NJ/NY Rankings: New Rankings 9/25/12!!!

[ANTi_]

We need to step it up; West Coast keeps hosting those E4K/E4J tournaments like every 2 weeks and keep pulling in 40+.

smh

 

[Keitaro]

A lot of people who don't drive don't understand how big of an issue parking is. It can certainly make or break a venue for me if I have to pay $20 to park 5 blocks away and/or if I get a parking ticket. Luckily for the Espot I found a parking lot a couple blocks away that is fine. Its still a walk though and I did get a $50 parking ticket before I found that parking lot.

That's why I was kinda bothered when Anti complained about the KTAR venue. Yes there are no food places right outside, but holy crap id MUCH rather have an available parking lot right there than a subway right there. Plus I had food in the venue. Wasn't perfect but its much better than the small venues, no parking, ticket giving, ghetto looking places I've been to time and time again.

That's why I haven't been to a NY tourney in almost 2 years. People who catch rides are the majority so their experiences can be different making them want a ghetto pizzeria outside over parking.

Inui's hotel may have not had much space for smash (I REALLY don't like that either), but its parking lot and Wendy's/quiznos etc being right there probably topped everything for me. Apex venue is godlike cause it has nearly no bad features.

 

[CT Chia]

The apex venue isn't as convenient for people flying/bussing in from long distances away.

The CoT venue is the best I've seen for that, but unfortunately lacks parking options, but it's not as bad as many places, and no where near as bad as NY. Just read the street signs and listen to them and you won't get a ticket. And I've got a specific parking lot for CoT this time which helps.

I just feel like the travel using public trans from a NY airport to Apex is a bit daunting from many. However more people travel by car which makes it more important overall, catering to the greater audience.

There is no perfect venue

We need to step it up; West Coast keeps hosting those E4K/E4J tournaments like every 2 weeks and keep pulling in 40+.

smh

then we need to find a single awesome venue, consistent host, and make all of our tourneys like $5 entry, crazy cheap venue, pools, amateur bracket, etc etc
man i love how tourneys are ran over there
all the normal tourney go'ers here would hate it, but their way brings in so many more lower players because of what's offered

 

[ANTi_]

The apex venue isn't as convenient for people flying/bussing in from long distances away.

The CoT venue is the best I've seen for that, but unfortunately lacks parking options, but it's not as bad as many places, and no where near as bad as NY. Just read the street signs and listen to them and you won't get a ticket. And I've got a specific parking lot for CoT this time which helps.

I just feel like the travel using public trans from a NY airport to Apex is a bit daunting from many. However more people travel by car which makes it more important overall, catering to the greater audience.

There is no perfect venue



then we need to find a single awesome venue, consistent host, and make all of our tourneys like $5 entry, crazy cheap venue, pools, amateur bracket, etc etc
man i love how tourneys are ran over there
all the normal tourney go'ers here would hate it, but their way brings in so many more lower players because of what's offered

Yeah its w/e lol; i just wouldn't split if its $5 entry. And there's no venue in NY/NJ that can do that.

MAAAAYBE Gametable.

 

[_Yes!_]

People were lucky we were allowed to park in the lot behind the apex venue, otherwise you would've all been ****ed rofl

 

[Keitaro]

There certainly is no perfect venue, but alot are doable. Btw at the last COT I just parked behind the venue both days and got no ticket. I was lucky as hell!!!!

Oh yeah, just got reminded why Inui's wasn't the best. Wendy's gets old after a while but if you try to get in a car and go somewhere else you'd have to go down route one, get off an exit, make an illegal uturn (for me lol), get back on route 1 the wrong way, get off an exit, illegal uturn or normal uturn, get back on route 1 the right way, then arrive back at Inui's lol. That can take 10 minutes.

I'm sure I can find something to complain about for every venue I've ever been to. Smashtalities were pretty good back in the Melee days (parking, decent food), oh nvm, the venue was caustraphobic
:/

Blah blah blah, I'm just bickering now. Sorry.

@ Anti: Is Gametable that one with the upstairs and downstairs? Def no for me. I have to park across nearly a highway in front of some person's house while they stare at me as if they are going to call the towing company as soon as I walk away. And thats one of the best parking situations I've had in NY lol!

 

[ANTi_]

@ Anti: Is Gametable that one with the upstairs and downstairs? Def no for me. I have to park across nearly a highway in front of some person's house while they stare at me as if they are going to call the towing company as soon as I walk away. And thats one of the best parking situations I've had in NY lol!

You DO know there is like an empty street behind the venue right?

 

[CT Chia]

Yeah its w/e lol; i just wouldn't split if its $5 entry. And there's no venue in NY/NJ that can do that.

