count them and you'll find you listed 31.
you listed all 3 pokemon, zelda and sheik, and both zamus and samus..
so thats 31/39.
you're missing 8.
its not that hard to figure out when you've forgotten some...
-
Welcome to Smashboards, the world's largest Super Smash Brothers community! Over 250,000 Smash Bros. fans from around the world have come to discuss these great games in over 19 million posts!
You are currently viewing our boards as a visitor. Click here to sign up right now and start on your path in the Smash community!
Official Brawl Tier Discussion (OP Updated)
- Thread starter AlphaZealot
- Start date
- Status
you listed all 3 pokemon, zelda and sheik, and both zamus and samus..
so thats 31/39.
you're missing 8.
its not that hard to figure out when you've forgotten some...
SwordmasterXXXI
Smash Journeyman
TehBo49
Smash Ace
Stopped reading at Sonic. -_-
There are way too many things wrong in that list to point out.
And you forgot Ganondorf, Pikachu, Ness, Lucas, Kirby, MK, Dedede, & Olimar.
Cat Fight
Smash Lord
What in the world?
Browny
Smash Hater
well you obviously didnt stop reading at sonic if you took the time to count and list all the characters he missed out...
also, dont feed the troll
TehBo49
Smash Ace
I stopped at Sonic, started reading again later, then stopped at Link. I went on like that until I got to the end.
I can't help commenting on the list because it bothered me so much. I hate it when people post PoS lists like that one.
I can't help commenting on the list because it bothered me so much. I hate it when people post PoS lists like that one.
Mike_Echoes
Smash Journeyman
I believe this to be a joke post.
Grunt
Smash Master
HAHA! April fools, right?...it's May? May fools?...>.>
each pokemon should be rated separately as they are completely different characters in their own rights, and the pokemon trainer rated as a whole as well. perhaps each poke in italics?
i'd say pokemon trainer should be rated as a combination of the best two of his pokemon. why? because a smart trainer will be able to use his worst pokemon wisely at the end of a stock (particularly if it is stock tank Charizard). or even better, knocking the opponent away at the end of their stock, switching to the least effective pokemon, getting a quick ko, then switching on to the second of your better pokes. so it isn't weighing pt down as much as a simple average of the three pokemon would suggest. not to mention all three have their own match ups where they excel.
say one of the pokemon was sonic. sure, he isn't that great. but he DOES have advantageous match ups. so you use him the majority of the time against that match up. but against other characters where he isn't as useful, you can minimize the amount you use him by smart, careful switching.
and none of the three pokemon are as bad as sonic is. :\ all three are at least mid (yes, even charizard). most accept squirtle and ivysaur as top mid or even high, but zard seems to languish on in a lot of bottom tiers. well i don't understand why, since he has excellent horizontal recovery, decent vertical recovery, quick, ranged attacks (specifically ftilt and dtilt) which lend to a good ground game, flamethrower, rock smash ****, very strong smashes, and a nice air game that lends itself to excellent gimping with his extra third jump. fair is nice, uair has a surprising hitbox and stays out for quite a while, dair is a serviceable meteor that needs timing, nair is decent for approaches, and bair is a two hit attack that when sweetspotted gives good knockback. he also has an amazing grab game with that long neck of his. and his surprising dash speed complements it very well.
sure he's big and easily juggled. but so are a few characters that are hanging out waaaaaay higher than zard is right now.
plus you can always use his down special.
and OBVIOUSLY, to use pokemon trainer effectively, you have to learn how to use all three pokemon efficiently. as if all three were your main. because that's what you are asking as a pt main.
clearly, no one is at that point yet, and likely won't be for a while. but if/when someone gets there, watch out. because honestly, having three separate characters at your disposal is an advantage, not a disadvantage (assuming you are skilled with all three).
i'd say pokemon trainer should be rated as a combination of the best two of his pokemon. why? because a smart trainer will be able to use his worst pokemon wisely at the end of a stock (particularly if it is stock tank Charizard). or even better, knocking the opponent away at the end of their stock, switching to the least effective pokemon, getting a quick ko, then switching on to the second of your better pokes. so it isn't weighing pt down as much as a simple average of the three pokemon would suggest. not to mention all three have their own match ups where they excel.
say one of the pokemon was sonic. sure, he isn't that great. but he DOES have advantageous match ups. so you use him the majority of the time against that match up. but against other characters where he isn't as useful, you can minimize the amount you use him by smart, careful switching.
