Clawing his way up (no pun intended).is getting too high D:....
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Clawing his way up (no pun intended).is getting too high D:....
lol yeah.Olimar is the new Jigglypuff.
and ICs FINALLY have a position that reflect their true power.
and dammit stop falling weegee.
Thanks Kain for making one of D3's only good character matchups better.Wolf the King of Mid/Borderline?
Justice. :3
Though I honestly didn't expect it to happen. Must have been Kain's work, but I'd love to see a write up on how the Wolf discussion went.
Funniest thing about this post is that when I found some slope infinites with King Dedede. Nobody got interest and just said "**** you and get outta here" to me (even the Dedede players said that to me ).Very this.
If the japanese ruleset really becomes the new standard (as in, the one most people will use), it will convert ICs and Oli very powerful characters and worse, it will be so flat that even can make people to lose even more interest in the game.
Nope.is getting too high D:....
It will be like that when we use the Japanese Ruleset and 9B comes to APEX'13I was expecting something close to this:
S: :metaknightbrawl:
A: :icsbrawl: :olimarbrawl: :snakebrawl: :diddybrawl:
B: :falcobrawl: ikachubrawl: :marthbrawl: :wariocbrawl:
Overall this list is a huge improvement.
Nah, we'll have a Diddy body Ocean and Snake will be under Diddy.It will be like that when we use the Japanese Ruleset and 9B comes to APEX'13
yet u still didnt get what i was saying. Esam was trolling you.NAir, FAir, Dsmash, UpB do better than Mario's Bthrow, Fsmash, and UpSmash.
Also, tornado of souls and green missile work better getting back to the stage than f.l.u.d.d.
Pikachu and King Dedede are his only really bad matchups.I think I can explain Wolf's rise.
If you really think of it, Wolf doesn't really have any weaknesses outside of chaingrabs. He has good speed and power, a good projectile, good mobility, good mixups, good survivability, and good run away.
He also has pretty good results.
Same actually. But it is a massive improvement to the previous tier list. All the important updates were made and while we can argue all day the order of the top 5, at least they actually got the top 5 right.I was expecting something close to this:
S: :metaknightbrawl:
A: :icsbrawl: :olimarbrawl: :snakebrawl: :diddybrawl:
B: :falcobrawl: ikachubrawl: :marthbrawl: :wariocbrawl:
Overall this list is a huge improvement.
Well it's almost close.Same actually. But it is a massive improvement to the previous tier list. All the important updates were made and while we can argue all day the order of the top 5, at least they actually got the top 5 right.
This is true. Though Cg can be just as bad as , but not .Pikachu and King Dedede are his only really bad matchups.
You never responded to my last post in the matchup discussion. I finally got Will to give his opinion. http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=14348110&postcount=1930You're very right; it's definitely +2, PT's favor. Ivysaur takes a dump on him, but, no one wants to hear that.
Not MK. 7 stage strike. PS2, RCruise, Brinstar legal.Aight...with who
That's because it wasn't a matchup discussion, and they wanted us to stop talking about it.You never responded to my last post in the matchup discussion.
I have a feeling that this discussion will never end unless you play Will.That's because it wasn't a matchup discussion, and they wanted us to stop talking about it.
To this day, I don't really feel like talking about it. It's too much effort for something that I'll never get anyone to agree on through a wall of text. I'll just accept any DK vs. PT money match that comes my way, if only to prove my point.
I suppose it doesn't really prove a point, though, because people say I am an especially good player, and people say they don't know how to play against PT, and every time I win with the character, it is solely because of raw talent, luck, and gimmicks. Such is my fate.
I have a feeling that this discussion will never end unless you play Will.
Then show up, and bring a car.I'm so down
If were to play the matchup flawlessly vs and the played flawlessly too then you would lose a stock every time you were Dthrow'd offstage. Shine>Jump shine=Stock loss for . I have a positive record vs Will and Cable. Pane beat Will last week. Kain always beats Ripple and Ook. How can you argue could not have a losing matchup to given these results?You never responded to my last post in the matchup discussion. I finally got Will to give his opinion. http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=14348110&postcount=1930
Dk vs PT overall is even, anyone who wants to argue against that should read this first (pages 88-90)
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=228591&page=88
For the formation of the BBR matchup chart V 2.0 there were 4 players chosen to decide on DK’s ratios. Ook, Will, Ripple and Me. I made 70% of the posts out of all the DK’s, Ook posted maybe two or three times, Ripple responded often but rarely in more than two or three sentences. Will posted a few times but not in any of the important matchups that were decided against us. I myself was in between characters during the course of the discussions and switched between having very pessimistic views of DK to very optimistic.
1/3 of the cast tried to increase their rating against Dk in their favor and many of them got their wish, some rightfully some not. Important matchups like DK vs GW were decided against us by ONE post from Vinnie who basically said “this matchup is +1 GW, Will will agree with me” If I remember correctly Will had a positive or near even record against Vinnie before he picked up ice climbers. Other matchups like DK vs PT were decided against us because PT had more respected players like Reflex while DK had only me. The few times Will actually posted, the opponents would often argue that he was an outlier even though there have been many players that have performed at his level: Cable, Dr. G and most recently Nairo. None of these players are currently active unfortunately.
The four matchups that most DK’s will have a problem with are. GW, PT, Snake, Fox. These are the only four that I firmly believe are wrong.
Pit, Kirby, Sonic, Wolf, Falco and Pika could be argued another point in our favor if DK were to play the matchup nearly flawless but I’m not particularly determined to win those cases by myself.
All the posts about DK losing points in the matchup chart due to DK not having enough representation are true. If I was a more accomplished player or if well-known players like Will or Cable had posted more than DK’s standing would be a bit more optimistic.
Ac's outplaced TKD. SLS's gotten top 3 every tourney he has gone to if I recall correctly and he has used in some of em. So is next to his name and he'd be above Yui. Whatchu smoking? mains forever saltiest...Can't imagine any Wolf main outplacing TKD or Yui at any Tournament. Ever.
will has done it enough >_<So go win with DK and prove MUs aren't as bad as what the chart says.
You'd have to explain the dthrow to shine killing us everytime. Assuming perfect play, DK's tippered jab leads into a guaranteed side-b every time (gfsc) meaning a jab at 80% or above = death.If were to play the matchup flawlessly vs and the played flawlessly too then you would lose a stock every time you were Dthrow'd offstage. Shine>Jump shine=Stock loss for . I have a positive record vs Will and Cable. Pane beat Will last week. Kain always beats Ripple and Ook. How can you argue could not have a losing matchup to given these results?
We camp you. Your shield is assss. Your moves are unsafe on shield (Including Ftilt) because everything gets punished by our punishment move (Fsmash). Juggling isn't too hard. And your get up options back on stage are severely limited.
MM me at Whobo for $5-10?
Ac's outplaced TKD. SLS's gotten top 3 every tourney he has gone to if I recall correctly and he has used in some of em. So is next to his name and he'd be above Yui. Whatchu smoking? mains forever saltiest...
NAW son you gotta TEXAS size that money match for 's everywhereYou'd have to explain the dthrow to shine killing us everytime. Assuming perfect play, DK's tippered jab leads into a guaranteed side-b every time (gfsc) meaning a jab at 80% or above = death.
I probably shouldnt have brought up the playing perfect part now that I think about it....
DK's moveset isnt as diverse as Wolf's but this is balanced by the fact DK will be living ~40% more than wolf each stock and has better options for killing early with 9 wind (kills near 60%)
I'm pretty sure I'm going to whobo, I'll accept a $5 mm but you'll probably have to remind me.