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Where's the like button for this post?That's why I didn't initially throw it out there.
And I am now challenging all Sonics so I can show them why their character is free and boring to play.
ROB is low tier by my definition don't get me started, it's not dumb i just understand the character and his limitations.
But that's the thing. We don't have to give last place to just ONE character. We could always do what the MBR did for their tenth tier list.Every character in low/bottom tier is underrepresented and has saving graces, but there's one big problem.......
SOMEBODY HAS TO BE IN LAST PLACE.
This is a tier list, a ranking of all the characters in the game. Just because someone is in last place, doesn't mean they're 100% ****. We could argue all day about how Bowser, Ganon, Falcon, Zelda, Link, Jiggs, or Mario are underrated and capable of doing better, but at the end of the day somebody's got to occupy that bottom spot. In fact, that's the biggest problem with low/bottom tier: We don't honestly know who is truly better than who in that group, due to a massive lack of results. We probably will never get enough results, either, because most players (who want to win) will wisely devote their time and energy to better characters.
For now, we'll have to mostly rely on theorycraft, aka business as usual in here. All I ask is that whenever you're debating that a character should be higher, actually compare the character to the characters you want him/her to overtake on the list. Simply talking about the character's merits isn't enough.
We already had a large discussion in here about this, one that involved the top DDDs and a bunch of other BBR members in here, and we came to a conclusion. DDD:Sheilda should be 0 just like DDD:Sheik. Sheilda may play the MU differently, but it's still no better than just staying Sheik. No one was able to give a good explanation for how +1 Sheilda ended up on the MU chart.Transforming definitely makes match-ups like DDD a lot better for Sheik.
Hey, I NEVER said that Jiggs doesn't have a solid follow-up game. All I said was "Being nonpunishable on hit does not mean you have a 'solid follow-up game'," because you said, "Puff's follow-up game in Brawl is really solid; she doesn't get punished on hit unless you are using the wrong moves, and that's true of everyone. Just goes to show how little people understand this character." I'm sorry, but your statement made a point that the subsequent clause seemed to be backing up, but the logic contained in that subsequent clause did nothing of the sort. Your second sentence then drew a conclusion from that statement that shouldn't have been made because the argument made in the first sentence wasn't necessarily proven or backed up.No, she actually has a solid follow-up game. Why do you keep talking about Puff when you are so ignorant of how she plays?
I really don't understand why Lucas is still not in Mid. My personal feelings are that Lucas is way too good to be stuck in the same tier as the rest of Low. I mean, if Luigi was down there too, then it might make sense, but Lucas being separated from Luigi by a whole tier gap and also being in the same tier as Falcon and Bowser doesn't make sense. Perhaps the BBR should make a BL2 tier, like they do in Pokemon.I wish he was in mid...
But I have tons of fun playing Yoshi!also, DELTA COD FROM DEEP LEFT FIELD WITH THAT HYPOCRISY.
So I guess if Jiggs beats a single decent Mid Tier main in bracket, we now have a successful Jiggs. That person's opinion on all of Puff's MUs is now law.I feel like 'success' is relative here. Cus i thought we pretty much agreed that the character as a whole has no success.
Or you, the minority, could spend your hard-earned cash and come to us, the majority, and prove wrong what the majority believes.....that Australia sucks.Then get some top players and come to Australia, yippee.
Well, if we're gonna be like that, then I guess every character vs Low Tier is +4, 'cause I bet a lot of good players have not met a good Low Tier in bracket, let alone one who could beat them.But either way, I can't see Sonic beating Yoshi until I've personally gotten my *** handed to me in the MU.
Think Bowser. Now think KK.Who is KK? I'd like to think that it isn't KirbyKaze...
And my point was that I never said she didn't. You simply put sentences together badly and I was pointing out your flawed reasoining. All I've said about Jiggs 'offensive' game is that she has a hard time getting in (cleanly) to begin with; her follow-ups are fine.What the hell are you even talkin' about yo'
I'm not interested in debating over my choice of words; the point is that Jigglypuff does punish reasonably hard due to her follow-up game, that's all you need to take from that sentence
I have plenty of sigs that are similar to this.I dont even need to rebut that statement. Your sig does it for me.
But see, a lot of times it's more obvious based off character tools if there's an advantage one way or another. This is something that, looking at the character tools, I cannot actually see either character having an advantage, and until I experience getting beat because my character can't deal with something, I won't be able to see it that way.Well, if we're gonna be like that, then I guess every character vs Low Tier is +4, 'cause I bet a lot of good players have not met a good Low Tier in bracket, let alone one who could beat them.
I feel like sonic thrives in those ambiguous times more than most characters since most of his options are relatively safe. dash attack, spindash, and his speed lets him cover options that other characters cant.People also need to realize that a +1 matchup in something like Sonic vs Bowser (A matchup that hasn't been played or analyzed...really ever) is a riskier(? ...maybe strange would be the right word) edge to the Sonic player then you'd like to think. There's a lot of more ambiguous times in the matchup where either player might not know how to punish or deal with certain things, simply because of a lack of matchup experience, and character knowledge.
I am rightfully a bit offended that you replied a little viciously withBeing nonpunishable on hit does not mean you have a "solid follow-up game".
and I am letting you know about it. I wasn't even talking about Jiggs at all.No, she actually has a solid follow-up game. Why do you keep talking about Puff when you are so ignorant of how she plays?
yeah if you play someone who really sucksWhat the hell are you even talkin' about yo'
I'm not interested in debating over my choice of words; the point is that Jigglypuff does punish reasonably hard due to her follow-up game, that's all you need to take from that sentence
This. And this is also coming from someone who mains Bowser and plays X on a regular basis. Kid, youre highly underestimating Fortress OoS, Klaw, and Bowsers grab game.Sonic vs Bowser is +1 Sonic.
This is coming from someone who has played Phiddlesticks, KK, and sometimes online I get to play Limit.
The last time I played Stroumbert in the Puff vs Falcon MU I was consistently getting 30+ percent punishes from aerial strings.yeah if you play someone who really sucks
I don't claim to have a lot of experience but i'll do what I can. I know what you mean though... It sucks that people don't realise how high and mighty they come off when they say 'lol, your region is obscure so you have no right to say stuff.'Or you, the minority, could spend your hard-earned cash and come to us, the majority, and prove wrong what the majority believes.....that Australia sucks.
JK, I hate it when people are written off as bad because there's no one around to play, 'cause I can kinda relate (hidden in the wording of my sentence above ), but it's not right for someone without results or experience to speak like a person with them.
The same as everyone's, air dodgeWhat does Falcon do after he gets hit? He seems like a really easy char to 'string' moves against. All he really seems to have is uair.....maybe nair. What are his 'combo-breaking options'?
You sound like Espy there... (which is fine, i'm not trying to give offense... just funny. )Wut.
I don't even.
I can't.
Wut.