Official BBR Tier List v5

[Nike.]

Dang, Fox is pretty **** x)

 

[z00ted]

it's not done yet.. like 1/4 way done :o

 

[Sinister Slush]

I could tell cause Yoshi is still in Low Tier while D tier isn't changed at all.

 

[Zigsta]

you forget the part where bowser gets camped so hard he can't do anything.

also egg lay > flying slam IMO

If you truly feel you can just camp and beat Bowser, you haven't played a good Bowser.

Real talk.

 

[Sinister Slush]

But... King Kong played our campiest Yoshi.
Though I guess you can factor in "KK didn't know the Yoshi Matchup"

 

[Delta-cod]

I didn't only camp.

 

[MJG]

I didn't only camp.

Do you name search "campiest yoshi"?









?

 

[Llumys]

Here's my tier list. I don't have enough knowledge of match-ups or lower tiered characters' capabilities, and I'm not backing up my opinions with anything, but a reply'd be nice anyway. I excluded Zelda/Sheik.

S: Meta Knight
A: Diddy Kong, Snake, Falco
B: Marth, Wario, Ice Climbers, Pikmin & Olimar, Pikachu
C: King Dedede, Lucario, Mr. Game & Watch, Zero Suit Samus
D: Fox, Wolf, Toon Link, Sonic, Pit, Peach
E: Donkey Kong, Kirby, R.O.B., Pokémon Trainer, Sheik
F: Bowser, Yoshi, Ike, Ness, Mario, Lucas
G: Jigglypuff, Samus, Link, Zelda, Captain Falcon, Ganondorf

 

[Sinister Slush]

I didn't only camp.

Where did I say All he did against King Kong was camp?
I only indicated that he played you.

 

[Conviction]

That looks really weird, Kirby that low? ROB that low?\

It feels like I'm looking at an old tier list with some changes.

 

[Chuee]

Do you name search "campiest yoshi"?









?

He does.
10eggs

 

[Zigsta]

Yoshi's definitely better than Bowser.

 

[SupaSairentoZ7℠]

That list will definitely stir things up. Then again when he mentioned not enough MU experience its no wonder...

 

[Nike.]

Here's my tier list. I don't have enough knowledge of match-ups or lower tiered characters' capabilities, and I'm not backing up my opinions with anything, but a reply'd be nice anyway. I excluded Zelda/Sheik.

S: Meta Knight
A: Diddy Kong, Snake, Falco
B: Marth, Wario, Ice Climbers, Pikmin & Olimar, Pikachu
C: King Dedede, Lucario, Mr. Game & Watch, Zero Suit Samus
D: Fox, Wolf, Toon Link, Sonic, Pit, Peach
E: Donkey Kong, Kirby, R.O.B., Pokémon Trainer, Sheik
F: Bowser, Yoshi, Ike, Ness, Mario, Lucas
G: Jigglypuff, Samus, Link, Zelda, Captain Falcon, Ganondorf

I really like your S-C Tier, it looks almost exactly like mine.

I'm kinda uneducated in mid tier (I'm lost at where to put ROB for example), which is why I asked Illmatic earlier what his looks like x)

Yoshi and Ike def deserve Mid Tier (I'm unsure how I feel about Ness) but that's all I could think of.

 

[z00ted]

This is probably going to be the most controversial "opinion based" tier list thread, but I believe it depicts our current metagame to a tee.

The switches (+1, -2, or ±0, etc) were made from Tier List Version 5 to my "opinion based" Tier List Number 6 for convenience.

Tier List Version 6
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Top
S: (±0)
A: (+1) (-1) (±0) (+2) (+2) (-1)

High
B: (-4) (±0) (+2) (±0) (-2) (+1)http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=279323


Middle
C: (+2)http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=279323(-2) (+3) (+5) (+2) (-4) (+4)

D: (-3)(-5) (-2)(+1) (+2) (-3) (+2) (-2)(±0)

Low
E:(±0) (±0) (±0)
F: (+1) (+1) (-2) (±0) (±0)
Ganon: (±0)​

 

[Tesh]

hell yea, pts turn to **** low tier

 

[z00ted]

I had a hard time deciding between either him or sheik.

 

[Alphicans]

Illmatic's list seems to really reflect results strongly. I think it's one of the better lists presented so far, but marth should be higher, oli should be lower.

 

[Sinister Slush]

Working backwards here.

I'd actually see Yoshi above Shielda (Sheilda... I DON'T CARE ANYMORE) and Ness
Ike above Luigi for obvious reasons. R.O.B. A bit higher... atleast under DK maybe.
I still see Falco as 4th and maybe Olimar as 5th/6th.

 

[z00ted]

Everything you guys have brought up so far is what I had the hardest time deciding on :/

Sheilda, imo - messes up the flow of the tier list. I want to put them collectively right next to Sheik but it feels wrong.

Anyways, I know the list is really drastic, but I feel as though since the period of our last tier list opinions on certain characters as well as their metagames have evolved or devolved drastically.

 

[MJG]

Illmatic's list seems to really reflect results strongly. I think it's one of the better lists presented so far, but marth should be higher, oli should be lower.

I agree with this. I thought other factors were taken into consideration when making the official tier list though?

 

[Nike.]

This is probably going to be the most controversial "opinion based" tier list thread, but I believe it depicts our current metagame to a tee.

The switches (+1, -2, or ±0, etc) were made from Tier List Version 5 to my "opinion based" Tier List Number 6 for convenience.

How come you feel as though Toon Link deserves the bump to High Tier, while Zero Suit drops to Mid Tier and actually an extra spot?

