah!)

 

[PokemonMasterIRL]

We should all just play MK.

Hello Jon.

 

[deepseadiva]

Nope, Peach's is better.

Along with the speed comparisons, it also hits twice with the double hit AT, and it's an aerial jablock.

 

[Dark.Pch]

Peach's Nair hits twice, but you have the activate that second hit box. You have to like float to a Nair and once it hits, drop from the float, thats when the second hit comes out. if you did anything outside of that like a rising Nair, the second hit box wont come out.

metas hit more than once no matter the timing. The only similarities it would have is that both moves hit on frame 3 and have about the same duration time

 

[Kuraudo]

Hmm...well, therein lies another problem! Planking is a very powerful technique, however! Is it ban-worthy?

Something that is extremely effective, such as planking, doesn't necessarily make it ban worthy! If you use that logic, this applies to MK as well. MK is very good, but ban worthy? It is very hard to determine whether or not something is ban worthy. Simply using the excuse "but it's so gay though," and "its so cheap," does not a ban make!

Not to mention, we lack a general consensus of what should be deemed "ban worthy." However, I am not without sympathy for you, Dark.Pch, as I find planking to be as distasteful as my Dad's pasta!

Planking goes against what a fighting game (no matter how unconventional it may be for Smash) is about. It is a form of stalling that is too difficult to monitor constantly, as is scrooging. The second that someone flies under the stage, the opponent could pause the game, call them out on "scrooging" and it creates a terrible vibe and rule of banning that. Rather then just ban the source of it all, Meta Knight.

64/Melee/Brawl are all fighting games. MK breaks that norm with all that he's allowed to get away with.

Personally, either the SBR REALLY cracks down on planking and scrooging (to which if you're caught doing it once, you're finished for that fight as they are BANNED moves potentially), or they get rid of the major hassle of it all to begin with, and ban Meta Knight altogether.

One of many reasons listed. Oh hey, Hylian's right. Everything I've said? SAID BEFORE!

...

and yet here I am. ._.

[EDIT]

As much as I dislike Meta Knight's influence on the community and viability of everyone else in the game, flying under the stage, to me, is a legitimate tactic. A great means of escape if you are being pressured by a very good edgeguarder as you just go to the other side and reset the situation. You're not stalling or "scrooging", you're simply using a tool of MK to your advantage, what makes him the best character that will NEVER be beaten out so consistently.

Using it as an evasive maneuver when you're in trouble, is one of the only legitimate reasons to fly under the stage in my opinion. I do it with MK, hell, even Charizard if I can get the right angle for it.

[EDIT #2]

Using said tactic above for sheer epic scroogage (...lol) though? Not cool and breaks the fundamentals of how Smash Bros. plays. It's not about Meta Knight being dominant with priority/moves anymore. People are taking advantage of the SBR and TO's leniancy over planking and scrooging, and WINNING for it.

That, to me, has become the primary issue.

 

[Orion*]

pits glide is like a million times better. i cant explain it with that all that frame data **** ask pierce

tornado doesnt win entire matchups against any viable character any more than lasers do

otherwise with olimar and samus i was grasping for straws

edit: no we dont ban bananas. and we should ban EDC but **** it different discussion

 

[N.A.G.A.C.E]

pits glide is faster but MK glide attack is better

 

[theunabletable]

Planking goes against what a fighting game (no matter how unconventional it may be for Smash) is about.

Subjective.

I could make the same claim for kneeling in Football, too.

It is a form of stalling that is too difficult to monitor constantly, as is scrooging. The second that someone flies under the stage, the opponent could pause the game, call them out on "scrooging" and it creates a terrible vibe and rule of banning that. Rather then just ban the source of it all, Meta Knight.

Couldn't Pit do it too?

Ban Peach in Melee because she can time people out by endlessly bombering against a wall; because it's so difficult to tell the difference between bombing a wall/flying under the stage a few times for recovery than doing it for 8 minutes to win!

"Goes against what a fighting game is" is 100% subjective. Why should we use your definition of what a "fighting game is" to base our rules off of?

pits glide is faster but MK glide attack is better

People need to start scrooging as Pit.

 

[Dark.Pch]

Hmm...well, therein lies another problem! Planking is a very powerful technique, however! Is it ban-worthy?

