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Official BBR Tier List v5
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Placed Top 3 at a national.
Jimmyfosho
Smash Hero
Not sure if sin2 was a national but it might have but X got 2nd there
NickRiddle
#negativeNick
This is the one statement that makes no sense for tier placement.
I've beaten DEHF before. ZSS > Falco, and the MU is even.
I think Sonic should be around high-tier too, but meh.
In that case they played ~6 characters that actually matter. As far as the metagame is concerned, that's pretty much what's important.
Staz
Smash Lord
yeah I'm not sure if it considered a national or not but he did take 2nd, sin2 was pretty big, I thought.
Except you're missing some important characters like Wario, Marth, Game & Watch, King Dedede, etc.
Wario's not a part of the metagame, unless you're talking about Doubles. So many characters below him are more of a "threat" to people. DK, Peach, Lucario, TL, Fox, etc. Not to say he deserves to be below them, that would be silly, but for the most part no he's not been something you really have to look for atm. Whobo had... 3? Wario players iirc. Jnig and I, with Dphat using him vs Ally and maybe 1-2 other people using him for whatever. Do you know how many ****ing DK and Peach players there were at that? Christ lol
When I say NA metagame....I mean characters that actually....you know.....win.
Nidtendofreak
Smash Hero
Fairly sure Espy ran into Mr.Doom at MLG, so add Ike to that list.
He listed characters that were top/high tier.
NickRiddle
#negativeNick
Sonic must look high-tier to somebody with no grab to cover your mix-ups then.
Nike.
Smash Hero
From the Sonic BBR Character Thread
You don't realize how good it feels to know that we can't get grabbed.Sonic must look high-tier to somebody with no grab to cover your mix-ups then.
BUT you guys have dsmash and neutral b.
NickRiddle
#negativeNick
20 frame start-up (slower than grab)You don't realize how good it feels to know that we can't get grabbed.
BUT you guys have dsmash and neutral b.
NickRiddle
#negativeNick
I might sound like a scrub due to X being the first Sonic main I've played who was any good...
But can't you just run in, and jump over it?
Or spindash > shield?
AfroQT
Smash Master
YOSHI REPPIN DAT LOW TIER
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Jumping over it takes time and requires you to commit. We have no reliably solid, fast approaches on ZSS from the air in front of her. If you're getting downB'd into from the air in front of you, then you're simply not reacting fast enough.
Spindash clanks or loses to neutralB and dsmash. All you need to do is create space between you two for reaction purposes when you see him ball up. Or, neutralb.
Spindash clanks or loses to neutralB and dsmash. All you need to do is create space between you two for reaction purposes when you see him ball up. Or, neutralb.
Teh Future
Smash Master
this is all i see whenever you post about sonic.
just sayin
hey espy you kno tornadoing as mk requires me to commit to something must be a terrible option because like a billion moves can beat tornado
Browny
Smash Hater
Teh future speaks truths
Although getting hit by aerial down b is stil pretty inexcuseable lol.
Although getting hit by aerial down b is stil pretty inexcuseable lol.
Raziek
Charging Limit All Day
Or Espy doesn't over-rate his character like 90% of players do? It's not like he's got an ulterior motive. Sonic isn't in low tier, and he won't be making it into high, so his "tier bracket" for side tournies won't change.
It's not like a PT main (hypothetically) going "GUYS PT IS AWFUL, SHOULD BE TOP OF BOTTOM TIER SO I CAN WIN LOW TIER TOURNEYS".
It's not like a PT main (hypothetically) going "GUYS PT IS AWFUL, SHOULD BE TOP OF BOTTOM TIER SO I CAN WIN LOW TIER TOURNEYS".
Browny
Smash Hater
Bahahaha
A marth main saying that. Oh the irony
A marth main saying that. Oh the irony
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my god, browny.
you're like a textbook definition of the pot calling the kettle black.
Raziek
Charging Limit All Day
Marth has like 7 Evens and loses to MK, Diddy, Dedede, and ICs. (stagelist dependent)
Why would you automatically assume I overrate Marth?
Also, what Spelt said.
Browny
Smash Hater
Yes, because I was totally being serious when I suggested sonic would be top of b tier rofl.
@raz
I didnt directly imply you do, almost all marth mains put him in the same tier as falco/diddy whichis a joke imo. He should be a tier below oli/pika tbh, along with ddd, gw, luc, zss etc imo.
@raz
I didnt directly imply you do, almost all marth mains put him in the same tier as falco/diddy whichis a joke imo. He should be a tier below oli/pika tbh, along with ddd, gw, luc, zss etc imo.
A tier below oli/pika?
LOL
Raziek
Charging Limit All Day
Ok, that's fine, but.... he's in the right spot.
He has three disadvantaged matchups, his evens are generally with fairly uncommon characters (Wolf, ROB, DK, etc), and he's positive against the rest of the cast.
He doesn't exactly have a champion besides MikeHaze, but what exactly compels you to say he should be below someone like Wario?
The only indication that he should go down even a LITTLE is that his tournament results are somewhat lackluster compared to what you'd expect from his MU spread.
At LOWEST he's alongside Oli and Pika. (A 2 spot drop, I think?)
Browny
Smash Hater
idk, Wario seems to just have a greater ability to force a win, make stupid comebacks and hold/extend leads as long as possible? I just really dont see whats so great about marth, I dont see results showing he should be A tier and the theorycraft of his abilities doesnt convince me at all.
I just dont see any reason marth has to be in the same tier (what I would envisage) as snake, diddy, falco, oli and pikachu at the moment which doesnt also apply to lucario, zss, wario and a few others. unless you want A tier to have like 10 characters, I wouldnt put him there.
I just dont see any reason marth has to be in the same tier (what I would envisage) as snake, diddy, falco, oli and pikachu at the moment which doesnt also apply to lucario, zss, wario and a few others. unless you want A tier to have like 10 characters, I wouldnt put him there.
da K.I.D.
Smash Hero
I noticed this probably more than a year ago.
about as inexcusable as getting hit by zss's down smash.
...
aslo, about wario, yea he has the ability to hold a lead really well. but at the same time, he has the uncanny ability to drop leads like nothing ive seen.
he can go from solidly winning a match, to being down in percent or a stock within the span of one grab for a lot of characters. although he can gain the lead just as easily with the fart. its not a constant threat to others the way getting grabbed or out ranged is for him. The character just seems to be designed to be inconsistent and polarising.
in related news, how come i NEVER see warios chaingrabbing people?
da K.I.D.
Smash Hero
see i didnt say anything before, but since its not just me who sees this now, i can say that im not the one with the issue here.
Browny
Smash Hater
lol wow
enough of your posts? as in, every single one you make in this tier thread regarding sonic, being about how bad he is and how easily every character can beat him?
Because I've sure read them all. and it gets tedious
enough of your posts? as in, every single one you make in this tier thread regarding sonic, being about how bad he is and how easily every character can beat him?
Because I've sure read them all. and it gets tedious
Browny
Smash Hater
Top 10 is perfectly fine with me lol.
Kuraudo
4Aerith
What part of Espy's assessment on Sonic's mid-tier status stood out to you as "he's bad and how easily every character can beat him"? Unless that's your sarcasm working, which...kinda sucks right now tbh.
Since when was Mid Tier "bad"?
Anybody who scrubbishly just goes "lol it IS bad", I direct you to one of too many people who play the mid tier card, even the lower tier card, and still manage something at the Regional or National level.
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