Niddo, you are mostly flat-out wrong here. First, there is not a chance in hell Snake goes even with Meta Knight. MK dances circles around him safely and off-stage it isn't even a contest. Diddy Kong is closer, but no cigar there either. Both of these match-ups have been debated for what feels like centuries and the conclusion people who play the game and watch top level play closely is: they lose. Do we really have to go back to these tired arguments again?
Only if you want to. I still see people say that Diddy Kong could be even, and I still believe Snake
possibly has the tools. The ability to disrupt MK's string of air attacks by pulling out a grenade is not something to laugh about. Even if Snake has a fair bit more damage, MK is a whole lot lighter, so it's a fair enough gamble. Snake also arguably has some of the best tools to punish MK if he messes up with his long range, fast tilts. It's not out of the realm of possibility by any means, but no, it's not there right now. That's why I said it
could be, not it
is.
More importantly, I want to know what you have against Fox. You were the first one to dispute his tier list position, and that's OK, because I mean, it's a number we assigned to him arbitrarily to rank him in the meta game and everyone is going to disagree on that. Hell, I even agree that Pikachu and Sheik hurt his viability pretty badly. But it's totally conceivable that his good qualities (of which there are many) add up to a perfectly fine match-up against MK.
I always go after the latest overhyped character until they get taken back down to their proper level. I did that with PT and Pit after all. Fox just happens to be that one atm. Next tier list when Fox gets bumped down, I'll move onto the next character.
I also never said that he didn't have any good qualities for the MU against MK. If that was true, it would be a 100-0 MU now, wouldn't it? The fact I'm saying it's 60-40 means that I'm acknowledging he has a good number of tools against MK. However, I also believe he's simply the next in the very long list of "ZOMG, X CHARACTER MAY GO EVEN WITH MK" hypetrain in addition to the tier list hype train. Again, if he's
that good against MK, why aren't people who are willing to use multiple characters bothering to learn how to use Fox?
Yes his Shine helps a lot, yes he can refresh his moves and tack on free damage with his lasers, yes his Usmash is amazing, but he still has holes in his game against MK. He can't use his laser to set up a kill like Falco can, in fact he can't even disrupt MK from whatever it was he's trying to do with his laser. MK has to approach yes, but he's free to approach whichever way he wants to. He's still a very light character, meaning that he has a much smaller margin for error. He does
generally at least rely on his Usmash for kills, meaning that's something that can be at least partly CP'd against by picking the stages with the higher ceilings. And Fox doesn't have much to use against MK's planking, or anyone's planking, which hinders Fox's "forcing an approach" game near the end of the match if MK has the lead.
To put it bluntly: I think Falco does better than Fox against MK, and there is no way Falco is even. Thus, there is no way Fox is even. *shrugs*
Look, match-ups are not as linear as "this character is bad, this character is good, bad character loses" or Peach wouldn't win anything. (
) The reality is that Fox has good qualities and many of them happen to be strong against points where MK has weaknesses, such as vertical air mobility most notably, weight, vulnerability to fast projectiles at long-range (MK basically always has to approach) etc. And of course, we have a LGL in the Unity Ruleset now.
Never said how good or bad a character is determines how they do in a MU. LGL doesn't stop temporary planking. The reality is, Fox simply does better than a good portion of the cast against MK, but he's not even against him.
