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Who says I completely base matchups solely on that chart? I and the SFR are planning to do our very own research on matchups, and see if we come to agreement on them. Some of the chart for certain characters is accurate, mostly because of people like Emblem Lord single handedly fixing said characters like Marth, but I agree a lot of that chart is kinda BS.
Im going to have to hook all my s*** up again but aiight sure. I'll let you know and i'll play you
That would be a great help
.Just wait for a few posts for people to bring up points against what you just said. I do believe that Mario deserves to be in low tier, but last time I said that everyone was on my *** about it. Mario does excel at edge guarding but he's average or below average at everything else. This includes ground game, air game, approach, camping, recovery, and KO's. His attacks in general lack in range, priority, damage, knock back, and they're only decent at speed. His match-ups are average at best and he's at a disadvantage more often than an advantage in most match-ups. I just don't see why he would be past low tier.
Dude, no-one cares if you're good at brawl or melee. You should just quit talking about Olimar right now b/c it's quite obvious that you haven't much experience versus any competent Olimar mainers with anyone other than MK. Show me some good matches of you versus a good olimar and then you can come in here and make arrogant comments about him.
Wrong, he has the longest. He can latch the stage from the bottom of the screen where you can't even see him. False dude, not fact. Everything you say isn't "fact" so quit being so arrogant about everything. I'm sure many other people are tired of some of the things you say too.
This is my exact opinion and, as an olimar main, I totally agree with everything he said.
Air approaches should never work unless they're multihit or the character has a fast jab that can interrupt Olimar's grab(such as nair>jab with shiek, with the foot of the nair hitting Olimar. He can't shieldgrab it)
Lol, citing the fact that once he's used his second jump, edge-hogging destroys his recovery reveals that he's never played a competent Olimar? Granted it's not quite as easy as he makes it out to be, but he is immensely easy to gimp.
He's just pointing out that olimar v MK is a particularly bad match-up for Olimar, beyond the vast majority of other characters. And nobody is suggesting he should be low tier.
Uhh... no. Way to make assumptions you worthless n00b.
tier lists don't tell you to use any characters. They are just guidelines to help you understand where the gaps are in character ability and who the best characters are. At the recreational level, tiers do not matter because tier lists take advanced techniques and tournament rules into account. At the recreational level, use whoever is most fun. At the tournament level, tier lists are merely to tell you who is tournament playable and who is not. They don't force you to play as anyone. Saying tiers are bad because they force you to play as certain people is like saying that classifying cars is bad because it tells people they are only allowed to drive the good cars. You should play/drive whatever or whoever you want.
I shouldn't have said some of those things. I apologize. Olimar doesn't really have that many recovery options if he loses his double jump. EL is making it seem like he can press the double jump button for his opponent. It's not hard to avoid the pressure to dj. In fact Olimar does better on the ground than in the air anyway, soo... why should he jump twice? If Olimar has his second double jump after getting hit hard and he doesn't get blown off the screen, he has several options. I'll name a few:
Chozen is the one I'm specifically pointing out by saying the last part of that comment. Too many people are putting him in mid tier below characters like Zelda, DK, Lucas, and even Mario-What the heck???
And what if it isn't? I'm not going to let someone say something dumb like that without giving them a piece of my mind. If it was just flame bait, then w/e. Like I care. If it wasn't, he'll learn to think before talking again... maybe >_>
IDK about my first post. Seriously, who does? I'm not some 30 year old you lives in my basement that goes on message boards from dawn til dusk (Not that's im saying you)
alright, i think you have redeemed yourself with this post. I wasnt the one who you were reffering too but i guess i was a little hard on you. However, the way you said it made it seem like you were just some noob who wanted to act smart by coming in here and saying something like that. Its apparent your not tho. I apologize for misjudging you.
Don't apologize. I'm just mad at someone like Coreygames who automatically judges people because of there first post.
I CONSTANTLY see Ikes and Sonics on Wi-fi, and he's presumed to be Low-Bottom Mid Tier.
Well... am I suppose to wait until someone drops thier e-balls before I correct them, even if it is way abrasive?
The top 5 people I've seen:
but seriously, maybe talk about tiers. I also have a question that might stimulate some conversation. Do you guys think that pikachu belongs at the bottom of the high tier (ROB, Marth, Falco, G & W etc.) or atop the upper tier (Wario, DK etc.) i think most people would put him in upper right now but he might be able to make the push to high tier if just more people mained him.
