Unusual_Rex
Smash Journeyman
I was just using it as an example. Mario may move up but I doubt anything higher than mid-mid.
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Official Brawl Tier Discussion (OP Updated)
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Ch0zen0ne
Smash Lord
That match is between AZEN and BOSS and CHOZEN...
i believe those matches hold alittle more water than the average vid...
i believe those matches hold alittle more water than the average vid...
metaknightp0wns
Smash Apprentice
hell yeahs dk is under rated he has the advantage over mk and snake, what other char has that?
Unusual_Rex
Smash Journeyman
Out of you Boss and Azen, I've only heard of Azen... and those videos weren't anythnig insane either. All I'm saying is Mario isn't upper, or high tier... Mid-Mid max is what I'd say.
Ch0zen0ne
Smash Lord
Dude you're from Canada.. and you SHOULD have heard of Boss/Myself...
ask basically any known name in the US... THEY know us.
ask basically any known name in the US... THEY know us.
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Mario ain't that hot. Boss is good, but Mario as a character isn't outstanding or noteworthy.
Unusual_Rex
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Sure... :-)
Ch0zen0ne
Smash Lord
Don't act like i'm not amazing Mr Lord...
Unusual_Rex
Smash Journeyman
No offence, but you seem to be very self proclaimed...
Ch0zen0ne
Smash Lord
Hmm.. well sir... back in the melee days i used to team w/ DaShizWiz.. and was considered one of the Jiggs pros in the US... and now I team w/ Boss.. and i am considered one of the ROB pros in the US...
No Johns.
You're clearly talking to the wrong people.
No Johns.
You're clearly talking to the wrong people.
Unusual_Rex
Smash Journeyman
Whatever... but anyways we need to get back on topic.
Mario is Mid-Mid max. I can see him placing near high, upper, let alone top.
Mario is Mid-Mid max. I can see him placing near high, upper, let alone top.
Ch0zen0ne
Smash Lord
Mario is pretty even w/ all the top/upper/high tiers...
Nigerian Star Storm
Smash Ace
Ah, I knew remembered your name somewhere...
Your Jiggs was Great, indeed likely one of the better ones in the states. Altough there were better ones (Mango >_> )
Unusual_Rex
Smash Journeyman
Thats why I find it hard to believe your super pro. Mario, is no where close to Snake, Meta Knight, Game & Watch, Marth, Falco, or Toon Link.
Ch0zen0ne
Smash Lord
Playing w/ THE BEST mario in the US will do that to you.. especially when he consistently beats some of the best MKs, Marths, Snakes, and ROBs in the country... and we live in Md/Va... therefore i suggest you do not take what i have to say w/ a grain of salt.. most certainly NOT for THIS toon in specific.
Ch0zen0ne
Smash Lord
Fsmash/Fireballs take care of that for you...
Unusual_Rex
Smash Journeyman
That has nothing to do with tier placement. You can be good with any character. Higher tiers are just better over all characters. I'm not saying Boss's Mario sucks I'm just saying Mario is not even close to top tier.
Ch0zen0ne
Smash Lord
No, but i AM saying that playing against a player that actually plays a character to their full potential makes you realize how GOOD that character CAN BE...
Think about all of the WCers that play Wario.. if no one played him very well.. do you HONESTLY think that he would be considered high/upper tier...
Think about all of the WCers that play Wario.. if no one played him very well.. do you HONESTLY think that he would be considered high/upper tier...
Nigerian Star Storm
Smash Ace
Chozen has a point, I would have never placed Wario as a High Tier character until I saw Futile's Wario. That sealed the deal for me along with all the information I gathered on him . Another thing is it also actually opens your eyes and shows how good the characters can be in real situations, not just theorycraft. For example, Diddy Nanerz fortress seemed pretty powerful in theory. How has that translated to real life battles? Not all that well, he's placing has been pretty bad in tournaments, but lest we forget, things like this can change on a dime.
Being Great with a character can be the doorway of showing them to the comunnity how good they really are. This is something a lot of those "Tires don exits" don't seem to get.
Being Great with a character can be the doorway of showing them to the comunnity how good they really are. This is something a lot of those "Tires don exits" don't seem to get.
Unusual_Rex
Smash Journeyman
Yeah, but if everyone played a character to their full potential, other characters would still be way higher than Mario.
Unusual_Rex
Smash Journeyman
Mario also has not ranked well in tourneys. At least according to the Rankings Chart.