MAAAAYBE Gametable.

Shouldn't be splitting anyway <_<

I could get Fusion to do it. I mean really any venue that can do a $5 venue fee is fine

Also Fusion has more parking spaces available than any other tournament iv seen

 

[ANTi_]

Shouldn't be splitting anyway <_<

I could get Fusion to do it. I mean really any venue that can do a $5 venue fee is fine

Also Fusion has more parking spaces available than any other tournament iv seen

Fusion is 3 hours from me; no thanks id rather go to DNA.

And why not split? it's mine/ADHD's money 9/10's of the time recently lol.

 

[CT Chia]

Just don't go into a tournament thinking about splitting which is what it seems here. Finish the whole tournament since that's what it is. Then after everything is all said and done, you guys are free to do whatever. There's too much that can be questioned if people know you split. For instance, lets say Malcolm is waiting in losers finals who can beat ADHD but not you. You vs ADHD in winners finals, ADHD wins and you knock out Malcolm in Losers and you and ADHD split. How are people sure that you didn't somewhat throw the set to ADHD to beat Malcolm who could have potentially beaten ADHD ruining your split?

Tournaments are so common in Smash I think people forget what they are. They are tournaments. Events to determine player skill with prizes awarded to the winners. The payout split is not 45 45 10, it's 60 30 10 for a reason. I understand being friends with others and sharing the wealth, but for the reasons stated above it can not be known publicly and no player should go into a tournament with that mindset.

Plus if you end up winning, why wouldn't you want to not split? More money man come on. Think of all the money M2K would have if he never split with people lol.

 

[Kaiber Kop]

I agree with you 100%, Keitaro. If a venue has tolls getting there, heavy city driving, or no parking I simply don't go.

 

[KageMurphy]

Pound 5was the best National venue to me.

 

[CT Chia]

evidentally it cost too much so there's your flaw lol

 

[Keitaro]

Lol!!

10chars

 

[ksizl4life]

i'd prefer if people just played it out without splitting but i'm not gonna hate if they do, it's their money. and i completely disagree with rules against splitting that threaten a ban from the next tourney or something. that's so stupid.

 

[_Yes!_]

If you don't like how the top players use the money they won by making it to top 3 or whatever, get up there in top placings and do what you want with the money you're getting for placing in top 3. Don't mess with money that isn't your's like plank did.

Edit: I mean it'd be cool if they kept the split discrete to not kill the hype, but it's their money they earned by beating their bracket.

 

[Kaiber Kop]

i'd prefer if people just played it out without splitting but i'm not gonna hate if they do, it's their money. and i completely disagree with rules against splitting that threaten a ban from the next tourney or something. that's so stupid.

If you don't like how the top players use the money they won by making it to top 3 or whatever, get up there in top placings and do what you want with the money you're getting for placing in top 3. Don't mess with money that isn't your's like plank did.

These^^^^^

 

[Inferno3044]

I think splitting brings down hype. I guess watching ADHD and Anti play in GF's every single time would bring down hype, but if someone out of the ordinary gets there, I would wanna watch that set. I say play it out and split the money under the table.

 

[CT Chia]

It killed it for me when I heard someone in the crowd at a tournament during a finals (I forget which one) that said to his friend I wonder who M2K paid off this time to make it here. Joking or not, look at what came of the incident. Not to mention the negative publicity of the smash community from just about every competitive gaming site after the DC incident.

 

[_Yes!_]

We've had negative publicity forever. Who cares what other game communities think?

 

[VideoKidHEERO]

Chris, you are the master of saying the worst things ever.

Actually, second worst.
No, no, third.

Still though, that's pretty high.

 

[_Yes!_]

Chris, you are the master of saying the worst things ever.

Actually, second worst.
No, no, third.

Still though, that's pretty high.

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

****.

 

[Kaiber Kop]

It killed it for me when I heard someone in the crowd at a tournament during a finals (I forget which one) that said to his friend I wonder who M2K paid off this time to make it here. Joking or not, look at what came of the incident. Not to mention the negative publicity of the smash community from just about every competitive gaming site after the DC incident.

We've had negative publicity forever. Who cares what other game communities think?

Negative publicity or not, you can't TELL people what to do with their money. They earned the spot. If people don't like it then beat them and refuse to split.

Other gaming communities looked down at brawl since it's been out. Who cares? People who enjoy the game will play it regardless of what other people think.

 

[ADHD]

I mean are people jealous?

Splitting doesn't affect you realistically if you didn't make it far enough, and people can only bicker about moral values. Once the pot distribution is set, and players land on the spot, it's their money.

This isn't really directed at anyone, just my take on the matter. I'm a notorious splitter with Anti and people I've split repeatedly with in the past.

