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[_Rocky_]

Why not 1 round of large pools that leads into a 48/64 man bracket lol?

 

[Silent Wolf]

word. im gonna go with my original plan of 16 pools of 5-6 with top 3 advancing to a 48 man bracket. 1st seeds get byes.

i just thought id change it since we have an entire extra day for the tournament, but ill just keep it the way it was. ill update the OP in a bit

think im gonna run crews as the side tournament on day 2. i dont think anything else would generate as much hype/be as fun

 

[omgwtfToph]

yea I agree on the crews thing

I hope wes/pp/sion/axe/sw are down to do the Falco RR thing though I'm trying to watch that!!

 

[HyugaRicdeau]

Pools is about having more sets to have an ostensibly better measure of skill. I wouldn't do pools with fewer than 6 people per pool, and each round of pools should generally shoot for eliminating half the players, except for perhaps the first round where you might eliminate people down to a convenient number (like 48 or 64). The main reason as has been pointed out is that ties become more frequent and less manageable, and results in the unpleasant scenario of someone only losing 1 set but being eliminated from the tournament.

I'd also like to advocate the following pools tiebreak method:
Individual game records are not tracked. The tiebreak is based on which person beat a higher ranked person in the pool. Not higher seeded, but higher ranked based on the results of the pool. If there is a tie that this doesn't resolve (this will almost certainly be a 3-way tie but it's possible for it to be 2-way also), the tied players play a round robin of 1 game rematches (using stage striking) until the tie is broken.

 

[omgwtfToph]

The main reason as has been pointed out is that ties become more frequent and less manageable, and results in the unpleasant scenario of someone only losing 1 set but being eliminated from the tournament.

Tafokiiiintz *shakes fist*

Also I agree with everything else Sheridan said and think we have plenty of time to do rematches to sort out 3-way ties if it comes to it.

 

[Dr Peepee]

yea I agree on the crews thing

I hope wes/pp/sion/axe/sw are down to do the Falco RR thing though I'm trying to watch that!!

There is never a bad time to practice Falco dittos LOL.

I'll do it if it gets set up. =p

 

[Scar]

love the title otto <3

the only thing i'd like to recommend is a lot of Bo5s towards the end of the tourney. I think a large tourney should have a significant number of Bo5s late in singles especially... the majority of the fun of the tournament and the vids is to see the best players go at it, so i'd urge you guys to strongly consider doing more Bo5 than usual (maybe for top 8 winners and losers)

 

[Beat!]

Most european tourneys run Bo5 from the 2nd round of bracket and onwards, and there are (usually) no time issues.

Just sayin'

Also, please stream the Falco ditto RR :3

 

[Silent Wolf]

o0o0o im loving these ideas. keep em coming. i want to make sure this tournament is as enjoyable as possible

 

[MattDotZeb]

I'm still suggesting the idea of Random Crews for day2.

Everyone's name goes in a hat. TO pulls a name from the hat and calls that player to the hat. That player now draws a name from the hat, and the person drawn goes on the same crew as the person that drew the name.
Rinse and repeat until everyone has a crew-mate. Requires an even number of entrants.

 

[omgwtfToph]

I think we should see what kind of crews we have available for the 4v4 (or however many vs. however many) regional crews, and if it looks like the crew battles might be anticlimactic or there's like an obvious winner then we go for that instead. Or we run that after 4v4 crews if there's time.

 

[Silent Wolf]

what toph said. forgot about random crews tho. that could be tight and everyone could play

 

[C!Z]

I'd like to see no stage bans in the Bo5 along with no playing on the same stage you've already won on.

 

[omgwtfToph]

^ EVERYONE COUNTERPICK KONGO ON THIS GUY, that stage makes him tremble in his boots and crumble under pressure

*cough* LOL jk that's a good idea.

 

[shadrach kabango]

i got $5 on sion

ben im down to carpool if by some infinitesimal chance u get other people

i am not confident in driving stick, although i have been taught

 

[Silent Wolf]

I'd like to see no stage bans in the Bo5 along with no playing on the same stage you've already won on.

why is that? i might be down

 

[C!Z]

Thanks for assuming I'll be in the Bo5 matches, Toph.

I just think it shows who has stage and match up knowledge. I've also always hated Dave's stupid rule of being able to go to a stage you just won on 2 games ago.

 

[omgwtfToph]

Thanks for assuming I'll be in the Bo5 matches, Toph.

Well

yeah. :D

 

[Tope]

Damn, I wanna go, but I think I'm about to Navy'd out.

I'll get the final word later today.

Me & my military.

 

[Scar]

damn tope, lmk what happens

@ C!Z the only thing that sucks is when you're in a MU with relatively ****ty stages, and you can only go to stages that counterpick you or the stage you already lost on

for example when i played dajuan i had to pick BF 2 times even though i had already lost there, because i had won the first 2 (on yoshi's and PS). he has a cg on FD, fountain and yoshi's suck, and he banned DL64. luckily BF is neutral, but it still sucks.

