Official MBR 2010 NTSC Tier List

[rhan]

Maybe we'll see some more low tier development soon.

Best believe that. Especially with all these low tier players going to Pound.

 

[Roneblaster]

KK is possible of all things, at all times.

 

[x After Dawn x]

reneblade is possible of all things, including losing matches because he dropzones shy guys

 

[Roneblaster]

im not possible of winning matches, dont get me too much credit.

engrish mother ****er, do you speak it?!

 

[Mariofan12]

I'm like this tier list for the most part. I would put Ness a bit higher and tie Doc, Ganon and Samus, but I like the rest.

 

[KAOSTAR]

reneblade is possible of all things, including losing matches because he dropzones shy guys

You better have some sort of substance abuse john for this one lol.

 

[Roneblaster]

**** u bro, **** u.

 

[Youngling]

I think young link has a ton of potential, it just doesnt have someone like taj or scorp to help.

 

[Nicknyte]

Pichu is better than kirby. WTF

 

[Rubyiris]

Pichu is better than kirby. WTF

This guy knows wassup.

 

[rhan]

I think young link has a ton of potential, it just doesnt have someone like taj or scorp to help.

Laijin and I are trying to fix.

And if Vanz would give the little guy some more shine you guys would know how amazing he can be against the most surprising characters.

 

[x After Dawn x]

like who...? asides from puff and i guess peach

 

[Ocean]

puff and falcon most noticeably, and then peach.

 

[Laijin]

Laijin and I are trying to fix.

And if Vanz would give the little guy some more shine you guys would know how amazing he can be against the most surprising characters.

eh idk. the only way to fix this is to play Young Link more, and more often than not I play Sheik cause its a lot easier and a lot less work and effort. Young Link and most low tiers are mentally exhausting lol. Not much elaborate thought goes into playing Sheik.

 

[rhan]

I wanna say Peach/Jiggs especially. Falcon is either way.


Laijin: I strive for a challenge. I like working towards a respectful goal. Which is why I stick to playing Young Link.

 

[Sraigux]

I don't know about doc being higher than ganon. I guess maybe the mobility. But I'm not convinced

 

[thesage]

Doesn't Falcon **** combo Young Link.

 

[choknater]

ylink isnt that bad against falcon, he has a lot of good tools in close range

 

[Merkuri]

I don't know why people argue with Laijin about Young Link. He doesn't even use YL in tournament, he is always going Shiek.

 

[thesage]

I've actually played Laijin's YL, it's not too bad, but it's not wtfamazing. I think we had like 2 close matches.

Then again what can I say. His shiek would probably **** me and I suck balls.

 

[Ocean]

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[BigWenz]

I don't know why people argue with Laijin about Young Link. He doesn't even use YL in tournament, he is always going Shiek.

this is false. he went ylink against doll at the last syhers. and he has gone yl at other tournies. granted it wasnt all yl but he does use him in tourny.

 

[Roneblaster]

low tiers that do well vs falcon?

whoda thunk it.

 

[Odessa]

Yoshi does decently against Jigglypuff.

Anything is possible in the grand world of Melee.

 

[Rostigalen]

Ask leffen for his thoughts on Yoshi's matchups. I think you'll find that Yoshi apparently does more than "decently" in most top tier match-ups. ;D

 

[hungrybox]

true word spoken

 

[Divinokage]

I'm going to disagree, people just don't know the matchups and that's why they lose.

 

[Exelcior]

i was going to say you're actually stupid but then i realized you're new

I was going to say why but then I realized you're one of those stuck up *******es who thinks that having lots of posts makes them smart and make the smash community worse.

 

[x After Dawn x]

u mad?

 

[KAOSTAR]

I'm going to disagree, people just don't know the matchups and that's why they lose.

Wise words from the warrior.

 

[Exelcior]

u mad?

Yes. I secretly like Canadians and I can't get over it.

 

[thesage]

Yoshi is horrible and loses to camp so easily. Just throw turnips at the giant green vegetable-dinosaur-dragon thing and you win.

But he does have a good matchup vs. Jigglypuff.

 

[rhan]

I'm going to disagree, people just don't know the matchups and that's why they lose.

OH MAN! LIEK JiGGLYPUFF? OMG!

So by this logic instead of making her third best because of her tourney appreance and winning how about we put her in her proper place. Because obviously she's only winning tourneys because you guys don't know the match-up.

She's definitely not better then Sheik or Marth. And if anything she's on par with Marth but not my much.

 

[Laijin]

I'm going to disagree, people just don't know the matchups and that's why they lose.

Pretty much.
Jigglypuff doesn't **** campy characters like Link, Young Link, Fox, etc etc while her other top tier counter parts do, making her below Sheik, Falco, Fox and probably even Marth.

But hey. This tier list isn't about match ups right? Its all about pure tournament placement. I mean, who wants a tier list based on accurate information like MUs? Naaah. Thats completely silly.

 

[t3h Icy]

I mean, who wants a tier list based on accurate information like MUs?

lol .

 

[Laijin]

lol .

Its just that every other community bases their tier lists off of MUs. Smash isn't that much different that we can't do the same except our community is also full of..well..I'm not even gonna say the word.

 

[KAOSTAR]

Its just that every other community bases their tier lists off of MUs. Smash isn't that much different that we can't do the same except our community is also full of..well..I'm not even gonna say the word.

I feel you on that, but smash has alot more influence from the stage and cps than pretty much any other fighter.

not to mention, we seemed to have failed as a community at least 3 times recently lol on creating some sort of official MU chart. So you are asking the MBR to base their tier list off of something that we dont have.

Get a MU chart accurately completed b4 you try to use it as structural integrity in another build lol.

 

[Laijin]

I feel you on that, but smash has alot more influence from the stage and cps than pretty much any other fighter.

not to mention, we seemed to have failed as a community at least 3 times recently lol on creating some sort of official MU chart. So you are asking the MBR to base their tier list off of something that we dont have.

Get a MU chart accurately completed b4 you try to use it as structural integrity in another build lol.

Just as the MBR created this tier list, why can't they create a MU chart? I agree with CP Stages having heavy influences, but character counter picks have as much influence as any other fighter. Besides, its not like smash is the only game with stage influences. In 3D fighters like Tekken, whether or not a stage has a wall, how big the stage is, if it has a breakable floor, etc etc all factors into how good each character plays on that stage vs another one. So stage CPs exist in other fighters as well. We must not get ahead of ourselves and think smash is super different from other fighters when they really share a lot of similarities.

 

[Deleted member]

match-ups neither tell us how good the character is in tournament nor are they objective fact. the only reason to use them over tournament results is that "other fighting game communities do it" and if you're really stuck on that then just go play those games or post in their tier threads.

 

[Laijin]

match-ups neither tell us how good the character is in tournament nor are they objective fact.

Explain why you believe this is true. Why wouldn't basing how good a character is against all the other characters in the game say how good they are in tournament? Last time I checked thats what the game is about. One character facing off against another character.