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Official BBR Tier List v5

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Nestec

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First of all , i might be a noob on here but not on the game so i would kindly ask you to stop calling me that :3 8it's a bit offensive |c).
Well spoken. :)

and well i can have my opinions pal ,can't i? :3 for me ,diddy kong sucks and even though i've won torunaments with jiggly people say it sucks ,i think the tier list also depends a lot on the person's playing style , i have a hit and run strategy soo yeah ; 3; you don't have to be offensive about my opinions pal :c
Don't worry, as long as you speak your opinions intelligently, you'll be listened to. I mean, not necessarily agreed with, but this is a place where you can (in most cases) have your opinions respected.

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Or the bedroom tier.

Along with Peach and ZSS.
And Nana.

/sexism

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maybe japanese zelda's only hit with sweet spotted aerials, have godly DI and dont get baited?
and somehow manage to approach, and keep a lead....
hrmmm...why is zelda even played?
 

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maybe japanese zelda's only hit with sweet spotted aerials, have godly DI and dont get baited?
and somehow manage to approach, and keep a lead....
hrmmm...why is zelda even played?

if you count the 2 seconds that shes out on the field to roll the c stick and get a kill since sheik is so poor at it, as playing her, then thats why.
 

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Sonic da bess.
ive heared much of these sonic fanboys, but i rarely see them
its usually them frickin wolfs
or foxes
or god forbid pit.
or like
jiggs

any1 who shows up with random oneliners about their character.
they make me wanna squash ******* into eachother
or make fun of people with accents
n things
n stuff
 

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Double posting in ur threads.
So um... sarcasm, right?
Yeah sarcasm, I don't get how you can use such a garb character and not see that she sucks.

I tell them she goes 55-45 with Ganon and gets ***** by ICs but I'm just a scrub who doesn't know what I'm doing apparently.
I also can't say I'm doing good with her unless I get top 8 in a tourny with over 100 people.:awesome:
 

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Zelda disgusts me. Why is she not below Ganon exactly? I mean at least his moves LOOK cool. The coolest move Zelda has is her uair. Once we start getting into the trash tier we should just rank characters by how cool they are.

Ganon for top tier of trash tier.:cool:
 

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Honestly, he's not that cool looking past choke and ftilt.

He's as if realistically a 65 year old man were forced to fight these crazy super bats and monsters.

His "morning jog" run speed is the best though.
 

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i knew oneliners was the wrong choice of word
allayall doin it wrong

u need to add stuff like
hes just really underrated
his recovery isnt even as bad as most people say
People say he can't kill but KO power isnt that bad!!
and the like

maybe like
tell us that foxs ftilt is good

for real you guys
throw some feeling and (fake) honesty in your troll attempts
 

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gaiz i think samus should be higher on the tierlist
she has really a lot of projectiles, and can always keep you guessing on what move she will do next. her recovery is topnotch and she takes forever to kill especially with good DI. sure she may have no kill moves but if your smart you can land you're kill moves on every good player. im thinking maybe between DK and ROB, she really is good if you know how to use her right. but im justa scrub so plz dont flame me and stuff kthnxbai but im justa scrub so plz dont flame me and stuff kthnxbai

i aint gonna lie im 50 tyson

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First of all , i might be a noob on here but not on the game so i would kindly ask you to stop calling me that :3 (it's a bit offensive |c).

and well i can have my opinions pal ,can't i? :3 for me ,diddy kong sucks and even though i've won torunaments with jiggly people say it sucks ,i think the tier list also depends a lot on the person's playing style , i have a hit and run strategy soo yeah ; 3; you don't have to be offensive about my opinions pal :c

I lol'd,
Jigs is a joke, just like you.
 

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Introduction<hr size="1" style="color:; background-color:" />Below you will find the fifth official BBR tier list. Members were asked to take the latest BBR ruleset (3.1) into account for as much as possible, but ultimately votes were very much individual products as experiences differ. The exact voting procedure and data, as well as comments on specific character movements, can be found further down this article.

