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NY/NJ - Where do you stand on the MK-ban issue?

Orion*

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kingz-night-mare said:
Since i agree with this completely... heres what you do, you pick up a diffrent character and **** with them just too prove it.
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why dont you do that?

oh wait, youre incapable :laugh:

m2k probably could, but its not really fair to him. hes gone straight mk forever now, with no secondary, and hes not even getting first in events anymore now. theres no real reason he should have to.

that and he hates projectiles. most characters with something to camp mk with tend to do better (falco, diddy, snake). the only character that fits his playstyle, and has the options to support being a top tier character is meta. if they Banned mk, i could see him playing marth, since marths only realllly gay mu seems to be mk and he decimates a lot of other characters.
 
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Orion* said:
m2k probably could, but its not really fair to him. hes gone straight mk forever now, with no secondary, and hes not even getting first in events anymore now. theres no real reason he should have to.
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He makes alot of money and the worst he does at a tournament on average is 2nd place. So why would He need not to go all meta for? he still plays the best character in the game, and if it is not Ally or ADHD taking him out, he gets 1st.

if you play meta, there is no need for a secondary. Also if you play meta knight, you have no excuses to dish out at all.
 
Inferno3044

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BIGM1994 said:
inferno 1st of all ally shouldnt have mk by his name, 2nd all those ppl who used mk can **** hard with another character and probably used them for matchups
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Ally's MK is actually really good and used him against everyone when he was in winners. I think he deserves that MK. I actually have a lot of respect in him for being able to be good with MK without using nado.

AlMoStLeGeNdArY said:
If you ban MK you'll have to ban snake and IC also.
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ICs will never be banned. The infinite might but the character itself will never be banned. I do wanna know why you think Snake should be banned.

rathy Aro said:
MK is not broken. There's no arguement on that. So we CANNOT BAN HIM FOR BEING BROKEN. But I think some mk banned tournies in nj/ny would be cool. I would cry too much over inui not coming. I think all the mk mains have secondaries so attendance would probably not be hurt much if at all. So basically i am anti-ban, but pro mk banned tournies if that makes any sense.
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MK is broken. I don't know why you think that he isn't. Most MK mains will probably say he is.

Kaiber Kop said:
Diddy, Sonic, Falco, Snake, Luigi, Ness, Wario, IC's, MK, Olimar. None of them win the matchup but they can all certainly hold their ground against MK without the matchup being awful. Him having the least amount of bad matchups or even ones doesnt make him broken. Planking and gliding under the stage would, but we ban those anyway.
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I might be inexperienced in the MU with Luigi, but I'm pretty sure its bad. It's 65:35 MK iirc. MK doesn't count to say he can fight MK because a ditto is always even regardless of how broken or garbage the character is. I'd disagree with Sonic if anybody else said it so I guess I'll trust you. I thought it was like 6:4 or 65:35 MK. I might be wrong. I highly doubt that Ness can fight MK. What does Ness have to fight him? Also explain Olimar. Can't Kirby fight MK?
 
Kaiber Kop

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Inferno3044 said:
I might be inexperienced in the MU with Luigi, but I'm pretty sure its bad. It's 65:35 MK iirc. MK doesn't count to say he can fight MK because a ditto is always even regardless of how broken or garbage the character is. I'd disagree with Sonic if anybody else said it so I guess I'll trust you. I thought it was like 6:4 or 65:35 MK. I might be wrong. I highly doubt that Ness can fight MK. What does Ness have to fight him? Also explain Olimar. Can't Kirby fight MK?
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I can use MK as an example because MK is a character that you can fight MK with. You always have the option and it's an even matchup(disregarding controller ports). It's a perfectly good example so it counts.

Luigi kills extremely early and has good recovery. MK is very light and goes for gimps. The hit exchange alone is in Luigi's favor. MK wins with the superior moveset but the matchup is not bad. I don't mean to sound offensive but I'd need a good Luigi like JBandrew, or Boss to tell me the matchup is bad to believe it.

I know Sonic is 6:4 MK. Whether you disagree or not is irrelevent.

We all saw, unless you missed it, the ness player in CA beat top MK's at Genesis(I believe it was genesis. It was a CA event). He said he doesnt have issues with the matchup.

Olimar? Really? He gets gimped but other that that hes fine.

Kirby and probably others can as well but I never see Kirby vs MK other than the one match I saw of Chu vs Inui.
 
Kaiber Kop

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_Yes!_ said:
That vid makes me laugh every time.

We need to hang out soon mister kai.
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Agreed. I never watch it unless someone links it but it's funny every time.

I'll be at KTAR, probably VC, and probably the Weigraf. Going to any of those?
 
Mrs.BlackWaltzX

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I'm not a fan of Smash. I mostly see MKs, and quite frankly, it's not any better than watching any other character. :D

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In reply to Ether on the bottom just because I don't want to bump the thread.

Oh Ether, you put my opinion in such high regard! But it must be true with all these people backing out of the game! But, again, it's my opinion. I guess any person who doesn't enjoy/play the game can become bored with all the characters.
 
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Mrs.BlackWaltzX said:
I'm not a fan of Smash. I mostly see MKs, and quite frankly, it's not any better than watching any other character. :D
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Thus, it has been determined that every character in the game shall be banned! This is probably the best suggestion that I have heard on this subject.
 
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Dark.Pch said:
No you would not. For Snake you have DDD and a few other characxters that go even with him.
IC you have characters that beat them or go even with them.
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Present to me one MK banned tourney with a d3 beating a legit snake and maybe i'll believe you. I brought this up in another thread the claims of d3 being the best with out MK or d3 snake being even simply isn't true. Snake wins the match up it's happened too many times to be be stated other wise. Who else goes even with snake? RoB? Wolf? olimar? what a joke LoL. If snake saw the numbers that MK did in tournaments people would be crying to ban him also.

