metaXzero
Smash Champion
His D-throw (the only good throw besides Up-throw) on several characters gets him N-aired in the face and Rested by Jiggs. Of course he's that bad. Q_Q
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Eggm
Smash Hero
I think ness is far worse than kirby or pichu lol.
Winston
Smash Master
Why are you telling me to chill O.o
My post seemed calm enough to me...
Alright, we'll agree to disagree then.
@fletch:
Normally that's exactly the reasoning I go by in determining tiers (examine matchups, with top and high tier matchups being much more heavily weighted).
In the case of Kirby vs Pichu though, determining whether one has a 15-85 vs the other's 20-80 or whatever vs a top or high tier isn't going to be especially relevant. If either of them had anything even approaching a 40-60 then maybe it would be.
So I think it's valid to point out that Pichu basically has no EVEN matchups, let alone favorable, while Kirby can hold his own in some of them. Or so I've been led to believe by the discussions on the character specific boards.
Fletch
Smash Master
Poor guy, I picked him up in SSB64 and can't believe the difference in Kirby between the games.
metaXzero
Smash Champion
Even after all these years, I'm still appalled ANYONE considered Kirby fine for ANY type of play (even casuals should be shocked when F-Smash sends their opponent UP with no killing ability, or when he loses all his jumps if knocked out of a throw, after using U-throw/F-throw, and and if knocked out of Final Cutter. Not to mention that you have to tipper a ****ing hammer to kill with it. and 2 throws are near useless...
/end slight rant.
/end slight rant.
... Don't play Kirby?
Learn2TopTier
Lol j/k, play whoever you feel comfortable with.
Just don't complain if you lose (not directed at you).
joeplicate
Smash Master
I think that "appalled" is a strong choice of words
you get appalled very easily
you get appalled very easily
MikeHaggarTHAKJB
Smash Master
last time I checked 4 of his throws are nearly useless
Winston
Smash Master
Come on now, 1 of his throws doesn't put you in disadvantaged position immediately afterwards xD
metaXzero
Smash Champion
U-throw's the only "always safe" throw (guarantees SOME damage and doesn't set him up to get aerialed). And D-throw is useful against only FastFallers.
So it's 2/3 useless throws.
handsockpuppet
Smash Lord
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I agree. all my noob friends say, "Pichu does damage on himself! He should be bottom!", though really the small amount of damage is nothing. that said, the only thing real thing going for him is his slightly legitimate grabs. But Kirby is slow and near useless. the reason why Kirby isn't, and never has been, the very bottom is because for whatever reason there are tons of Kirby mains (either people were too into him in SB64 or they just like him). though it's strange to see these rants from a Kirby main.
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I'm pretty sure most players who main bottom/low tier characters realize their characters are ****ty. Gimpy does, lol.
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Aria♪
My main is low tier... and my secondary is the worst character in the game, lol.
SpruceTengu
Smash Journeyman
This tier list looks **** good to me, I'm gonna be honest. I'm also a tad iffy on the Doc/Gannon thing, but I'm not about to make a big deal out of it, their placement isn't going to change who or how I play. I was also surprised to see Fox so even with Marth after M2K's horrorshow of perfection, but again I can see it. Furthermore, are we legit making this a -final- tier list?
I have got a business plan and I want to start my own business but equipment is so expensive. So I am looking for a business grant. I have heard about those grants all the time but can't find any information on them. I don't want to buy the book that tells you, I want the actual information, website or name of companies and to know how to go about getting them. Does anyone have any information on how to get them? Thank you so in advance.
metaXzero
Smash Champion
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
i like this post i wanna sig it
and i dunno go make a thread
Tier List is good, for the most part.
Of course Yoshi is low, because only dedicated mainers can learn how to master him. He's not the best character ever, but he can be deadly in the right hands.
<3
And wow, Kirby is pretty low lol.
And how all of his grabs are worthless. :\
Of course Yoshi is low, because only dedicated mainers can learn how to master him. He's not the best character ever, but he can be deadly in the right hands.
<3
And wow, Kirby is pretty low lol.
And how all of his grabs are worthless. :\
Meta, you fail for thinking Bthrow is in any way useless.
Miztik
Smash Master
metaXzero
Smash Champion
Once they are past the "breakout" percentage, puts your opponent closer to the edge for a potential edgeguard? Their is that when your opponent doesn't poke or camp you when you're near an edge (most people have wisened up to Kirby edge tactics in my area).
I just never really get to use B-throw for anything besides damage anymore. People will gay me into approaching. Doesn't help that B-throw just isn't that great (better then Brawl's at least).
goateeguy
Smash Ace
really? i've found that with ness you can actually do some stuff as long as you're still on the stage. a few minorly good aerials, the bat, dash attack has good range. kirby is just lag incarnate and pichu hurts himself with his own moves
there's this thing called 'google' that you can use to find forums on finances. or, for someone who really wants to go the extra mile, you could even just google 'business grant'. i know, it's a lot to take in, just breath, and remember, the sudden swellings in your head will decrease in severity after you reach IQ 40 or so. good luck with that
hizzlum
Smash Journeyman
lol judging by ur join date, ur a marth fan boy who is simply posting cuz ur characters is high on the list.
It was a good idea for the SBR to make a new tier list since the penultimate one since m2k started winning a lot w/ marth after that list came out, also its pretty obvious that a major factor in the rising of jiggs is based on Pound 3/the one and only mango(i saw him play doubles at WCSL, dude he is still beast)
I think that the top tier is by a general consenus of the melee community preety accurate, even if you dont like the placement, it is obvious those characters are the 4 best in tourney play.
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
Jigglypuff is a homo character.
edit: Like, super homo.
edit: Like, super homo.
hizzlum
Smash Journeyman
Ken begs to differ, haha
The peach theory is about homo mains
=/= jiggs a homo character, mango is not homo, he beat m2k, king aint a homo, he one of best in norcal and part of DBR
Have you ever seen King? Like, in person? He could eat you.
Grunt
Smash Master
all the cool people have goatees.
D:
D:
I have a goatee
hizzlum...you're from cali arent you?
Sybawave
Smash Ace
Lulz @ King XD
And I just recently learned that Ken's Peach Theory was like literally true lol
I thought it was just based on Peach's playing style but then I found out XD
And I just recently learned that Ken's Peach Theory was like literally true lol
I thought it was just based on Peach's playing style but then I found out XD
Grunt
Smash Master
thesage
Smash Hero
If you second Peach and main a low tier, does that mean you're bi?
ummm...
how do you get that by my join date?
if someone had joined a year earlier and posted the same reply that i did would it mean something different?
it merely means that...
yes, i main marth.
and yes,
i was happy to see him at the top of the list.
funny thing is is that this "marth fan boy" could probably mob you so quick with marth that it'd make your head spin.
so i'll say it again... for old times sake.
MARTH FTW!
Sybawave
Smash Ace
Join date has nothing to do with how experienced they are lol you'd be surprised at how many amazing players don't post on here.
philbobjoe
Smash Journeyman
Like Silent Spectre.
Silent Spectre has a join date of 2004.
philbobjoe
Smash Journeyman
He said many amazing players don't post here often, so I mentioned Silent Spectre as an example.
Sybawave
Smash Ace
I think your quote is a lie lol I was surprised when someone told me Jeff said that lol I was like hahaha gud1...n00b XD
Then he pulled it out lol
All my friends don't post on here but dang they're super awesome! lulz
Then he pulled it out lol
All my friends don't post on here but dang they're super awesome! lulz
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