Thanks go out to:
-Ankoku, for his work on the data
-Shaya, for his work on the presentation
-Crow!, The Real Inferno and .joel for their help with the writeups

Tier List Version 5<hr size="1" style="color:; background-color:" />
Top
S: <img src="http://www.smashboards.com/images/char/metaknight.png" border="0" title="1. Meta Knight: ±0" width="30" height="30"></a>
A: <a href="http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=280681"><img src="images/char/snake.png" border="0" alt="" title="2. Snake: ±0" width="30" height="30"></a> <a href="http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=279322"><img src="images/char/diddy.png" border="0" alt="" title="3. Diddy Kong: ±0" width="30" height="30"></a> <a href="http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=280037"><img src="images/char/falco.png" border="0" alt="" title="4. Falco: ±0" width="30" height="30"></a> <a href="http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=282723"><img src="images/char/wariocl.png" border="0" alt="" title="5. Wario: +2" width="30" height="30"></a> <a href="http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=282135"><img src="images/char/marth.png" border="0" alt="" title="6. Marth: ±0" width="30" height="30"></a> <a href="http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=281310"><img src="images/char/popo.png" border="0" alt="" title="7. Ice Climbers: -2" width="30" height="30"></a>

High
B: <a href="http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=282725"><img src="images/char/olimar.png" border="0" alt="" title="8. Olimar: +2" width="30" height="30"></a> <a href="http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=282136"><img src="images/char/pikachu.png" border="0" alt="" title="9. Pikachu: ±0" width="30" height="30"></a> <a href="http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=282724"><img src="images/char/dedede.png" border="0" alt="" title="10. King Dedede: -2" width="30" height="30"></a> <a href="http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=282726"><img src="images/char/gw.png" border="0" alt="" title="11. Mr. Game &amp; Watch: +1" width="30" height="30"></a> <a href="http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=282137"><img src="images/char/lucario.png" border="0" alt="" title="12. Lucario: -1" width="30" height="30"></a> <a href="http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=279323"><img src="images/char/zerosuitsamus.png" border="0" alt="" title="13. Zero Suit Samus: +2" width="30" height="30"></a>

Middle
C: <a href="http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=282138"><img src="images/char/toonlink.png" border="0" alt="" title="14. Toon Link: ±0" width="30" height="30"></a> <a href="http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=280682"><img src="images/char/kirby.png" border="0" alt="" title="15. Kirby: +1" width="30" height="30"></a> <a href="http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=283305"><img src="images/char/fox.png" border="0" alt="" title="16. Fox: +4" width="30" height="30"></a> <a href="http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=281311"><img src="images/char/rob.png" border="0" alt="" title="17. R.O.B.: ±0" width="30" height="30"></a> <a href="http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=280038"><img src="images/char/pit.png" border="0" alt="" title="18. Pit: -5" width="30" height="30"></a> <a href="http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=283307"><img src="images/char/peach.png" border="0" alt="" title="19. Peach: ±0" width="30" height="30"></a> <a href="http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=283308"><img src="images/char/dk.png" border="0" alt="" title="20. Donkey Kong: -2" width="30" height="30"></a>
D: <a href="http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=283306"><img src="images/char/luigi.png" border="0" alt="" title="21. Luigi: ±0" width="30" height="30"></a> <a href="http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=283304"><img src="images/char/wolf.png" border="0" alt="" title="22. Wolf: ±0" width="30" height="30"></a> <img src="http://i54.tinypic.com/2dkx2jq.png" border="0" alt="" title="23. Zelda & Sheik: *new*" width="30" height="30"> <a href="http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=284038"><img src="images/char/sonic.png" border="0" alt="" title="24. Sonic: +2" width="30" height="30"></a> <a href="http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=284882"><img src="images/char/ike.png" border="0" alt="" title="25. Ike: +5" width="30" height="30"></a> <a href="http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=284040"><img src="images/char/shiek.png" border="0" alt="" title="26. Sheik: -2" width="30" height="30"></a> <a href="http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=284037"><img src="images/char/ness.png" border="0" alt="" title="27. Ness: ±0" width="30" height="30"></a> <a href="http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=284039"><img src="images/char/pt.png" border="0" alt="" title="28. Pokémon Trainer: -3" width="30" height="30"></a>

