Offical "Ask Cactuar Stuff... about Stuff" Thread

[soap]

my method is with Y if i want to do the jump cancels on the ground.

if im cancelling a mid air shine i use the control stick to get that 1 frame jump

 

[KirbyKaze]

Y is easier than X for multishine.

Mostly because X and B have that nasty A button wedged between them.

 

[soap]

i use Y for everything pretty much anyway, X is so far...

 

[KirbyKaze]

I learned everything with X because I'm ******** :D

 

[soap]

its just a button, i learned everything with R but switched to L cuz i felt R held back my tech by stiffening my right hand. ive switched tons of stuff for efficiency purposes, i used to not use the Cstick too

 

[KirbyKaze]

It's not just a button dammit it's a lifestyle.

 

[cultofrubik]

Cactuar, do you understand the mechanics behind doubleshining having both shines connect?

 

[Cactuar]

I know how the mechanics work, but I've never learned to multishine. It doesn't really work with my style of play.

 

[CandyAppleBlueCherry]

what's the best way to put shield pressure on a falco? i usually n/d/bair > shine > jc grab but sometimes they go too far to be grabbed (like if he puts up a light shield) and i get punished with shine combos

 

[DtJ Jungle]

nair shine

 

[(*Jman*)]

cactus sucks as pressing buttons <3 cactus

seriously there is no need to double shine ever with fox

the only time i do it is when i up throw double shine @ the edge

and i rarely do that anymore

 

[CandyAppleBlueCherry]

If you nair shine then at lower percents can't they just CC the nair and punish?

 

[HiIH]

In Shield?

 

[CandyAppleBlueCherry]

no, if you go to pressure their shield with nair and they let go and crouch cancel > shine

 

[Fever for Cowbell]

ok on shield


drilll --> grab.

 

[Tero.]

ok on shield


drilll --> grab.

dril -> shine -> jc grab

is better

 

[Fever for Cowbell]

agreed.

my bad.

 

[NJzFinest]

Cactuar our bracket match from event 52 is going up tonight.

link?

edit:

nvm, found them

 

[Fever for Cowbell]

uhm go look in the videos thread....tournament videos...then go to **** from Raynex's camera or something...its in there

 

[Brainjack]

what's the best way to put shield pressure on a falco? i usually n/d/bair > shine > jc grab but sometimes they go too far to be grabbed (like if he puts up a light shield) and i get punished with shine combos

um this doesn't really make sense to me

are they getting hit with the shine or no? cuz if so, why are you even trying to grab them and if not, how are they going anywhere?

 

[Fever for Cowbell]

shield pressure....so no they arent getting hit by the shine

if you see the light shield waveshine grab...

 

[CandyAppleBlueCherry]

Can you thunders combo marth in PAL? o:

 

[RaynEX]

i think he goes too far from it. From the videos I've seen, it doesn't look like Fox can do anything after a shine vs. Marth.

 

[CandyAppleBlueCherry]

that's kinda lame... thunders combo vs marth would be awesome xD

 

[MikeHaggarTHAKJB]

Actually he doesn't go far from it at all... out of the chars that fall from the shine he's the easiest to waveshine->jab/thunders (in PAL)
The problem with it is that Marth is so floaty that he won't get the forced get up from it, he'll just pop up and away a bit. And from there he will have almost no stun, so he can easily jump away and/or fair before you can do anything (if he's expecting it)

 

[Witchking_of_Angmar]

I've managed to make Marth stand up a couple of times after missing a tech, but it only works at really really low %s.

Also, since Marths never apparently tech the shine, I just do random **** after a shine on Marth. Like nair. Or usmash. Basically thunders combo without the jab. Very unreliable of course, but sometimes you just need to shine, and then it's good to have any type of follow-up.

 

[(*Jman*)]

i think he goes too far from it. From the videos I've seen, it doesn't look like Fox can do anything after a shine vs. Marth.

fox can up-smash marth after shine also grab just have to get the perfect WD out your shine

 

[Cactuar]

Grab doesn't need a perfect WD lol.

 

[Witchking_of_Angmar]

He's talking about PAL. You can't grab a character that's lying on the ground.

 

[RaynEX]

He's talking about PAL. You can't grab a character that's lying on the ground.

^ What he said.

 

[BrawlLover]

yeah what he said!

 

[cykofox]

yeah wat he talked

 

[Cactuar]

My mistake, people talking about PAL is weird.


If you are fast enough, you can shine Fox, have him fall down, and grab him out of the bounce. Discovered by InfernoOmni a while back, but pretty hard to pull off.

I can only assume it's possible vs other characters, but I've only seen it done in Fox ditto.

Dunno if it works in PAL though.

(Obscure game mechanics knowledge ftw.)

 

[RaynEX]

Shine->JC grab or waveshine grab?

I'm assuming its JCed.

 

[ArcNatural]

Shine->JC grab or waveshine grab?

I'm assuming its JCed.

It's actually dash grab I believe. Since dash grab has a lower grab box.

 

[KirbyKaze]

that sounds so hot.

 

[BrawlLover]

man that's tough to do, gotta get fast and precise fingers

 

[NeighborhoodP]

It's actually dash grab I believe. Since dash grab has a lower grab box.

so that's how sheik can dash grab a crouching jiggs

 

[BrawlLover]

playing sheik against jiggs is tolly scary

 

[Tero.]

so that's how sheik can dash grab a crouching jiggs

Not only sheik, i do that with marth all the time