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Platform drops
”N→” = co
ntrol stick to the right, “C
” = C-stick to the south east notch (down and right)
“⇒” = next frame / afterwards
Wait = idle waiting animation,
Guard = shield,
Landing =
impact landing animation,
LandingAir =
AttackAir landing lag
Frames are counted starting with the first actionable one at which inputs are entered and including Pass 0 (the first frame after which you are airborne and actionable again)
|Standard drop|Shield drop (easy)|Shield drop (perfect)|Isai drop|
Shai drop 1=4
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Shai drop 2
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Shai drop 3
Inputs:|N↓¹|L/R/Z+N↓²|L/R/Z+N↓³|N→(walk)⇒N↓|N↓⇒L/R/Z+N↓|N
⇒L/R/Z+N
|N→⇒L/R/Z+N
From
Wait
:|4 frames|5 frames|
2 frames
|5 frames|5 frames|5 frames|6 frames
From
Guard
:|19 frames|5 frames|
1 frame
|20 frames|20 frames|20 frames|21 frames
From
Landing
:|29 frames|
2 frames
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2 frames
|5 frames|
2 frames
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2 frames
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2 frames
From
LandingAir
:|4 frames|
2 frames
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2 frames
|5 frames|
2 frames
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2 frames
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2 frames
Lag from grounded attacks should always have the same lag amounts as
LandingAir.
Z-Powershield
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tauKhan
Amazing find! I can confirm the A+Z+R huge powershielding. Both for physical attacks and projectiles. For a Peach standing in
Wait and trying to poweshield Falco’s standing laser, I got a frame window of 3 for the normal powershield and 4 for the “superpowershield”. That was at a random position, I think it might provide considerably more benefit in other situations. Especially for Marth, he might be able to overcome his shield bubble misalignment bug by using this.
I believe this works because Z is the first input the game checks for when determining shield bubble size. For example, when you hold Z and lightshield, pressing L/R to different levels (even digital) does not alter shield bubble size. Because of this, I believe that holding down A to avoid grabbing is necessary to get the large powershield without grabbing. I also tried to use digital R and slight L/R analog levels with Dolphin TAS input (doing so is impossible with vanilla GCCs due to the L/R potentiometers being connected to the triggers), but this did not cause large powershields.
Also, I was / am busy watching Apex and had a couple of friends come over to watch the stream and play some Melee; why are you expecting so much from me at times like these … of course I was gonna reply to stuff like this.
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schmooblidon
you don’t use Dolphin? How do you pipe the frames from Gamecube / Wii to the gfycats you post? Do you capture your session and screencap the individual frames? (Slightly offtopic but I think this is interesting for many people who read this thread.)
I don’t have anything on the Sheik megashield yet. I will fiddle with it when I have more time, it takes probably very long to replicate. Just one wild guess: It seems obvious that the rising platform was the cause, but the Jigglypuff being in shield might have something to do with it as well. Maybe the collision detection for Samus’ fair somehow added Jigglypuff’s shield health to Sheik’s?
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¹The crouch area in this control stick input-output diagram triggers a standard platform drop:
²After angling the shield downwards for 4 frames, the shield drop area on frames 5-6 will include the entire former blue “spot dodge” zone as well as the red “shield drop” zone in the lower diagram. Upper is for frames 5-6 of angling, lower is for 1-4.
³Perfect shield drops use the tiny red zone you can see in the diagram above (labeled “shield drop”).