Low
E: <a href="http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=284883"><img src="images/char/yoshi.png" border="0" alt="" title="29. Yoshi: +2" width="30" height="30"></a> <a href="http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=284881"><img src="images/char/lucas.png" border="0" alt="" title="30. Lucas: -1" width="30" height="30"></a> <a href="http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=284884"><img src="images/char/mario.png" border="0" alt="" title="31. Mario: +1" width="30" height="30"></a> <a href="http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=284036"><img src="images/char/bowser.png" border="0" alt="" title="32. Bowser: -5" width="30" height="30"></a>
F: <a href="http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=284885"><img src="images/char/falcon.png" border="0" alt="" title="33. Captain Falcon: ±0" width="30" height="30"></a> <a href="http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=285414"><img src="images/char/samus.png" border="0" alt="" title="34. Samus: ±0" width="30" height="30"></a> <a href="http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=285411"><img src="images/char/jigglypuff.png" border="0" alt="" title="35. Jigglypuff: ±0" width="30" height="30"></a> <a href="http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=285413"><img src="images/char/link.png" border="0" alt="" title="36. Link: +1" width="30" height="30"></a> <a href="http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=285412"><img src="images/char/zelda.png" border="0" alt="" title="37. Zelda: -1" width="30" height="30"></a>
Ganon: <a href="http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=285415"><img src="images/char/ganondorf.png" border="0" alt="" title="38. Ganondorf: ±0" width="30" height="30"></a>​

Condensed Version
S: Meta Knight
A: Snake, Diddy Kong, Falco, Wario, Marth, Ice Climbers
B: Olimar, Pikachu, King Dedede, Mr. Game & Watch, Lucario, Zero Suit Samus
C: Toon Link, Kirby, Fox, R.O.B., Pit, Peach, Donkey Kong
D: Luigi, Wolf, (Zelda/Sheik), Sonic, Ike, Sheik, Ness, Pokémon Trainer
E: Yoshi, Lucas, Mario, Bowser
F: Captain Falcon, Samus, Jigglypuff, Link, Zelda
G: Ganondorf

Low tier tournaments have now officially lost Ike and gained Bowser.

Previous Tier Lists
v1 (September 1, 2008)
v2 (January 1, 2009)
v3 (June 5, 2009)
v4 (February 26, 2010)

Individual Character Movement<hr size="1" style="color:; background-color:" />Please note, that with the inclusion of "Zelda/Sheik" as a character, obviously all characters below her would have a technical drop. However, all listed movements take this new inclusion into consideration.
e.g. Ike was 29th last tier list, and is now 25th - but he has moved above 5 characters.


Voting Procedure & Data<hr size="1" style="color:; background-color:" />For the voting procedure we kept it simple this time: we had individual members order all 38 entries and averaged out the posted lists. This is how tier lists were often handled in the past, the drawback being that it requires extensive knowledge of the cast. Considering it’s been more than two years since Brawl’s release, we felt able to do it again. Based on the voting we had several ways to place the gaps after the characters were ordered and polled four of them, with the spread presented coming out victorious.

Snake, Diddy Kong and Falco (more so the first two) were extremely close in terms of achieving second spot; a lot closer than it was during v4. There is a noticeably growing train of thought towards Snake not being the second best in the game.

Code:
RANK	CHARACTER		AVERAGE	STDEV	MODE
1	Meta Knight		1	0	1	

2	Snake			3.13	1.31	2
3	Diddy Kong		3.33	1.55	3
4	Falco			3.71	1.78	4

5	Wario			5.76	1.96	5
6	Marth			5.85	1.92	5
7	Ice Climbers		6.62	1.18	7

8	Olimar			8.71	1.45	8
9	Pikachu			8.98	2.31	9
10	King Dedede		10.36	2.27	10

11	Mr. Game & Watch	12.05	2.32	12
12	Lucario			12.29	2.18	11
13	Zero Suit Samus		12.75	2.25	11
14	Toon Link		15.00	3.16	14
15	Kirby			16.05	2.61	17
16	Fox			16.55	3.38	18
17	R.O.B.			17.00	2.60	16
18	Pit			17.91	3.53	18
19	Peach			18.05	3.15	15
20	Donkey Kong		19.13	2.72	19

21	Luigi			21.56	2.67	21
22	Wolf			22.36	3.09	22
23	Zelda/Sheik		23.35	2.59	24
24	Sonic			23.82	3.34	26
25	Ike			25.22	2.79	25
26	Sheik			25.33	2.54	28
27	Ness			25.75	2.43	26

28	Pokémon Trainer		27.40	2.10	26

29	Yoshi			29.71	2.07	29
30	Lucas			29.78	2.35	30
31	Mario			30.47	3.48	32
32	Bowser			31.69	4.04	34

33	Captain Falcon		33.45	2.02	33
34	Samus			33.78	1.65	35
35	Jigglypuff		33.98	4.66	36
36	Link			35.44	1.48	36
37	Zelda			35.49	1.92	37

38	Ganondorf		37.91	0.35	38
The New Zelda/Sheik Entry<hr size="1" style="color:; background-color:" />The BBR has decided to introduce the combination of Zelda and Sheik as a character into the tier list's fifth iteration. There are several reasons for this decision.