Also **** MVC3 or tekken players, whatever.. they're all nigz.

 

[VideoKidHEERO]

Wow... edited your post four times just to call someone a nick.

Wonder if it was worth it.

 

[Dr.Brawl]

Negative publicity or not, you can't TELL people what to do with their money. They earned the spot. If people don't like it then beat them and refuse to split.

Other gaming communities looked down at brawl since it's been out. Who cares? People who enjoy the game will play it regardless of what other people think.

QFT

Anyways it doesn't matter what other communities think. If anything I would be willing to bet more communities of jealous of the smash community. We are a grass roots organization that constantly attracts players, with tournaments happening nearly every weekend. We have been around for nearly 10 years, many other communities can't say they have been doing this.
Haters gonna hate

 

[ADHD]

Max/anyone: Where do I get swag clothes? Need to up my wardrobe before college.

 

[Atomsk_92]

http://www.videobash.com/video_show/giant-stinson-beach-bubbles-2720

Max/anyone: Where do I get swag clothes? Need to up my wardrobe before college.

Clearance rack.

 

[CT Chia]

Negative publicity or not, you can't TELL people what to do with their money. They earned the spot. If people don't like it then beat them and refuse to split.

Other gaming communities looked down at brawl since it's been out. Who cares? People who enjoy the game will play it regardless of what other people think.

It's not really like that. The money isn't distributed to the winners until the event is over. It's like like the organizers are going, ok 1st place here is 60%, ok 2nd place here is 30%. then together they do what they want with their money and split it up. 90% of the time the players are like yea we're splitting before the tourney set even starts. they're trying to decide the outcome of a set and tournament before it's even finished. i dont care if people want to do whatever they want with their money, you obviously can't limit that lol. look at m2k and adhd, they tried splitting not top 2 at a tournament that paid out in checks. it's not their money yet they are splitting! now if they wanted to use money that isn't the tournaments money and be like, adhd gives $200 out of his pocket for m2k to forfeit the match, then that's just straight up match fixing, and if you don't know how that is bad... man I wish I had the money to pay off each of my opponents to make it to the top.

however everyone knows that people play differently for money. as stupid as i think it is, the idea of it is everywhere. MMs count but friendlies don't. Hell, even MMs only above a certain amount count. if people are set on splitting prior to a set and no money is on the line, it's really no different than a friendly. we might as well make grand finals at events not count for PR.

what sounds like a better competition? m2k and adhd in the top 2, decided to split, as they play peach vs ike? or m2k is beyond broke, in fact he is debt $500 with interest to Kingtoon and he doesn't even have the money for the flight home. his life depends on winning the tournament, everything on the line, sweat dripping down his face as he fights for his life. 2nd just wont cut it, he needs to win.

that sounds pretty freicken intense.

 

[AllyKnight]

http://www.videobash.com/video_show/giant-stinson-beach-bubbles-2720



Clearance rack.

HOLY **** at those bubbles

 

[Dr.Brawl]

what sounds like a better competition? m2k and adhd in the top 2, decided to split, as they play peach vs ike? or m2k is beyond broke, in fact he is debt $500 with interest to Kingtoon and he doesn't even have the money for the flight home. his life depends on winning the tournament, everything on the line, sweat dripping down his face as he fights for his life. 2nd just wont cut it, he needs to win.

that sounds pretty freicken intense.

This sounds like it could be the plot to some movie.

 

[ANTi_]

what sounds like a better competition? m2k and adhd in the top 2, decided to split, as they play peach vs ike? or m2k is beyond broke, in fact he is debt $500 with interest to Kingtoon and he doesn't even have the money for the flight home. his life depends on winning the tournament, everything on the line, sweat dripping down his face as he fights for his life. 2nd just wont cut it, he needs to win.

that sounds pretty freicken intense.

Who the **** would go to a tournament under those circumstances LOL.

 

[_Yes!_]

MLG is a multi-million dollar corporation, the BBR-RC is not. The BBR-RC is made of smashers/to's. Don't feel special because you control who gets a sticky lol; If top 3 get paid 60/30/10, then top 3 can choose to do what they want with 100% of the pot.

 

[ShippoFoxFire]

Can more people who don't live in an awful location start hosting? The threads are dead and I'd actually like to play this game again more than 3 times before the damn year ends.

Gunblade- If you've changed your mind about the six flags thing please let me know. I was gonna start asking Diem and Kelvin about our plans for the trip shortly after Saturday

Paramus!

What week in July/August is fine/free-ed up?

 

[Gunblade789]

Who the **** would go to a tournament under those circumstances LOL.