In no way am I denying a Mario in the right hands can be deadly, I'm saying that someone with equal skill using a Snake, Meta Knight, Falco, Marth, will have the upper hand.
In no way am I denying a Mario in the right hands can be deadly, I'm saying that someone with equal skill using a Snake, Meta Knight, Falco, Marth, will have the upper hand.
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Zelda would be im mid tier probably. Shes very powerful but kinda slow.
Unusual_Rex
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Agreed. Mario will doubtfully go any higher.
Monshou_no_Nazo
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Those characters are in high tier/top tier for a reason. What (I think) Chozen is saying is that Mario has enough potential to not be grouped with other characters in Mid Tier, which is why he put Mario in Upper Tier in his Tier list, right below ROB, Pikachu, and Toon Link in that particular tier.
Unusual_Rex
Smash Journeyman
That is way too high.
Monshou_no_Nazo
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Dude. Look at his tier list: http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?p=4601858#post4601858
Look at the characters above Mario, then the characters below him. I think his spot is very reasonable.
Look at the characters above Mario, then the characters below him. I think his spot is very reasonable.
Corner-Trap
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I revised the format of the SRK list.
Top: Snake, Metaknight
High: Falco, Game & Watch, Marth, King Dedede, R.O.B.
High-Mid: Wolf, Toon Link, Pikachu, Donkey Kong, Wario, Diddy Kong, Ice Climbers
Mid: Lucas, Lucario, Pit, Olimar, Fox, Zelda, Zero Suit Samus, Ike, Luigi, Sheik, Kirby, Ness, Squirtle
Low-Mid: Peach, Bowser, Samus, Link, Charizard, Jigglypuff
Low: Ivysaur, Ganondorf, Sonic, Mario, Yoshi
Bottom: Captain Falcon
Top: Snake, Metaknight
High: Falco, Game & Watch, Marth, King Dedede, R.O.B.
High-Mid: Wolf, Toon Link, Pikachu, Donkey Kong, Wario, Diddy Kong, Ice Climbers
Mid: Lucas, Lucario, Pit, Olimar, Fox, Zelda, Zero Suit Samus, Ike, Luigi, Sheik, Kirby, Ness, Squirtle
Low-Mid: Peach, Bowser, Samus, Link, Charizard, Jigglypuff
Low: Ivysaur, Ganondorf, Sonic, Mario, Yoshi
Bottom: Captain Falcon
TehBo49
Smash Ace
@ Chozen One: I'm confused about your list on page 511. Is it a serious list?
Corner-Trap
Smash Ace
Yes he's serious. You're thinking the same way I was thinking when I first saw it.
Man, you really couldn't be more right with that statement right there. You really hit almost every character. Except Fox. I see people here consistently put him at the bottom on mid tier (which is like character #27 on most of people's lists). But really, that list of overrated and underrated matches my thoughts almost exactly. Makes me pretty happy.
Also, this post shows how underrated Fox is.
As you can see, this poster going into great detail and thinking on his placement for each character. Look at the reasoning for Fox. I've seen many other people's tier lists do the same thing.
Unusual_Rex
Smash Journeyman
Hahaha, that list is a joke... Lucario, Ike (Most likely), Ice Climbers (Most Likely), Olimar, and Diddy are, are above him, Mario = Mid-Mid.
ch0zen, you seem to be flattering yourself quite a bit. I've heard of you, of course, but it's easy to just say that you're the best at something without it being true. The same goes for flattering your own crew mates. Generally, a person that flaunts the fact that he's the best is absolutely not the best. I'm sure you're going to show me vids of you beating someone or other as a response, but whatever.
Anyway, just because one Mario manages to barely beat Azen's Pikachu doesn't mean Mario is high tier. I've noticed Mario mains tend to overrate their character much more than any other character mains, except maybe Sonic.
Anyway, just because one Mario manages to barely beat Azen's Pikachu doesn't mean Mario is high tier. I've noticed Mario mains tend to overrate their character much more than any other character mains, except maybe Sonic.
Unusual_Rex
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Ummm... have you read his list? Mario, is too high, DeDeDe, could move a little lower. Lucario is too low, same with Donkey Kong. Lucas should be above Ness. Olimar, Zero Suit Samus, and Sonic, and Pokemon Trainer are brutally low. His list is ridiculous. I don't know how anyone can take him seriously.
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