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None of those characters are better then Marth. The only character that you could make a case for being better is Dedede. That's it.
This. With R.O.B and Toon Link just underneath them.
stutter stepping >.>
i say jiggz or ganon
I feel you on that one, but then again, I main Kirby so I shouldn't have a tough time with that match. My opinion is more than likely a product of never playing a good Dedede player however. I personally think that GaW should get the third spot. Tourney results are good for making tier lists up until a point. You have to realize that King Dedede is much more of a crowd pleaser than GaW and will therefore have a larger following. Don't forget that many people were quick to banish GaW back down to the low tier at the beginning of the release, but a few die hards brought him all the way up here. King Dedede was overplayed from the beginning.
are you kidding me? D3's recovery is amazing and with proper timing his ground game is very formidable. you must not be playing the right D3s
Using that logic, Ike has the best Fsmash in the game, it can kill around 50%. Being a fan of the Kirby series, I love how it was implemented into Brawl, but as a player it really only serves as a mindgame for those trying to spotdoge his CG, but instead are met with a fat penguin crush to the face. Other than that, you will get punished severely if you use Dedede's dash attack
I think the reasons you may state could be part (along with other reasons) why he's in high tier in the first place, and the disadvantages they state is why he is kept from being top tier.
It's a once in a match move that can be used to punish someone who has tripped, but most of the time it is situational. Regardless DDD's dash attack has immense power that few other dash attacks have, right now I believe the best dash attack goes to falco beacuse his combos well and is a good approach(bombsoldier start off tons of combos with the dash attack), but when the time is right DDD's will get one kill in a match if used wisely and not spammed during the entire match. It should never be used more than once in a match but it will at most times guarantee the kill at 70% or higher
A once in a match move is never going to be ranked the best, ever. If it has such a specific use, then its not good. I'll use Kirby as an example. Kirby has one of the best bairs in the game. It has good KO potential, high priority, low lag, and can even WoP at low percentages. Kirby has one of the worst dash attacks in the game (it looked good at first but it really sucks) assuming that you hit with it, it can be easily DI'd out of and leaves very noticeable lag. In the case of Dedede's dash attack, it's not good by this logic. Though the knockback is excellent, it suffers from a large amount of start-up and cool down lag. This means that he may not even get it off, or he will get punished afterwards. Falco is also a great case of a good dash attack due to dash canceling. It can lead to combos, be dash canceled and even if shielded, a dash cancel will push you far enough back to ensure Falco's safety from excessive repercussion. The specificity of Dedede's dash attack makes it a very bad choice in most situations and therefore a bad move.
First of all: Every single one I named have projectiles where Marth doesn't.
Your right, DDD's dash attack is way too situatinal compared to falco's and others, its a situational KO move that wont be used much in metagame., thanks for clearing it up though
I'm not talking about Meta Knight in that post now am I? I'm talking about those characters vs Marth.
I am aware that you're talking about Marth, but the way you word it is like"I have a projectile and you don't and therefore you are inferior". So yeah, MK is one w/o a projectile.
Marth's F-smash was considered the best in melee and that doesent change much in brawl, you must be used to hitting non-tipper f-smashes with marth, beacuse a tipper with the f-smash is a kill at 80% if your opponent doesent DI extremly well. BTW marth's tipper f-smash kill a popo that is alone a 0%(this is true if your opponent does no DI well). Marth's Fsmash is quick, amazing range, and very powerful with a little bit of lag.
What are you talking about? His ftilt is as ranged as DK's ftilt, if not more ranged. His dtilt has a little knockback for those who get close enough to him. His utilt is pretty good, too. His jab is pretty good, and ranged. I don't know who you're playing, but Dedede's ground game DOESN'T suck. However, I don't think he'd be third best.
If Marth DI's unbelievably well, he might be able to recover from just about anything, depending on the stage. If he doesn't have the height, he won't be able to B his way back and then upB.....he's easily edgehogged in this situation. Also, if he loses his jump off the side, he's more or less gimped, since the player can just make for the ledge for the hog.
You make it sound so easy, you're talking about a machine-perfect Marth against some nub characters. TL keeps pace with Marth in close range, despite the slight range disadvantage, because TL's attacks are very quick, have some combo potential, setup potential, and knockback. Also, TL has more than arrows, and a good TL knows how to use all his projectiles in a manner that's defensive and forces the opponent into situations that they don't want to be in.
Oh, I hit tippers fairly often in Melee and I'll agree that Marth's sword is beastly... In Melee.
I never said Marth had a bad recovery. All I said was that Dedede's was better.
S tier = snake tier? you gotta be kidding Its gonna be Star Fox Tier =)
regardless of what the cause of his loss of range is, that is what happened. That's what the programmers decided to do.