LOL I THOUGHT THE SAME THING!!! LOL!!! My man Chibo was like M2K has to win or he will get crabs or something. LOL!!!

 

[Suspect]

Ill be updating results from the first part of the Texas circuit today in Austin, Ally is here.

http://twitter.com/#!/pPpSuspect

 

[Kaiber Kop]

It's not really like that. The money isn't distributed to the winners until the event is over. It's like like the organizers are going, ok 1st place here is 60%, ok 2nd place here is 30%. then together they do what they want with their money and split it up. 90% of the time the players are like yea we're splitting before the tourney set even starts. they're trying to decide the outcome of a set and tournament before it's even finished. i dont care if people want to do whatever they want with their money, you obviously can't limit that lol. look at m2k and adhd, they tried splitting not top 2 at a tournament that paid out in checks. it's not their money yet they are splitting! now if they wanted to use money that isn't the tournaments money and be like, adhd gives $200 out of his pocket for m2k to forfeit the match, then that's just straight up match fixing, and if you don't know how that is bad... man I wish I had the money to pay off each of my opponents to make it to the top.

however everyone knows that people play differently for money. as stupid as i think it is, the idea of it is everywhere. MMs count but friendlies don't. Hell, even MMs only above a certain amount count. if people are set on splitting prior to a set and no money is on the line, it's really no different than a friendly. we might as well make grand finals at events not count for PR.

what sounds like a better competition? m2k and adhd in the top 2, decided to split, as they play peach vs ike? or m2k is beyond broke, in fact he is debt $500 with interest to Kingtoon and he doesn't even have the money for the flight home. his life depends on winning the tournament, everything on the line, sweat dripping down his face as he fights for his life. 2nd just wont cut it, he needs to win.

that sounds pretty freicken intense.

You're missing my point. You don't need to go into detail about what's better to watch for grand finals, however let me remind you that at most events people don't give a damn about watching the same 3 people play each other over and over again anyway. The fact of the matter is the moment players place in the money they are guaranteed the cash when the event is over. You can't tell them what to do with their money. That's all there is to it.

 

[Keitaro]

MLG is a multi-million dollar corporation, the BBR-RC is not. The BBR-RC is made of smashers/to's. Don't feel special because you control who gets a sticky lol; If top 3 get paid 60/30/10, then top 3 can choose to do what they want with 100% of the pot.

Although the part about feeling special was uneeded as he doesn't specifically control what's stickied, I pretty much agree.

I don't like seeing players split, but yeah we can't really what they do with their money. But that doesn't mean the TO can't ban them from future tournies. Same concept imo as the TO decides what is allowed to happen at his tourney.

I think banning a player at a future event will just cause extreme backlash at the TO though. MLG can get away with it, but not a regional/national host imo.

 

[CT Chia]

You're missing my point. You don't need to go into detail about what's better to watch for grand finals, however let me remind you that at most events people don't give a damn about watching the same 3 people play each other over and over again anyway. The fact of the matter is the moment players place in the money they are guaranteed the cash when the event is over. You can't tell them what to do with their money. That's all there is to it.

Here is the #1 problem our area is dying (if it is)

We're a closed in community. We rarely see new people come into events. And if we're constantly giving just the same 3 people money over and over, why are we even doing tournaments? lmao. What's in it for the rest of us. We need like a revolution here like what SoCal is doing because it happened to them. Same players kept winning, no sense for new players to drop down $25 for... nothing.

Besides the fact that there are still people excited to see top players play at any time (especially newer players), I still get comments on my YouTube matches of M2K, Anti, Ally, ADHD, etc more than any other. They are the ones that are searched the most. AZ started appealing to the lower players first a while back in Midwest by always doing top 5/8 payouts and pools, and SoCal is going the whole extra mile with this.

Every event in the E4 series so far (except for maybe E4K Champ I think since it was a full blown regional), has like a $3 venue fee or something nuts, $5 singles, $5 per person doubles, pools, and amateur bracket. And look at how many people they bring in, it's insane. Perhaps atl north (or really just njny) needs to start doing that. I would be much more willing to go to events more often, as are newcomers etc, if I only had to shell out like $15 and I get like double the amount of tourney sets as normal, and if I continued to have the ability to watch great sets live without seeing players BS'ing with w/e characters and afterwards having them say idc. If you guys want to do that, hold a smashfest - one that doesn't have a $25 entry fee.

Who the **** would go to a tournament under those circumstances LOL.

m2k lmao

 

[_Yes!_]

Venue fee belongs to the TO.

Entry fee belongs to the players who placed.

Players don't touch venue fee.

TO's don't touch entry fee.

Simple as that.

EDIT: AZ shouldn't punish the top placers for doing better than everyone else.