and none of the three pokemon are as bad as sonic is. :\ all three are at least mid (yes, even charizard). most accept squirtle and ivysaur as top mid or even high, but zard seems to languish on in a lot of bottom tiers. well i don't understand why, since he has excellent horizontal recovery, decent vertical recovery, quick, ranged attacks (specifically ftilt and dtilt) which lend to a good ground game, flamethrower, rock smash ****, very strong smashes, and a nice air game that lends itself to excellent gimping with his extra third jump. fair is nice, uair has a surprising hitbox and stays out for quite a while, dair is a serviceable meteor that needs timing, nair is decent for approaches, and bair is a two hit attack that when sweetspotted gives good knockback. he also has an amazing grab game with that long neck of his. and his surprising dash speed complements it very well.
sure he's big and easily juggled. but so are a few characters that are hanging out waaaaaay higher than zard is right now.
plus you can always use his down special.
and OBVIOUSLY, to use pokemon trainer effectively, you have to learn how to use all three pokemon efficiently. as if all three were your main. because that's what you are asking as a pt main.
clearly, no one is at that point yet, and likely won't be for a while. but if/when someone gets there, watch out. because honestly, having three separate characters at your disposal is an advantage, not a disadvantage (assuming you are skilled with all three).
Grunt
Smash Master
plus you can always use his down special.
That's like in melee Zelda's best move was her down B. XD
Sikarios
Smash Cadet
I agree with alot of what Steeler said. I want to believe that a dedicated player could make P.Trainer a tournament worthy character. The other thing to remember is that each pokemon has their own weaknesses (for example Ivy's recovery) that could be exploited by smart opponents.
Ok, my opinions, I think right now it is blatently obvious snake is making top tier.
And for the other top tiers I would have to say... DeDeDe (Biased opinion slightly), his Air attacks are amazing, he has some great KO moves and waddle dees make him a good anti projectile character. Falco destroys him though.
the other one I think will be top tier is ice climbers, some videos on youtube show that they bring back comboing at its best and they are slightly easier to use.
For Bottom tier I would have to say Sonic and Metaknight, they both lack good killing moves and are more spamming joke characters in my opinion (sonics b attack >.>)
And for the other top tiers I would have to say... DeDeDe (Biased opinion slightly), his Air attacks are amazing, he has some great KO moves and waddle dees make him a good anti projectile character. Falco destroys him though.
the other one I think will be top tier is ice climbers, some videos on youtube show that they bring back comboing at its best and they are slightly easier to use.
For Bottom tier I would have to say Sonic and Metaknight, they both lack good killing moves and are more spamming joke characters in my opinion (sonics b attack >.>)
Fire!
Smash Champion
Shark Week
Smash Apprentice
he's talking about melee.
and even if you mean melee too... being sheik is being better than zelda. that's the point. ko potential included.
and even if you mean melee too... being sheik is being better than zelda. that's the point. ko potential included.
Cat Fight
Smash Lord
Top:
Snake
Metaknight
King DeDeDe
High:
Wario
DK
The rest, IDC.
Snake
Metaknight
King DeDeDe
High:
Wario
DK
The rest, IDC.
YagamiLight
Smash Champion
You've got 5 people in Top and High? And DeDeDe is high probably, Wario and DK are probably Mid. Wario suffers from vast range issues and DK is DeDeDe's sex toy. No, worse than a sex toy.
Grunt
Smash Master
LOLfiremario149 said:
Where is GnW, ROB, and Marth?Cat Fight said:
x After Dawn x
Smash Master
I agree, more characters should be placed in top and high tier in that list. DK is definitely not high tier material, but Wario is still controversial over being either middle or high tier.
Samuelson
Smash Lord
Lucario is so underrated...
White Pikmin
Smash Journeyman
I say that meta knight should be lowwr if not bottom, tier
Olimar and Wario for highest tier!
Olimar and Wario for highest tier!
Shy Guy 86
Smash Ace
- Joined
- May 8, 2008
- Messages
- 848
^Olimar is def Mid. or High, Wolf ***** him bad
Wario has a very small range. making him Middle Tier
Meta Knight can deal damage so fast, and has a lot of combos and attacks are fast no way hes in the bottom, hes up to Shiek's melee standards
-I rest my case, correct me if I'm wrong
Wario has a very small range. making him Middle Tier
Meta Knight can deal damage so fast, and has a lot of combos and attacks are fast no way hes in the bottom, hes up to Shiek's melee standards
-I rest my case, correct me if I'm wrong
Yuna-Maria
Smash Ace
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/joke
x After Dawn x
Smash Master
Meta Knight is top tier- at the very least, high tier.