Something that is extremely effective, such as planking, doesn't necessarily make it ban worthy! If you use that logic, this applies to MK as well. MK is very good, but ban worthy? It is very hard to determine whether or not something is ban worthy. Simply using the excuse "but it's so gay though," and "its so cheap," does not a ban make!

Not to mention, we lack a general consensus of what should be deemed "ban worthy." However, I am not without sympathy for you, Dark.Pch, as I find planking to be as distasteful as my Dad's pasta (which...isn't very good. Hah!)

I still dont get it. Meta has been talked about for over a year about banning him. To a point there be nothing but metas in tournies winning or filling up top ten. He is the best in the game and broken. And now he is giving the power to plank and be even more or a pain. And I am pretty sure people have been planked/gayed out or have done it with meta many times. And I can't recall times when it has been beaten. Games nearly been out for 2 years now. And once planking and all this gay stuff with meta (and other characters as well) as been found, people have been doing it.

I'm sorry but I dont see an excuse as to why people are still unsure why it would be bann worthy or not. This has be done many times to get the idea of it's true destruction for this game and screwing over alot of characters to be used. To a point all matches are just gonna be nothing but meta dittos. And my expample with M2k doing this to 8 people should seriously seal the deal since the start of planking. I don't see after all this time, what is it that people need to seriously see how stupid all this is.

 

[Dekar173]

MK's glide gives much more vertical, his "glidebombing" AT though more difficult, is just as effective, and he has 2 glides, Pit has 1- MK's downB glide cancel is also better than Pit's.

@Orion- Alright, let's talk about Tornado and laser in doubles.

Oh wait, lasers suck *** in doubles, whereas Tornado is a godsend.

Tornado is better.

 

[Kuraudo]

Never said that you guys had to follow my definition or beliefs. They're out there in the open for people to object or applaud, that's all.

Pit flies under the stage, but suffers from not having the plethora of options AS he does it, as MK does. If someone tried to chase Pit while he was flying under the stage, they'd have more success against him, unlike Meta Knight. Who could glide attack, cancel the glide, into all four of his B moves that, withstanding, have immense priority. Not to mention all of his standard aerials since he has so many jumps.

 

[theunabletable]

To a point all matches are just gonna be nothing but meta dittos.

We aren't even close to that yet.

Why should we assume that'll happen?

@Orion- Alright, let's talk about Tornado and laser in doubles.

Oh wait, lasers suck *** in doubles, whereas Tornado is a godsend.

Tornado is better in doubles.

Fixed.

 

[Dark.Pch]

We aren't even close to that yet.

Why should we assume that'll happen?

When people that play and care about money finally get tired of all this Planking/gay crap with meta and realize how stupid it is, the only way to win is to use meta.

 

[Dekar173]

We aren't even close to that yet.

Why should we assume that'll happen? Fixed.

If they're roughly equal in singles, but Tornado is better in Doubles, Tornado is better.

 

[BarDulL]

Planking goes against what a fighting game (no matter how unconventional it may be for Smash) is about. It is a form of stalling that is too difficult to monitor constantly, as is scrooging. The second that someone flies under the stage, the opponent could pause the game, call them out on "scrooging" and it creates a terrible vibe and rule of banning that. Rather then just ban the source of it all, Meta Knight.

64/Melee/Brawl are all fighting games. MK breaks that norm with all that he's allowed to get away with.

Personally, either the SBR REALLY cracks down on planking and scrooging (to which if you're caught doing it once, you're finished for that fight as they are BANNED moves potentially), or they get rid of the major hassle of it all to begin with, and ban Meta Knight altogether.

One of many reasons listed. Oh hey, Hylian's right. Everything I've said? SAID BEFORE!

...

and yet here I am. ._.