Definition of the Zelda/Sheik entry:
Zelda/Sheik describes using both characters to the best of their abilities. This includes transforming mid-battle and choosing either of them on the character selection. Basically, Zelda/Sheik is defined as using both sides of the character as a single entity, rather than exclusively maining one of them.

Reasoning:
Zelda and Sheik can be played separately, but also in tandem. A player can decide to use either Zelda, Sheik or the combination. Unlike with Pokémon Trainer, a player is not penalized for using one of the characters for a longer time and they are also not forced to switch after a stock loss. Using the second character can improve the first one’s performance, as there are match-ups where one character has severe problems, but the other one has an easier time. You also can use tactics with the combination you couldn't use with the characters alone, for instance switching to Zelda with fresh KO moves after racking up damage with Sheik. The only drawback is needing to find a good time to switch, which isn’t helped by the fact that the Wii’s loading times determine how long it will take.

Now, one could say "Why don't you just have Zelda/Sheik as one character and remove the single entries?" Well, there's a few reasons for that, as well. As already mentioned, you can play each of the characters. You aren't forced to play the combination, and many people actually don't. Additionally, Zelda by herself is low tier, so removing her would cut down the options for low tier events at tournaments.

Individual Character Movement Explained<hr size="1" style="color:; background-color:" />
Note: This section might be updated in the future.

Winners

Fox
Fox is a reasonably viable, though difficult to use, tournament character who can hold his own against several top tiers. Watching TKD's performances against other top players, many BBR members are of the opinion Fox was underrated and might still be, despite bad matchups against Sheik and Pikachu, which goes to show a few bad matchups don't completely invalidate a character. It can even be argued that most characters in the game, including top tiers, have matchups they rather wouldn't stay in against. That said, Fox' bad matchups are on the extreme side and time will tell if he can live up to his potential.

Ike
It became readily apparent during the character discussion for Ike that he would be moving up on this tier list. Most of the BBR agreed that Ike has no business with the rest of low tier, especially with the performances of San in tournament, and on a smaller scale, players like Mr. Doom & Ryo. Aggregate tournament data also bears this out, with Ike outperforming many characters more traditionally considered to be low tiers. It is our opinion that Ike, while still having large weaknesses, is a character perfectly capable of operating in the lower sections of mid tier, much like Sonic has before him. Ike is no longer to be considered just a WiFi Noob character.

Losers

Bowser
No, Bowser's drop in placement is not because of the removal of the special pro-Bowser rule. The simple fact of the matter is that Bowser is a linear character that hasn't been successful at tournaments - even less so than most low tiers. Bowser still has some good options, but being a large target with a not particularly flexible game plan does not bode well for him as players continue to develop the metagame.

Pit
Pit's placement in the previous tier list was mostly formed based on speculation of yet-unrealized potential, but that potential (if it exists...) still has yet to materialize in regions other than Japan, where the stage selection heavily favors him. As such, he is moving down to a place which more closely corresponds to his present abilities in the US, Europe and Australia.

Pokémon Trainer
It is the opinion of the BBR that while Pokémon Trainer has the tools to keep himself from dropping back to Low Tier, he rarely performs well in tournaments outside of Reflex. It seems to us that Reflex is a massive outlier in terms of results for his character, which data seems to support. Reflex has several times the number of placings of the second best Pokémon Trainer and is close to being the character's metagame on his own. Because of this, Pokemon Trainer rounds off the bottom of the mid tier characters.


Discuss away!
Wow why is Pokemon Trainer under Ness? He CHAINGRABS HIM. Well at least Charizard
 

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that's not actually Isaac, its his son Mathew, notice the jacket and lack of a breastplate. the djinn is Flint, Isaac's first djinn, he's training Mathew, in the new golden sun you dont need a fire djinn to cast growth, mathew comes with it
 
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