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Official BBR Tier List v5
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Gadiel_VaStar
Smash Champion
Falco is better, but Fox/Wolf are both high tier characters, idk why everyone underates them. They should both be in low A--high B tier depending on the list.
Conviction
Human Nature
LOL is it really that hard to tell I'm joking....
Also maybe you should word your thing better and I wouldn't have said that.
WHERE THE HELL IS MY IMAGE?
Also maybe you should word your thing better and I wouldn't have said that.
WHERE THE HELL IS MY IMAGE?
Clai
Smash Lord
If I could be both Clai and Vermanubis at the same time, as Illmatic suggested, not only would I have the best training partner in myself ever, but this video would be the greatest single player performance of all time: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=naODNdVvMSY
I wonder what kind of new tricks the Olimar mains have up their sleeves. Maybe they're starting to realize the full potential of their perfect camping. They really have the potential to be outright crazy.
I wonder what kind of new tricks the Olimar mains have up their sleeves. Maybe they're starting to realize the full potential of their perfect camping. They really have the potential to be outright crazy.
Conviction
Human Nature
Olimar is starting to look scary.
Steam
Smash Hero
as bad as I think marth is... he's still better than lucario. his results are even ever so slightly better.
insanity.
also Lucario is ***
-Jumpman-
Smash Champion
hahaha that would've been gold XD
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Guest
Why? I thought Gheb's reasoning for it was pretty sound.
zeldasmash
Smash Lord
Top
S: (=)
High
A: (+1) (-1) (=) (+2)
B: (+2) (-1) (-4) (=) (+2) 
(-2) (=) (=)
Middle
C: (=) (+1) (+6) (-2) (-1) ( ) (+3)
D: (-3) (-1) (+2) (-2) (+4) (-1) (-1) (-1)
Low
E: (+1) (-1)
F: (+2) ( (-2) (+2) (-1)) (-1)
G: (=) (=)
S:
(=)High
A:
(+1) (-1) (=) (+2)B:
(+2) (-1) (-4) (=) (+2) (-2) (=) (=)Middle
C:
(=) (+1) (+6) (-2) (-1) ( ) (+3)D:
(-3) (-1) (+2) (-2) (+4) (-1) (-1) (-1)Low
E:
(+1) (-1) F:
(+2) ( (-2) (+2) (-1)) (-1) G:
(=) (=)
Jimmyfosho
Smash Hero
Loving the reasons for your opinon on the whole wolf>peach or peach>wolf guys.
Steam
Smash Hero
@zeldasmash- hey you didn't boost link 4 to the top of low tier for no reason. I'm proud.
also Olimar should be 5th... he's begginning to actually group himself with Snake/Diddy/Falco... he might be better than falco to be honest.
also Olimar should be 5th... he's begginning to actually group himself with Snake/Diddy/Falco... he might be better than falco to be honest.
z00ted
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Peach, in my opinion still has a lot more potential as a character.
If she's in the correct hands she can progress much farther in tournament when compared to Wolf.
She does very well against a large amount of characters in A or B tier and doesn't have as many difficult matchups as a whole when compared to him.
In fact, the only characters Peach should ever be remotely worried about (unless at top level) are Metaknight, Snake, and Marth.
Wolf has Sheik, Metaknight, Snake, Pikachu, DDD, Wario, Ice Climbers, and Falco.
If she's in the correct hands she can progress much farther in tournament when compared to Wolf.
She does very well against a large amount of characters in A or B tier and doesn't have as many difficult matchups as a whole when compared to him.
In fact, the only characters Peach should ever be remotely worried about (unless at top level) are Metaknight, Snake, and Marth.
Wolf has Sheik, Metaknight, Snake, Pikachu, DDD, Wario, Ice Climbers, and Falco.
zeldasmash
Smash Lord
Yeah Link really sucks, i know. But i definatley dont think he belongs in his current position. And Falcon is equally worse imo, so as you can see, i tied them.
zeldasmash
Smash Lord
zeldasmash
Smash Lord
Oh i thought you meant Peach. Ok, Wolf does have Snake in matchups you are right.
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I quoted this but I don't really care about replying to it so ... yeah.
Yes.
So true.
Conviction
Human Nature
Whaa? I don't worry about any Snakes.
MJG
Smash Hero
Snake is free for TL if it isn't Razer/Ally
Steam
Smash Hero
Wolf doesn't do that bad against MK. Especially considering like no MKs will know that matchup. still pretty close.
peach gets ***** pretty hard by MK... which is extremely significant.
peach gets ***** pretty hard by MK... which is extremely significant.
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Well then you're main should be high tier then.
You main Ness, right?
Ness = b tier.
This ... is an over-exaggeration.
z00ted
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I could use the same "MK won't know the matchup" argument for Peach.
Peach doesn't lose incredibly badly to Metaknight. It's still possible, recently the Peaches have been pulling out huge wins against top level MK players in both money matches and tournament.
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Wolf is better then peach though
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Dark 3nergy
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im sorry rainbow dash isnt in smash
come again?
come again?
Thebest1pj
Pinnacle of Projectile Placement.
anybody wanna mm?
Conviction
Human Nature
When did I main Ness? LOL
Peach does a lot worse vs MK, Snake and Falco though, they're all -1 for Wolf. And IC are more like 0 than anything else. How does that even compare?
Wolf: -1 vs MK // Peach: -3 vs MK
Wolf: -1 vs Snake // Peach: -2 or -3 vs Snake
Wolf: -1 vs Diddy // Peach: -1 vs Diddy
Wolf: -1 vs Falco // Peach: -1 or -2 vs Falco
Against the current top 4 Wolf gets like +5 compared to Peach alone. And that still doesn't change facts about Wolf doing about +1 better vs GW, TL, Lucario, Fox and ZSS.
MJG
Smash Hero
Me...for my hat back.
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EDIT: Since when does wolf beat TL? lol...I watched a TL who doesn't know the MU that well beat seagull man and he still claims that wolf beats TL? That MU is definitely even. I also watched that same TL loses to my crewmate holms in a MM @ whobo, who also beat him in 2 MMs in previous tournament. I have played that MU enough to realize that it is even, along with fox. The only space animal that gives TL a significant amount of trouble is falco.
Thebest1pj
Pinnacle of Projectile Placement.
DONE! lucario dittos.
falco ****s on tl so hard its redunkalous4389474943 if you ever lose to a tl as falco or even come close to losing you should feel bad.
Alphicans
Smash Hero
I really doubt peach goes -3 vs snake, and even question a -2. I'd also like to think peach goes even vs diddy, and wolf slightly loses.
IMO, wolf and peach do the same vs GaW, and I know wolf loses to DDD and pikachu pretty badly. Pika dealing a 0-death seems like a close to unwinnable match-up :/. He has reliable set-ups + it's pretty easy to do.
IMO, wolf and peach do the same vs GaW, and I know wolf loses to DDD and pikachu pretty badly. Pika dealing a 0-death seems like a close to unwinnable match-up :/. He has reliable set-ups + it's pretty easy to do.
Thebest1pj
Pinnacle of Projectile Placement.
peach vs tl is even though
Maybe, I've really only fought against two Peach players, but without going into detail, I've seen a lot of the things Peach is capable of and I feel like Toon Link has the right tools to deal with her and make it +1 his favor.
stingers
Smash Obsessed
how would you know, you only use mk these days
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