Hmm...well, as much as I would like to agree that it is a form of stalling, read this!
====
Hmm...well, your first question is a little complicated. Is MK re-grabbing the ledge for 8 minutes "stalling"? You could see it that way, however, what if by re-grabbing the ledge over and over, MK is simply "putting himself in an advantageous position?" Truth is, MK is quite good on the ledge, mainly because of the mechanics of the character. He isn't intentionally stalling, per se, rather he is simply putting himself in the most advantageous position possible. Is there anything wrong with that? It's sort of like how, in brawl, Marth players will sit in the middle of the stage so that the chances of getting punished/gimped are slim. That is why it is very difficult to define "planking" as "stalling."
====

According to our official rule set, and despite what you may believe, those techniques aren't covered by our stalling rule! To make matters worse, we have also neglected to add any rules pertaining "planking" and "scrooging." These rules were implemented by TOs, not by the BBR. It has become a common misconception that we have banned planking/scrooging, but that is not the case! Therefore, we can not "crack down on planking and scrooging," as it were.

However, I do understand what you are saying. It is rather agitating dealing with both of these tactics, and it would be very difficult to moderate matches 24/7. Banning the source of it all would be the easiest thing to do, but that doesn't mean it is the fairest! We shall see.

 

[Orion*]

Fixed.

thank you, you saved me a longer reply LOL.

if mk could SHDL instead of tornado im pretty sure i would be pro ban right now

btw dash attack > nado in doubles in a LOT of situations. but im talking about singles atm

 

[Kuraudo]

Also. Madness.

here's a problem with Peach's bomber recovery against a wall in Melee.. Once they get in range? Inbetween bombers, anyone with a brain just wouldn't let it continue. And Peach would end up getting spiked or something.

 

[Hylian]

Also. Madness.

here's a problem with Peach's bomber recovery against a wall in Melee.. Once they get in range? Inbetween bombers, anyone with a brain just wouldn't let it continue. And Peach would end up getting spiked or something.

Peach bomber recovery is legal in melee...

Peach bomber stall is banned.

 

[theunabletable]

When people that play and care about money finally get tired of all this Planking/gay crap with meta and realize how stupid it is, the only way to win is to use meta.

Ban MK when that happens, then.

BUT THAT HASN'T HAPPENED YET

If they're roughly equal in singles, but Tornado is better in Doubles, Tornado is better.

I'd say lasers are better in singles.

So his tornado being the best neutral B attack in the game if you only if you count both doubles, too, is evidence for him being broken in singles? I mean most of the complaints about him are about how good he is in singles, what's the point of adding something that only counts in doubles?

here's a problem with Peach's bomber recovery against a wall in Melee.. Once they get in range? Inbetween bombers, anyone with a brain just wouldn't let it continue. And Peach would end up getting spiked or something.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QB_p-rnAjo

Why is there no controversy of whether or not he was stalling with it, or just recovering with it? I mean M2K uses the EDC once in a tournament match where he didn't even stall, but people STILL bring that up.

Why is it so **** difficult to realize the difference between those kind of things?

 

[Dekar173]

thank you, you saved me a longer reply LOL.

if mk could SHDL instead of tornado im pretty sure i would be pro ban right now

btw dash attack > nado in doubles in a LOT of situations. but im talking about singles atm

Tell that to M2K, you know, the #1 MK main in the world. Tornado, when used properly, creates a free set-up for your partner on nearly the entire cast.

M2K > you in doubles and in a LOT of different standard tourneys. but im talking about overall atm

Ban MK when that happens, then.

BUT THAT HASN'T HAPPENED YET I'd say lasers are better in singles.

So his tornado being the best neutral B attack in the game if you only if you count both doubles, too, is evidence for him being broken in singles? I mean most of the complaints about him are about how good he is in singles, what's the point of adding something that only counts in doubles?

You're overestimating lasers. Powershield- it's gone, and your shield hasn't deteriorated whatsoever.

Also, um... do you ever play Doubles? MK is EVEN MORE of a problem in Doubles, it's just that you have a teammate to help you in that case, so you feel less overwhelmed.

 

[Kuraudo]

Peach bomber recovery is legal in melee...

Peach bomber stall is banned.

Oh I never specified, did I?

Sorry. I do play Melee. Forgive me, I'm not a scrub. xD;;

I was just talking about how unconventional Peach Bomber Recovering is, in my opinion, when you could just get owned for it. Stalling with it is obviously banned. XD;

 

[Dark.Pch]

Ban MK when that happens, then.

BUT THAT HASN'T HAPPENED YET

So hold on. If he was to get banned cause people doing this, but not banning him in general du to the fact people can do it but dont is legit?