Inferno3044 said:
ICs will never be banned. The infinite might but the character itself will never be banned. I do wanna know why you think Snake should be banned.
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Not even the CG I just don't like playing against them and things it takes away from the game in general. I mean their two characters that can do tow different things. You can only grab them with a couple of characters. If they were more popular it would definitely be more degenerative than any amount of MK's. But that's just me.
 
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Kaiber Kop said:
Luigi kills extremely early and has good recovery. MK is very light and goes for gimps. The hit exchange alone is in Luigi's favor. MK wins with the superior moveset but the matchup is not bad. I don't mean to sound offensive but I'd need a good Luigi like JBandrew, or Boss to tell me the matchup is bad to believe it.
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I will say that against MK, Luigi does not have a good recovery. If the MK is experienced with Dair gimps, which any MK should be, Luigi should never recover. His side B always gets daired and with the right prediction his down b does as well. If I remember correctly, also, jab->up b isn't guaranteed on MK and with his lack of range and pokes longer than MK's sword, the matchup seems very unwinnable to me. Much mindgames needed. But that's just from someone who doesn't play Luigi as a main, although I use him a lot in friendlies.

I don't know where I stand on this issue anymore. When I think of the future of this game, though, I get horrified when I think of how gay people will probably play and how long tournaments will run because of it lmao
 
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People have put atleast a year+ into playing their meta-knights. It's not fair to make them lose their character when it's still quite possible other chars have an ok match up. You can't just tell m2k to go pick up another character. If I played a game for a YEAR straight, and had to start from pretty much scratch, with learning muscle/memory match ups/getting into a new character rhythm. I'd say Eff it, and i'd go do something else.

Broken is when it's to the point that EVERYONE is forced to be meta-knight. Didn't ally just say he doesn't play that Meta?

People always change their opinions based upon who's effing winning.

IN Melee people were crying about Fox and Marth forever, Not often did anyone think Jigglypuff was broken. Until mango and hbox got real good and started ******. Now everyone is crying about jiggs being broken.

You know how many marth mains there were when Ken was on the throne? and while m2k was wrecking faces? I go to FL tournies now and I run into rarely any marths anymore. People tend to follow the winning character choice and assume it will also do them justice.

By no means am I saying metaknight is not top tier or anything. But be real with yourself it's player/experience based. M2k spent so much time weighing options and how to cover them developing them for himself, then applied them. And everyone watched and scurried to catch up to his new tactics with marth. his skills of option weighing just transferred to brawl and now everyone is trying to catch up.

Dunno that's how I see it.

I don't Think Meta should be banned, nor do I think Jiggs should be banned in melee, Nor do I think something like wobbling should be banned. Quit trying to jump your chances at winning just because you can't beat m2k's mk and a few other meta knights.

The only type of Ban I believe in is when it involves something random like Items/Tripping/Stages killing you at random intervals/Or In Melee Luigi's Forward B, and/or stitch face.
 
Allied

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MK's are mad easy to beat son

get @ me

inb4 dmbrandon/shadow money matching me
 
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BigM please refrain from posting, you're really dumb lol.

There are smart anti-ban people

then there are idiots that are like

HURR DURR I MAIN MK PLEZ DONT BAN HIM LOLZ AND IF ALLY AND ADHD CAN BEAT MY CHARACTER DEN ANY1 CAN HURR DURR




Btw I'm anti-ban / neutral. The only reason I'm not full anti-ban is that it's kinda disappointing that characters like, ROB, Peach, gnw, luigi, and others are limited to a degree of competitive play because of MK. However, I'm anti-ban mostly because after using MK in friendlies a lot, in moneymatches, pretty much everywhere except for in tourney, I do realize that he can be beaten and that his matchups are sort of overrated. The people that want to ban him are usually mains of one of the above characters, or, people that haven't developed strong enough matchup experience against him.
 
Allied

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The only thing i can say is most of pro-ban haven't played a legitmate fighter before where there is a best character and got the wrong impression of equality from melee.

Now that there is a best character all the pro-ban think "OMG what is this how come there isn't falco/fox/peach sharing top spots" because this is how a real fighter works

High tiers that dominate

Lower tiers

simple as that if anyone whos on pro-ban tried other fighters (which i can bet they haven't) they would realize right away there are worse games in terms of tier dominance than brawl hahah

anyway metaknight isn't going to be banned anyway

this thread is now about cute puppies

 
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lmao at the cute puppies, and yea thinking about it they might actually have more of a reason to ban jiggs in melee than mk in brawl

allied i also think alot of pro ban ppl are biased for there character but most of the smart biased ppl are netrual
 
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BIGM1994 said:
lmao at the cute puppies, and yea thinking about it they might actually have more of a reason to ban jiggs in melee than mk in brawl

allied i also think alot of pro ban ppl are biased for there character but most of the smart biased ppl are netrual
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Jiggs in melee won't be banned i honeslty just think thats a matchup people need to learn and i've faced jigglypuff's in melee (not saying i'm good) i just threat the matchup like its brawl ;]

Not all pro ban ppl are biased for there character but most are i would say i guarentee you if you check most pro bans main character its something if mid - low tier quality

not saying thats bad but i'm sure it can feed into pro-ban a little bit but regardless MK isn't getting banned and if he does i'm quitting and i'm sure half of the brawl population is quitting this game too

They will be like "LULZ attendance is SOOOO good oh wait no its not!"
 
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lol yea and btw with the jiggs same with mk in brawl ppl just need to learn it but other than that jiggs have won every melee tournament that magno have been to for like a year now. and 2 jiggs in the top 2 in pound. and yea agreed not most pro ban are biased but i would say alot are
 
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