I don't disagree, I'm just really curious, because I have trouble with where to put those 2.

 

[z00ted]

How come you feel as though Toon Link deserves the bump to High Tier, while Zero Suit drops to Mid Tier and actually an extra spot?

I don't disagree, I'm just really curious, because I have trouble with where to put those 2.

Toon Link as well as Fox deal a much higher threat to High Tiers when compared to ZSS.

I agree with this. I thought other factors were taken into consideration when making the official tier list though?

Although my least my seem very result dependent, I also took into consideration various other factors - (take a look at the Ice Climber's jump).

 

[Tesh]

I had a hard time deciding between either him or sheik.

You realize that isn't how a "tier" works right? If you can't decide which one is better, that is an indication that both belong in the same tier because the gap between them is so small.
For example I would rank Ness and PT significantly better than Bowser/Mario/Falcon/Lucas, but I would say they are significantly worse than Sheldar/Yoshi/Ike.

You don't have to keep the tiers the same size. How do you think Ganondorf and MK got their own tiers?

 

[Llumys]

Edit: I'm liking Illmatic's list.

 

[z00ted]

You realize that isn't how a "tier" works right? If you can't decide which one is better, that is an indication that both belong in the same tier because the gap between them is so small.
For example I would rank Ness and PT significantly better than Bowser/Mario/Falcon/Lucas, but I would say they are significantly worse than Sheldar/Yoshi/Ike.

You don't have to keep the tiers the same size. How do you think Ganondorf and MK got their own tiers?

I was aware of that but I wanted to follow the old structure (everyone else so far has).

 

[Raziek]

ICs are not 4th best in the game, IMO.

And while I can see you heavily weighted results, I don't believe Marth should be below Wario.

Definitely not bad, and certainly controversial, but I do disagree with those points. xD

 

[Delta-cod]

If you truly feel you can just camp and beat Bowser, you haven't played a good Bowser.

Real talk.

But... King Kong played our campiest Yoshi.
Though I guess you can factor in "KK didn't know the Yoshi Matchup"

Where did I say All he did against King Kong was camp?
I only indicated that he played you.

Context made it seem that way.

Do you name search "campiest yoshi"?









?

I name search very specific things which will remain a secret to avoid abuse. My ability to name search is so strong that I can even name search irl. Ask people. I've done it.

 

[Zigsta]

PT will never be low tier.

And even if he was, I'd grab the bejesus out of him.

 

[z00ted]

ICs are not 4th best in the game, IMO.

And while I can see you heavily weighted results, I don't believe Marth should be below Wario.

Definitely not bad, and certainly controversial, but I do disagree with those points. xD

PT will never be low tier.

And even if he was, I'd grab the bejesus out of him.

Points taken, editing the list.

 

[Jimmyfosho]

This is probably going to be the most controversial "opinion based" tier list thread, but I believe it depicts our current metagame to a tee.

The switches (+1, -2, or ±0, etc) were made from Tier List Version 5 to my "opinion based" Tier List Number 6 for convenience.

why did ness get a +2 on your list? just curious

 

[MJG]

Toon Link as well as Fox deal a much higher threat to High Tiers when compared to ZSS.




Although my least my seem very result dependent, I also took into consideration various other factors - (take a look at the Ice Climber's jump).

Oh I missed ICs on this list wtf. I don't think they are top 5 (yet) but yea...waitin for that list to come out. I might come up with a list myself but idgaf about no damn tiers.



o....sorry


afk

 

[Neon!]

illmatic moved dk up, i have the happies

 

[stingers]

God


Top


High
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Mid


Low-Mid
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Low
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Low-Bottom


Bottom
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[z00ted]

why did ness get a +2 on your list? just curious

Due to Yoshi joining mid tier and Ness overall being better than both him and Sheik.

Oh I missed ICs on this list wtf. I don't think they are top 5 (yet) but yea...waitin for that list to come out. I might come up with a list myself but idgaf about no damn tier.

Fixed a few things:

Tier List Version 6.1
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Top
S: (±0)
A: (+1) (-1) (±0) (+2) (+2) (-1)

High
B: (-4) (±0) (+2) (±0) (-2) (+1)http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=279323


Middle
C: (+2)http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=279323(-2) (+3) (+5) (+2) (-4) (+4)

D: (-3)(-5) (-2)(+1) (+2) (-3) (+2) (-2)(±0)

Low
E:(±0) (±0) (±0)
F: (+1) (+1) (-2) (±0) (±0)
Ganon: (±0)​

 

[Conviction]

I'm happy with that list, pretty sure wolf mains won't be though. So wait for it lol. If Sonic keeps up what he has been doing I can see him rising again, not an as big jump, but a slow rise. I wonder if sonic mains can keep it up.

 

[z00ted]

I raised Wolf ****ing 5 spots LOOOL, why would they NOT be happy? That's practically all they talk about.

 

[Juushichi]

Somehow I see ROB and pit being noticeably better than the people below them. Not exponentially of course, but both C IMO.

Mid tier should be the largest tier there is (and it is iirc)

 

[Conviction]

I raised Wolf ****ing 5 spots LOOOL, why would they NOT be happy? That's practically all they talk about.

Look at where Fox is at, then look back at wolf, sadly wolf is not above Fox, but look again there are flaming post of Wolf>Fox with the usual suspects, now the flames are going into the same circular debate that happens every 5 pages, now think again Wolves will never be happy until they are above Fox. I can't let you do that StarFox.

 

[stingers]

i dont think any wolves are actually that delusional they think their char is better than fox >.>