NU to OU: The Next Chapter

[UltiMario]

Power Gem would still be a welcome addition for the ability to run a pure special set and not have Stone Edge weakened by Intimidate, and Explosion instead... well. kills you to kill them.

 

[Circa]

Power Gem would still be a welcome addition for the ability to run a pure special set and not have Stone Edge weakened by Intimidate, and Explosion instead... well. kills you to kill them.

Well now you're completely walled by Blissey and Snorlax.

Why are you requesting Power Gem again? You realize just how much more useful Explosion is over Power Gem in general, right?

 

[UltiMario]

For a Specs set. Killing Gyara without killing yourself. Etc. It's a good addition to have regardless if it is only a little useful.

BTW Blissey walls all of the non-Uber Specs users in the game.
Point void.

 

[Wave⁂]

I'm not sure why you can't have both.

 

[Pink Reaper]

For a Specs set. Killing Gyara without killing yourself. Etc. It's a good addition to have regardless if it is only a little useful.

BTW Blissey walls all of the non-Uber Specs users in the game.
Point void.

Even some ubers specs users LOL.

 

[Circa]

For a Specs set. Killing Gyara without killing yourself. Etc. It's a good addition to have regardless if it is only a little useful.

BTW Blissey walls all of the non-Uber Specs users in the game.
Point void.

Heatran. And Explosion is so useful on it that they typically force themselves to forgo better type coverage just so they can blow up on stuff. The only reason Heatran's Specs set doesn't mention it is because they seem to assume that you're getting the Flash Fire boost on the switch. And at that point, you're basically leveling cities; even the ones named Blissey.

I really wasn't saying that it shouldn't get Power Gem (although I do believe its lack of an actual gem aesthetically kind of makes me wonder, but whatevs). I'm just questioning what set you're going to actually find usage of this move without making the choice sub-optimal to something else.

And just to throw it out there, Camerupt's Explosion does more damage without EV investment than Camerupt's Specs, + natured and full EV'd Fire Blast does. Sure it kills you, but the fact that it also typically kills something on the opposing team makes it much more useful.

...speaking of Heatran there at the beginning, is there really a point of discussing Camerupt's shift to OU when it's pretty much outclassed in every way by Heatran? I'm assuming we're just meaning maybe NU to BL for him, but I just thought I'd ask. It's kind of hard to compete with something that basically does the same thing as you, has better defensive typing, and overall better stats than it.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Camerupt has STAB Earth Power... :D

-Terywj

 

[Metal~Mario]

^This.

He also walls Electric types better than Heatran.

Considering he's neutral to both common HPs.

Bulky stats could be really good for him.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

So now the question becomes how bulky do we make Camerupt?

-Terywj

 

[Wave⁂]

100 HP / 115 Def / 85 SpDef?

He looks more physically than specially bulky.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

I agree with being more physically bulky, so something like 105 / 115 / 85 sounds like a reasonable yet beneficial upgrade. What do you guys think?

-Terywj

 

[UltiMario]

Eh.

The problem with him is that anything with a Water and a fair share of things with a ground type move will always counter him, and pretty much keep him in NU with even those buffs.

Terribad typing is terribad.

 

[Wave⁂]

Wonder Guard that *****

 

[UltiMario]

This is not Zook.

This is Camerupt.

 

[Circa]

^This.

He also walls Electric types better than Heatran.

Considering he's neutral to both common HPs.

Bulky stats could be really good for him.

Except for the fact that the Pokemon who use HP Electric are quite often coupling it with Water-type STAB. It may do better at walling things like Rotom or Jolteon who actually get STAB on TBolt, but there are other things that typically do that job better as well.

Making it physically bulky isn't helping at all by the way. Heatran's running 91/106/106, has a higher base Speed stat by 37 points, and has a MUCH better Special Attack stat to **** people over. And it has more resistances/immunities. The only thing really going for it is what Terywj mentioned about STAB on Earth Power. So the truth of the matter is, unless you're letting Camerupt hit 600 BST, it's never going to truly hit something that will make people think "Oh, we should use Camerupt instead of Heatran in OU. It does the job better."

That physically bulky stat spread might get him to UU though, so long as he can find time there to Rock Polish for a potential sweep.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Very well. Then we just ditch the poor camel and move on.

Suggestions?

+1 to whoever gets the reference.

-Terywj

 

[Wave⁂]

Ninetales is outclassed by almost every Fire-type out there.

Octorok is a great Baton Pass recipient.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

I wasn't throwing those two as suggestions. I was posting them because they're both NU and for the reference.

-Terywj

 

[CRASHiC]

Changes to Nintales:

Fire/Normal
(yes, its weak to earthquake and fighting, but its stab is incredibly unique)
Magic Guard (makes perfect aesthetic sense, Ninetales being a magic fox) A new ability that makes all attacks have 100 percent accuracy.
Stat changes-
HP- 70
ACK- 90
DEF- 60
SpA- 95
SpD- 60
Spe- 130

Movepool changes:
Wish, Reflect, Light Screen, Baton Pass, Healing Wish, Pursuit, Moon Light, Extreme Speed, Taunt, Trick, Superpower, Shadow Ball, Shadow Sneak

The idea here is obvious, take Nintails's incredibly unique movepool and utile it to make it one of the best statuses spreaders and support pokemon around. The Fire/Noramal type comes with its draw backs, but the increase coverage in stab, as well as gaining an immunity to ghost comes with some advantages. I'm not looking at Ninetails to be the kind of pokemon that can take a hit, so the weakness to earthquake and fighting moves is a little irrelevant to me. My first idea was to make it Fire and Psychic, but with Pursuit running aruond, that seems an ever worse idea. Granting STAB on Extreme Speed will allow it to function as a revenge killer should the situation call for it. The focus here however is on its support and stall. By granting it a 100 percent accuracy on hypnosys, coupled with a speed stat of a blistering 130, Ninetails is looking quite scary. The already obvious counter is of course TTar, but even he has to be weary of switching in against burn, making its choice item useless, or the new addition of Superpower. Where this Ninetails really shines is in its versatility. It can be rather unpredictable to wall, as it now has access to a large pool of special and physical moves, as well as the ability to set up many support options for its team. This grants it a quality that is generally only seen in Ubers, the guessing game of "what set is it using?" or die.