Wether people do it or not, the fact is that the option is still there. Does not excuse the fact the the tactic is broken to a point that if people wanna win, they have to go all meta. And if they did, other characters would not be playable anymore, then they have to bann it.

I find this silly. There is no excuse here for this.

 

[Orion*]

Tell that to M2K, you know, the #1 MK main in the world. Tornado, when used properly, creates a free set-up for your partner on nearly the entire cast.

M2K > you in doubles and in a LOT of different standard tourneys. but im talking about overall atm

1)i said in a LOT of situations. m2k plays differently than i do, he is aggressive and in that situation yes it is better.

2)i am defensive. if i am supporting my teamate and he gets grabbed (example) dash attacking through everything resets the situation better than tornado.

3)dont tell about jason, ive played him more than most people have. just because he is the best does not mean he does the best options, he is just merely smarter than everyone else.

 

[theunabletable]

Tell that to M2K, you know, the #1 MK main in the world. Tornado, when used properly, creates a free set-up for your partner on nearly the entire cast.

In doubles.

What does it being amazing in doubles have to do with how broken MK is in singles (since that's where this stupid "ban MK" ****storm started).

No other pro-ban brings up doubles stuff, why do that now and throw it in with singles stuff?

I was just talking about how unconventional Peach Bomber Recovering is, in my opinion, when you could just get owned for it.

It happens though, look at the video I linked to above.

Stalling with it is obviously banned.

How can people tell the difference between stalling with it and recovering with it when people can't tell the difference between gliding under the stage for 8 minute for stalling or recovery (this can be applied to IDC/EDC, too, btw)?

So hold on. If he was to get banned cause people doing this, but not banning him in general du to the fact people can do it but dont is legit?

Wether people do it or not, the fact is that the option is still there. Does not excuse the fact the the tactic is broken to a point that if people wanna win, they have to go all meta. And if they did, other characters would not be playable anymore, then they have to bann it.

I find this silly. There is no excuse here for this.

I need to SEE that it is dominant first. M2K has no problem with playing gay as hell (and neither do a lot of MKs), so why isn't he winning every single tournament if it is so broken?

If it ever gets to the point where you have to plank to win, I will be on pro-ban side.

But that HAS NOT HAPPENED.

I don't want "it could happen so ban MK", I need to see it happen.

 

[Dekar173]

1)i said in a LOT of situations. m2k plays differently than i do, he is aggressive and in that situation yes it is better.

2)i am defensive. if i am supporting my teamate and he gets grabbed (example) dash attacking through everything resets the situation better than tornado.

3)dont tell about jason, ive played him more than most people have. just because he is the best does not mean he does the best options, he is just merely smarter than everyone else.

I wasn't comparing MK's Dash Attack to his Tornado, I was comparing Falco's neutral B, lasers, to MK's, Tornado.

Lasers in doubles are often a hindrance, and much more difficult to utilize (oftentimes, useless) whereas Tornado is ONE OF THE BEST Doubles moves in the game.



If we're banning MK, I don't see why it wouldn't be a universal Singles/Doubles ban.

 

[Orion*]

the fact that you argued that mk being able to run away with lasers is worse than mk tornadoing makes me honestly think youre trolling. even if you got the % lead, mk would NEVER have to approach EVER, he would outcamp everyone but falco or pit with projectiles not even any of the bannable stuff

im not talking about doubles. it doesnt take a doubles genius to know lasers suck in doubles. SINGLES NOW

edit, i honestly think is more broken in doubles than singles but w/e

 

[Dekar173]

In doubles.

What does it being amazing in doubles have to do with how broken MK is in singles (since that's where this stupid "ban MK" ****storm started).

No other pro-ban brings up doubles stuff, why do that now and throw it in with singles stuff? It happens though, look at the video I linked to above. How can people tell the difference between stalling with it and recovering with it when people can't tell the difference between gliding under the stage for 8 minute for stalling or recovery (this can be applied to IDC/EDC, too, btw)? You're literally too ******** to insult, but I'll try anyway. Do you seriously take 8 entire minutes to recover? Cause my little brother has played this game less than 10 times ever, and he doesn't even take that long to do so. I need to SEE that it is dominant first. M2K has no problem with playing gay as hell (and neither do a lot of MKs), so why isn't he winning every single tournament if it is so broken? M2K sucks against Diddy, unlike every other match-up this particular one takes a LOT of work to understand/get good at. The instant you DO get good at the match-up though, MK has the advantage.

