Notebooks

[Divinokage]

I guess as long as you don't actually get genuinely mad when you do a mistake but use your frustration to fix your mistake instead then the people around you shouldn't feel awkward or think that you are johning.

 

[N.A.G.A.C.E]

i have had one friend tell me i shouldn't get so mad which made me feel awkward lol, but in truth i dont really get mad when i play melee. (i use to get mad when i played brawl, but not melee... good thing i stopped playing brawl i guess) The only time recently i have gotten legit mad playing melee was at a tourney were i forgot my good controller at school, I kept messing up all my techs and got pretty pissed.

So kage do u ever get mad when u play? I almost feel going in as a warrior u might not get mad but maybe very competitive which some could take as being mad.

this post is off topic for sure.

 

[Divinokage]

Ya of course I do, if I get destroyed like nothing.. it feels pretty bad for sure but more due to the fact that I hate losing. I think I can get mad if this happens repeatedly and the opponent also makes fun of me on top of that then in this case, I might snap but it's very rare that happens. This probably only happened several times in 5 years. Also if I lose a tournament set, I feel pretty bad for 10-15 mins but then I return to my regular happy self. I can't really remember my tournament matches at all though, it's so intense that it requires much focus just to outplay your opponent so I just watch the video later if it was recorded to see how it was and how I could've done better in certain situations.

But my mindset while playing friendlies at people's place is usually like whether im losing or winning doesn't really matter, it's good enough for me that I'm playing with my friends in a game that I love to play and talk ****/have fun. There's always lots of funny BS that happens in every game and it's always a thrill to see it. As for learning stuff, I try to keep notes in my head if I did the same mistakes too many times or just to see what I can do better. Like, knowing better punishes or counter-attacks to moves.. or better mix-ups. Things like that.

 

[Bing]

idk about u kage but i feel its kinda natural to hit yourself a little when u do something dumb, b/c who isnt upset at themselves when they make a dumb mistake.

I punch myself in the thigh XD not like a hammerton fist but enough to be like "you ****ed up Brad"...

 

[joeplicate]

The best thing to do is have a better player take notes on your play and hand the notes over to you, in my opinion. The majority of people have a hard time keeping track of their own mistakes, and most people who are judging your gameplay have a hard time giving all of the advice after your matches are over.

this seems like a bad idea IMO

ultimately you know your own game better than anybody else. even if a better pro can point out more mistakes when he's watching your match, he can't empathize with the game that's going on as much as you can. you can distinguish between what was a tech skill mistake, what was a bad habit, etc etc much better than anybody else can do that for you.

you can't rely on other people to point out and fix the mistakes in your game FOR you. that's something you need to do for yourself. if you can't pick out the errors in your game, you need to learn A-****in-SAP. that's the what the whole process of getting better is about. nobody can improve on your behalf, you need to teach yourself.

it's good and cool to ask for advice from a good player. if they're watching over your shoulder, they can make you notice things you might not have seen before. but the whole purpose of them doing that is making sure that YOU understand what they're pointing out. it's like the difference between getting a lecture outline for a big class and going to your professor's office hours to discuss a book you read. if you put a lot of effort into studying the outline, you can guess at what the professor's trying to tell you. but if you are right there with the teacher, exploring new ideas as you experience them, you're engaging in active learning.

if a good player stood behind you, and handed you a laundry-list of things you need to work on after the match was over, wouldn't you feel a little cheated? (who would do this anyways? LOL) it's way better to ask for advice yourself and open up a dialogue about smash, especially as the match is going on. it's so helpful to have your bad habits pointed out to you as you do them----it's hands-on, and it sticks better.

why would you put extra effort in to make something harder to understand?

I think I would mainly end up righting down percents

percents have always been intuitive for me. i'm not sure if it would be helpful for most players to write them down and study them. (i know m2k does, but his learning style is an exception. and don't take this the wrong way--that guy's brain is weird LOL) after doing something a certain number of times, you just pick up on it: "this will kill" or "this won't kill." that's how it's been for me, at least.





i'm a pretty big fan of smash notebooks, since i do a lot of writing in general.

writing something down in a journal is a great way to make it last. by committing that thought to paper, you open up the possibility of reviewing it later on. and if you wrote something down, it has to be important in some way, since you thought it was an important thing to take notice of.

keeping smash notes is amazing for BAD HABITS. you notice yourself getting punished over and over for a stupid spot dodge, you think "gee this is important, i should take notice of it," and then you can go back to your notes later to see if you eradicated it.

notes can be whatever you want, as long as it helps you improve. usually when i take player notes i try to relate it back to something i can improve in myself. playing SFAT's little brother is cool and all, but you don't need to worry about what to ban against him in tournament. BUT if you notice something about YOURSELF when you're playing him, then that's something you can fix and then take with you for the rest of time.


the danger of overthinking:
if your emotions aren't in the right place when you play smash, you won't improve, period. if you want to get better, you must be observant, positive, and flexible. so many people forget what it feels like to learn, and even though they keep grinding out hours of tech skill a day, they don't learn anything new, and so they don't improve.

they wouldn't call it over-thinking if there wasn't something wrong with it. lots of people put TOO much stock into the game. they stress about it, doubt their progress, and hit themselves over the head for not getting better. thinking is fine, but overthinking is balls.

of course dr peepee has put mountains of thought into every aspect of his game. but if you know something, you don't have to turn it into words, write about it, and remind yourself of it every day. laboriously disassembling your game, and writing it out in words in a smash notebook, won't make you better. you're not a computer program; you're not coded.

smash notes are a great tool to help you learn, because you remind yourself of what to focus on every game. the process of improvement involves honest, deliberate exploration of your shortcomings. make your weaknesses your strengths. smash notes are a fantastic way to note your weaknesses, but you won't get anywhere if you don't turn them into your strengths.

the only way to do that is by coming at them with focus and a positive attitude. this is something you can't trick yourself into having, no matter how many words you write down.



sry 4 long post

 

[Kal]

Those are very valid points. I meant that, in regards to taking notes, it may be better to have someone else (particularly a better player) take notes on your gameplay. Outside of pausing or taking notes during invincibility frames, I don't see a practical way to write down my own mistakes and observations during a match. However, your point stands that self-improvement and "active learning" will cause you to improve faster.