I feel like you should be able to go back to the stage you "stage striked" as many times as you want, then everything would be fair

 

[C!Z]

Well that's why I also said no bans. So you would have your DL64 as well. There's 7 stages availabe, and I mean if you can't win on more than just two... that's kinda janky imo =\

 

[Silent Wolf]

hmm. id like some more people to give input on this before i make a decision. i could go either way. my main concern with that is that there really is no problem with seeing the same stage being played on more than once. also some stages are just super ****ty for certain characters. i do like what ciz said here: "There's 7 stages availabe, and I mean if you can't win on more than just two... that's kinda janky imo =\ " and if players want i will allow them to go back to stages previously played on if both players agree.

i think that as it stands im gonna go with the idea of no stage bans and no countering the same stage you previously won on. so at this point if you disagree youll have to convince me otherwise.

as for sets..i think im gonna make all sets in the bracket 3/5 and have finals be 4/7 since well have time and thatd be awesome

 

[xXx-NoobKing-xXx]

DSR modified. Just leave it alone people. God damn.

and PLEASE don't take off stage bans. FoD is ****ing gay and I don't wanna have to play it every single set.

 

[Dr Peepee]

I like SW's decision.

 

[TheCrimsonBlur]

guaranteed FD v. the ocean of spacies at this tournament?

Sounds good to me. Lesssgooo

 

[Silent Wolf]

DSR modified. Just leave it alone people. God damn.

and PLEASE don't take off stage bans. FoD is ****ing gay and I don't wanna have to play it every single set.

thats not very convincing. FoD isnt even bad for falcon ur just a *****. you should worry about FoD once you make it outta pools. at worst you only lsoe on FoD once then they cant choose it.

i am going to keep pools using the original format. stage bans + you only cant counter the last stage you won on, as pools will only be 2/3 sets

 

[HyugaRicdeau]

I don't think you should be able to win a set by beating someone on your CP more than once. The only stage I think you should be able to CP after winning on is the initial stage that was struck to. This is presuming that there are only 5 or so valid stages (either 5 with no bans, or 7 with 1 ban each).

4/7 sounds rather exorbitant but if that's what people want to do, sure.

 

[xXx-NoobKing-xXx]

I hate you otto >=(

 

[Juggleguy]

god damn

Fountain of Dreams is gonna be Fountain of Nightmares for the poor Falcon mains at this...

 

[C!Z]

What falcon main that does well dislikes FoD? Please come forth.

Also, you won't have to worry about it unless you make it to bracket.

 

[Violence]

*sigh* Samus Falco on FD...

*spends the rest of this month learning how the **** to powershield.... with ****ing Samus...*


****.

 

[Scar]

I don't think you should be able to win a set by beating someone on your CP more than once. The only stage I think you should be able to CP after winning on is the initial stage that was struck to. This is presuming that there are only 5 or so valid stages (either 5 with no bans, or 7 with 1 ban each).

i completely agree with this. also, the logic behind 7 stages and 1 ban each is really simple:

there should be no more than 1 stage that is complete bull**** in a matchup, so remove it on both sides. (note that if there's a bull**** stage, then there's no point in 3/5, it may as well be 2/3 with 1 ban, except the other person gets to style on you and you have to feel like a punk, like pika falcon FD)

now you're down to 5 stages. there is 1 stage that you both agree on at the beginning as the best / most fair stage. if i win there why can't i go back? i never counterpicked it, we both picked it. this stage should be a safe haven if you ever get trapped by some BS. and the goal of the ruleset should be to eliminate BS.

 

[Juggleguy]

What falcon main that does well dislikes FoD? Please come forth.

Also, you won't have to worry about it unless you make it to bracket.

Me: Darkrain, I've never seen you play a tourney match on Fountain. Do you ban it every time?
Darkrain: Yes.
Me: ... that was a fast reply.
Darkrain: It's unplayable.

 

[C!Z]

Haha unplayable is a bit exaggerated. I know some of the great falcon mains don't mind it all. Well if the goal is to eliminate BS then I don't see why Stadium or Kongo are legal. You fast faller mains gotta have have something against you.

 

[Scar]

i agree, i think 7 stages is stupid too, which is why i like 5 stages 2 bans and DSR except on the stricken stage

 

[xXx-NoobKing-xXx]

What falcon main that does well dislikes FoD? Please come forth.

Also, you won't have to worry about it unless you make it to bracket.

making bracket will be an easy task for me at this. I just hope you can say the same for yourself there Ciz wizzer.

FoD ****s with alot of falcons ****. Looks like dark rain beat me to it on that one though. I too ban it against almost every character i come up against in tournament. I'd rather see a marth on yoshi's, A fox on yoshi's/poke, a falco on ANY stage but FoD. same w/peach and sheik. It's just a bad stage for falcon for so many reasons.

 

[omgwtfToph]

guaranteed FD v. the ocean of spacies at this tournament?

Sounds good to me. Lesssgooo

Btw, I'll MM your Marth on FD only with Fox, $5 ;D

edit: Also FoD is Mach Dash's favorite stage and he would always CP me there and **** me super hard after I beat him on Battlefield (this happened to me like 3 times lol). I'm not convinced it's not a personal preference thing but that's all just for the sake of argument; I like Sheridan's posted ruleset the best

 

[Silent Wolf]

FoD doesnt **** up a lot of falcons ****. just learn hwo to play on that stage rather than going for stuff without being aware of the platforms lol. ive seen s2j **** **** on that stage, proving it is perfectly playable.

keep giving input on the stage rules plz. im gonna put more thought into it before i make a decision. toph say something. i know you prob have something useful to add

 

[xXx-NoobKing-xXx]

So one falcon ***** on it and it's playable. lol. aight.

 

[Silent Wolf]

One falcon is all it takes to prove it is playable. I'm not saying it proves that all falcons play well on it. I myself like fod as falcon cuz I spend less time *****ing about it then trying to understand it

Edit: I'm leaning towards 7 stages, 1 ban each, and no countering any stage you won on with the stage you guys striked to being an exception.