If it ever gets to the point where you have to plank to win, I will be on pro-ban side.
What an extreme view.

But that HAS NOT HAPPENED.
It won't, either.

I don't want "it could happen so ban MK", I need to see it happen.

How about you prove that Planking isn't broken, and then we can unban it!

 

[Orion*]

How about you prove that Planking isn't broken, and then we can unban it!

we honestly banned it before it proved to be broken

 

[Dark.Pch]

I need to SEE that it is dominant first. M2K has no problem with playing gay as hell (and neither do a lot of MKs), so why isn't he winning every single tournament if it is so broken?

Cause he is to busy losing to Diddy kong who by now he can't stand to deal with just like melee jiggs. And from what I been hearing from meta and diddy players. Meta beats Diddy (even if it is not by that much.) And I believe all the melee characters he uses Beats melee jiggs?

Diddy is about the only character he loses too. And ADHD is the only diddy he has been losing too as of now. And thier win record is even from what I saw. 3-3 If ADHD is not at a tourny or has not beaten M2K at that tourny, who is kicking his *** if he decided to be straight gay. Ally would be runner up to take out M2k and M2k gayed him out at pound 4

Again there is no excuse. People have not done this crap yet cause they wont go down to that level and make this game more broken and then having a boring tourny filled with a bunch of meta knights wanting money.

 

[Dekar173]

the fact that you argued that mk being able to run away with lasers is worse than mk tornadoing makes me honestly think youre trolling. even if you got the % lead, mk would NEVER have to approach EVER, he would outcamp everyone but falco or pit with projectiles not even any of the bannable stuff

Lasers + Phantasm make Falco absolutely amazing at keepaway. MK's tornado is a great move by itself.

im not talking about doubles. it doesnt take a doubles genius to know lasers suck in doubles. SINGLES NOW

edit, i honestly think is more broken in doubles than singles but w/e

Yes, he IS more broken in Doubles.

You describe MK as broken, but not bannable? Strange.



Orion- planking is unpunishable. Unpunishable like IDC unpunishable. IDC is banned, because it can be theoretically used to indefinitely stall out a match the INSTANT you get a 1% lead. Planking is a slightly more difficult equivalent.

Again, you're grasping for straws. Go play against a friend and prove that planking is without a doubt, punishable (oh wait, you can't, because it's not!)

Seriously though, you going out and finding a way to punish planking would INSTANTLY reverse the ban, WHEREAS you're asking every TO out there to allow MANY MANY MANY matches to be timed out (where money is on the line) over a LONG period of time in order to prove that planking is broken.

Do you know how stupid that proposition is?

 

[Kuraudo]

I think his stance on Meta Knight is that he's over-powered, but not enough to be broken.

Broken's the wrong term.

 

[Orion*]

You describe MK as broken, but not bannable? Strange.

ive been pro ban before its not like im not open minded rofl, but in all honesty your just looking for something to post to make it seem like im messing up my own argument. people say "broken" all the time used in a casual context. read through this thread, im not the most serious guy.

but hey you know what, just for you ill be like.

MK IS COMPLETELY BROKEN. 7:3s EVERYONE IN THE CAST!

im sure they will ban him now! oh wait, no they wont

i think he is overcetralizing doubles though. its either. gimmick teams. double mks. or mks with top tier character. mk + top tier being the best usually

edit: when planking WAS legal, i played falco and lost many many many many sets to it. teh spammerer taught me how to play this game. all he would do is gay me over and over again.

this frustrated me to the point where i did drop falco and i picked up metaknight.

but i feel that it never truly was explored. everyone just gave up, like i originally did and banned it for the easy way out.

 

[theunabletable]

You're literally too ******** to insult, but I'll try anyway. Do you seriously take 8 entire minutes to recover? Cause my little brother has played this game less than 10 times ever, and he doesn't even take that long to do so.

Of COURSE I don't take 8 minutes to recover...

You completely missed the point of my post.