Anytime_Minutes
Smash Apprentice
ignore this accidental post
Anytime_Minutes
Smash Apprentice
TOP
===
toon link
Mr Game and Watch
Marth
HIGH
===
wolf
fox
falco
Pit
R.O.B
Meta Knight
Olimar
Luigi
High-Mid
=====
Kirby
Zelda
Dedede
Pokemon Trainer
Ike
Lucas
Lucario
Samus
MID
===
Sonic
pikachu
Zamus
Mario
Ness
Link
bowser
Sheik
Mid-Low
=====
Wario
DK
Yoshie
Jigglypuff
LOW
===
Ganondorf
Captain Falcon
WAYY more accurate
orintemple
Smash Lord
lol what? Where is Snake? This list is kind of atrocious actually, but most important thing first.
Snake?
Yuna-Maria
Smash Ace
You both forgot Snake. How accurate can it be?
Nigerian Star Storm
Smash Ace
Lawl >_>
No Tier list at this point should really be taken very seriously if Snake isn't even ON THERE. Let alone not Top.
No Tier list at this point should really be taken very seriously if Snake isn't even ON THERE. Let alone not Top.
orintemple
Smash Lord
Time for me to make one I guess, and Snake will be on it, guarenteed XD
Top-
Snake
MetaKnight
Marth
Toon Link
High-
Mr. Game and Watch
Falco
Ice Climbers
R.O.B.
Wolf
Pit
Pikachu
Olimar
Zelda
Middle-
Lucas
Zero Suit Samus
King Dedede
Fox
Diddy Kong
Ivysaur
Kirby
Ness
Luigi
Lucario
Squirtle
Ike
Donkey Kong
Low-
Peach
Wario
Charizard
Bowser
Mario
Yoshi
Sheik
Sonic
Samus
Bottom-
Link
Ganondorf
Jigglypuff
Captain Falcon
There it is, hopefully no one is missing XD
Top-
Snake
MetaKnight
Marth
Toon Link
High-
Mr. Game and Watch
Falco
Ice Climbers
R.O.B.
Wolf
Pit
Pikachu
Olimar
Zelda
Middle-
Lucas
Zero Suit Samus
King Dedede
Fox
Diddy Kong
Ivysaur
Kirby
Ness
Luigi
Lucario
Squirtle
Ike
Donkey Kong
Low-
Peach
Wario
Charizard
Bowser
Mario
Yoshi
Sheik
Sonic
Samus
Bottom-
Link
Ganondorf
Jigglypuff
Captain Falcon
There it is, hopefully no one is missing XD
Nigerian Star Storm
Smash Ace
That is actually very good IMO. DDD could stand to be higher, same with Diddy and Wario. But other than that, the list is excellent
Shy Guy 86
Smash Ace
- Joined
- May 8, 2008
- Messages
- 848
Changes in bold, I know I'm a n00b but thats what I think it should be =P XD
MiraiGen
Smash Ace
- Joined
- Sep 23, 2006
- Messages
- 710
I'm not liking the lack of love for Ganondorf. He's slow and stout but he's got tons of KO potential and it has been proven that Fair is really good if you can sweetspot it.
He's got some lousy matchups but he's not as awful as Captain Terrible ****ing Hitboxes and Link "I can't land a KO to save my life."
He's got some lousy matchups but he's not as awful as Captain Terrible ****ing Hitboxes and Link "I can't land a KO to save my life."
DiasFlac
Smash Journeyman
Top
Bowser
Zelda
Ness
Middle
:Insert other characters here:
Low/Bottom
Snake
Bowser
Zelda
Ness
Middle
:Insert other characters here:
Low/Bottom
Snake
TehBo49
Smash Ace
@ orintemple: Move Wario to the top of mid. He's pretty good other than his lack of range. Also, Ivysaur should be low tier.
Shy Guy 86
Smash Ace
- Joined
- May 8, 2008
- Messages
- 848
Snake = Top Tier/Class A, I rest my case.
DiasFlac
Smash Journeyman
Bowser comes in the screen on fire so grenades and other explosion won't affect him much.
Snake however is a human being so being flamed up by Bowser Flames will kill him dead.
:rocket::burst:
I rest my case.
Browny
Smash Hater
charizard can break a boulder with his FACE. bowser has nothing on that
GofG
Smash Champion
Top:
Snake
Low:
Rest
The gap between snake and the rest of the characters that, in the eyes of snake, they are almost equal on the tier list. They might range between 1 and 3, while snake is 100.
Snake
Low:
Rest
The gap between snake and the rest of the characters that, in the eyes of snake, they are almost equal on the tier list. They might range between 1 and 3, while snake is 100.
A2ZOMG
Smash Legend
- Joined
- Oct 13, 2007
- Messages
- 12,542
- Location
- RPV, California
- NNID
- A2ZOMG
- Switch FC
- SW 8400 1713 9427
Metaknight can deal with Snake easily, not to mention a few other characters who can take advantage of the fact his air game sucks, and his recovery is easily gimped when done wrong.
- Status