This is the Ninetails I've always dreamed of. It may not be an earth shattering force, but it does have potential.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

So you think No Guard and Magic Guard should be the new ability for it?

I support Magic Guard moreso than No Guard.
80 / 75 / 75 / 90 / 90 / 115

This is slightly less bulky than Clefable, who works wonders with Magic Guard.

-Terywj

 

[CRASHiC]

Fire and bulky is a bad idea.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Fire and bulky is a bad idea.

It doesn't really matter. Ninetales has roughly 75 / 75 / 100 defenses to begin with, so changing it to 80 / 75/ 90 is not that much of a change.

-Terywj

 

[CRASHiC]

What tier is Ninetales again? It takes the base stats of a legendary to be a successful bulky fire pokemon, other wise you are dooming it to NU tier.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

What tier is Ninetales again? It takes the base stats of a legendary to be a successful bulky fire pokemon, other wise you are dooming it to NU tier.

Ninetales in NU. But again, I didn't mean for Ninetales+Octillery to be suggestions.

They were moreso a reference / meme.

-Terywj

 

[Wave⁂]

OU without Hail, go

 

[Terywj [태리]]

120 / 110 / 110 defenses? With Thick Fat it could absorb stuff. And it still has Super Fang+Brine on the offensive front.

-Terywj

 

[Terywj [태리]]

120 / 110 / 110 defenses? With Thick Fat it could absorb stuff. And it still has Super Fang+Brine on the offensive front.

-Terywj

So I guess everybody forgot about this...?

-Terywj

 

[Metal~Mario]

Walrein=Swampert with his Ground half replaced with Ice.

You can't really fix Walrein without changing his typing.

We would have to nerf Walrein in some way for your BSC (Base Stat Changes) to work.

Otherwise, he's invincible in Hail.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

And that's why I suggested something decently bulky like 120 / 110 defenses.

-Terywj

 

[PowerBomb]

Bump

Isn't having an Ice-typing bad enough already?

 

[Riddle]

Not if you make it fast and give it amazing special attack and give it mountaineer and make it immune to bullet punch.

Oh wait yeah, it sucks.

 

[Shy Guy 86]

May I join?

Nidoking stat bumps:

85/115/80/97/75/93

This way Nidoking can be an effective wall-breaker in OU, aswell as a great sweeper.

Manectric stat bumps:

70/95/65/105/65/115

With these stats Manectric can be a good mixed sweeper, combined with a good movepool with Thunderbolt/Ice Fang/Flamethrower and Crunch he would work great.

Movepool bumps:

More pokemon(particularly Electric types) should have access to Aurora Beam

 

[UltiMario]

Nidoking isn't NU so technically we can't mess with him.

Also, stat changes are only a last option if movesets and nature changes won't help them.

Third, why Aurora Beam when Hidden Power Ice is stronger?

 

[UltiMario]

Crappy school computers suck

 

[Circa]

Nidoking isn't NU so technically we can't mess with him.

Also, stat changes are only a last option if movesets and nature changes won't help them.

Third, why Aurora Beam when Hidden Power Ice is stronger?

So you could save your HP for something else. For instance, if Jolteon got Aurora Beam it could run HP Grass as well.

Or at least that's what I'm assuming his thought process is.

 

[Shy Guy 86]

So you could save your HP for something else. For instance, if Jolteon got Aurora Beam it could run HP Grass as well.

Or at least that's what I'm assuming his thought process is.

That was exactly what I thought.

I just thought of something good for Flareon, if it had Technician and Flame Wheel, it can work with some pretty good moves and a decent Physical STAB with a Technician boosted Flame Wheel.

Flame Wheel, Bite and Quick Attack are all boosted by Technician, so it gets a base 90 STAB, base 90 Attack and a base 60 Priority move. alongside those it can possibly run Lava Plume, Superpower or hell even Rock Smash might work.

Technician + Flame Wheel might work great for Flareon. and some swapping between its Special Attack, Special Defence and Speed could make it even better.

 

[PowerBomb]

Let's change Regigigas.

Give it Recover, Protect, Endure, and Substitute. There, it's somewhat fixed. Now make Slow Start 3 turns instead of 5.

Done.

 

[Metal~Mario]

That's a little too much.

Protect is probably all he needs to be better.

Or the shortening of Slow Start.

Problem is, he's meant to suck. So weakening his ability would really ruin what GF had intended for him. He was created with the intention of being really bad.

 

[Metal~Mario]

Ingore plz.

 

[PowerBomb]

Wasn't this thread created with the intention of making these NU Pokes... OU-worthy?

Or am I seriously getting something wrong here?

Just shorten Slow Start and give him Protect and Substitute, actually. I think that would fix him to an extent.