People say that it's hard to factually tell the difference between using IDC as a mixup than to stall (which is the reason why it's banned), but they can tell the difference between using the peach bomber to stall and recover.

I think it's ironic when a mod flames me by calling me ********.

M2K sucks against Diddy, unlike every other match-up this particular one takes a LOT of work to understand/get good at. The instant you DO get good at the match-up though, MK has the advantage.

Hasn't happened, yet.

What an extreme view.

And an extreme view is wrong, why?

It won't, either.

Then what's the problem?

How about you prove that Planking isn't broken, and then we can unban it!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burden_of_proof

Burden of proof is on you to show us that it is completely broken.

And I believe all the melee characters he uses Beats melee jiggs?

Theoretically, sure. Practically? Obviously not.

ICs theoretically have 100-0 matchups on the entire cast, but hypothetical doesn't matter at all.

Again there is no excuse. People have not done this crap yet cause they wont go down to that level and make this game more broken and then having a boring tourny filled with a bunch of meta knights wanting money.

If it never happens, then it's not a problem. If it begins to happen and it's bannable, it's a problem and he should be banned.

Instead of making hypothetical claims about how broken it is, how about you SHOW US ALL how completely broken it is to get MK banned?

I mean if it's as broken as you say it is (considering it's a rather easy tactic to do) it shouldn't be hard at all to do, right?

 

[Orion*]

matchups are all hypothetical numbers and opinions. all we need to know is that is it reasonable for another character to win against mk, past that its pretty useless to debate in this thread. no matter what other people will view the matchup differently.

edit: LOL mods on aib are far worse but yeah, mods do stuff like that al the time ^^^

 

[Dekar173]

Of COURSE I don't take 8 minutes to recover...

You completely missed the point of my post.

People say that it's hard to factually tell the difference between using IDC as a mixup than to stall (which is the reason why it's banned), but they can tell the difference between using the peach bomber to stall and recover.

I think it's ironic when a mod flames me by calling me ********. Hasn't happened, yet. And an extreme view is wrong, why? Then what's the problem? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burden_of_proof

Burden of proof is on you to show us that it is completely broken. Theoretically, sure. Practically? Obviously not.

ICs theoretically have 100-0 matchups on the entire cast, but hypothetical doesn't matter at all. If it never happens, then it's not a problem. If it begins to happen and it's bannable, it's a problem and he should be banned.

Instead of making hypothetical claims about how broken it is, how about you SHOW US ALL how completely broken it is to get MK banned?

I mean if it's as broken as you say it is (considering it's a rather easy tactic to do) it shouldn't be hard at all to do, right?

planking is unpunishable. Unpunishable like IDC unpunishable. IDC is banned, because it can be theoretically used to indefinitely stall out a match the INSTANT you get a 1% lead. Planking is a slightly more difficult equivalent.

Again, you're grasping for straws. Go play against a friend and prove that planking is without a doubt, punishable (oh wait, you can't, because it's not!)

Seriously though, you going out and finding a way to punish planking would INSTANTLY reverse the ban, WHEREAS you're asking every TO out there to allow MANY MANY MANY matches to be timed out (where money is on the line) over a LONG period of time in order to prove that planking is broken.

Do you know how stupid that proposition is?

copy pasted for the illiterate.

tl;dr it makes a LOT more sense for "pro plank/stall/scrooge/scream in opponent's ears" to prove that these things aren't in fact broken, than it does for TOs who can clearly see why it is broken to prove THEIR case.

There is no law governing over your life on whether you MUST follow the SBR ruleset, btw, so "burden of proof" is moot.

I'll admit, calling you ******** wasn't the nicest of things, but you're being ignorant to the point of trolling (something that can get you infracted!) so I apologize for that.

 

[Orion*]

IDC unpunishable. IDC is banned, because it can be theoretically used to indefinitely stall out a match the INSTANT you get a 1% lead.
There is no law governing over your life on whether you MUST follow the SBR ruleset, btw, so "burden of proof" is moot.

I'll admit, calling you ******** wasn't the nicest of things, but you're being ignorant to the point of trolling (something that can get you infracted!) so I apologize for that.

then why is EDC banned?

and LOL you both should be infracted. but mods dont get points usually for calling other people stuff like that. now make love and be friends