 

[Codi]

**** notebooks, real skill comes from experiences on the spot and adapting quickly

 

[Bing]

Then Taking notes on your rights and wrong is a terrible idea right? /sarcasm

 

[joeplicate]

Lol I just take notes between matches

 

[KirbyKaze]

Writing everything I know about this game down would take way too much effort.

 

[mesa23]

writing stuff down seems like to much effort

 

[DerfMidWest]

I thought about making a notebook a while ago, but I never got around to it.

I think I'll start doing that now.

 

[Supreme Dirt]

I actually have a notebook for Brawl. It has lots of stuff on Dedede and Lucario, and general stuff like "this character can do this so don't let it happen to you" sorts of things.

Seeing as I know far less about Melee than Brawl maybe I should do this for Melee too.

 

[ShroudedOne]

Wow, joeplicate. I pretty much agree with all you said. That helps a lot. Also, I think that keeping a notepad/Word file on your computer is much, much better than writing things out by hand.

 

[Thanos828]

I'd probably use my phone if anything since it would be more convenient

 

[Kal]

Also, I think that keeping a notepad/Word file on your computer is much, much better than writing things out by hand.

This depends on your penmanship, I think. I prefer taking notes on-the-fly by hand.

 

[Codi]

Then Taking notes on your rights and wrong is a terrible idea right? /sarcasm

It's not a terrible idea but, it's a lot better to realize the mistakes you are making while in a match and being able to correct them in that time frame /notsarcasm

 

[bolt.]

My notebook is just me breaking down matches I watch on youtube. All of it is just matches of falco that I watch and when I'm feeling motivated I watch it like 10 times and pick it apart. This works really well for me because I generally know what I already do in a match, and I like to play character vs character. So at the end of me breaking down a video I can see what other people do that I could do more of or less of. I'll give examples if you would like, but its pretty straight forward.

 

[Bing]

It's not a terrible idea but, it's a lot better to realize the mistakes you are making while in a match and being able to correct them in that time frame /notsarcasm

But Its also not possible to just auto-correct a bad habit in the blink of an eye or in 2 minutes. so Atleast by making a note of it, you have someone to go by.

 

[Zodiac]

For me notebooks are just my way of remembering different tactics, when you write something down it improves your memory of it by 30%. So yea, I would like that extra 30% boost of remembering vital information in the middle of a match

 

[Varist]

where the hell did you get that number? 30%? 30% of what? is there already a determined ratio for the capacity of human memory?

 

[Bing]

He ment that you are 30% more likely to remember something IF you write it down...

 

[Varist]

30% more likely based on what number?

someone rational talk to these kids

 

[Bing]

-_- oh my...

People who takes notes on a subject are 30% more likely to remember then people who didnt.

Example; People who didnt take a note retained 50% of the information as to people who did retained 80%...

I dont know how to make this more clear.

Anywho this is going no where...

 

[ShroudedOne]

Varist wants to know where those numbers are coming from, Bing. He doesn't have a problem understanding what you're saying. He simply has a problem with where the numbers seem to be coming from, which is nowhere. So he's asking for...proof. You know. Proof.

 

[Varist]

exactly. and i also have a little bit of a problem understanding what he's saying.

what do you mean 50% of the information and 80% of the information?

so if the information is "dad told me to tell you he wants a divorce" then, if I don't take notes, I'll only remember "dad told me to tell", and people who did take notes will remember "dad told me to tell you he wants"?

and your numbers are wrong. 30% more of 50% is 65%.

or did you mean you took a sample size of 100 people, and made them take notes on a lot of stuff, and then took another 100 people, and just told them a lot of stuff, and then randomly picked one piece of stuff out of that stuff, and in the first sample size 80 people remembered it, and in the second only 50 people?

 

[Bing]

And I am leaving this conversation XD

So on Another note....

 

[Varist]

THE QUESTION WASiADDRESSED TO ZODIAC ANYWAY.

 

[Kal]

I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE YELLING ABOUT!

 

[Bing]

Loud noises.

 

[Beat!]

How could you possibly misunderstand what Varist was asking? O_o

 

[Codi]

But Its also not possible to just auto-correct a bad habit in the blink of an eye or in 2 minutes. so Atleast by making a note of it, you have someone to go by.

well thats what friendlies and practice are for learn your mistakes then when you are in a tournament match put your new knowledge to the test and if it seems to not be working then try to adapt and try seeing the new mistakes you are making. Nothing is impossible you can fix bad habits during a match if you really think about it.

But, so I'm clear notebooks are a great way of learning I'm not disagreeing with that but, i think true skill comea from how you are able to figure out and correct what you are doing during a match rather then later or before.

 

[ShroudedOne]

Um...I think that being able to point out your errors during a match and correct them is really, really good, and represents a really strong ability to adapt. At the same time, I think that notebooks are good for things that you remember from the match, things that you couldn't fix in time, etc. So, notebooks are really good for the after-match reflection.

 

[DerfMidWest]

60% of statistics are made up.