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Delta-cod

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His recovery isn't any worse than that of most other low tiers. Grab releases don't really hurt him much in low tiers. What low tier can kill him from a grab release before stupidly high damage, or even at all? I actually can't think of any.
Yoshi: GR > Uair/Usmash/Fair offstage.

I like reading what you say about low tiers, because almost everything you've said about them doesn't apply to Yoshi. :bee:
 

pwiito

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Kaiber Kop

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Let's ban :ness2: in low tiers because Shaky ***** teaming with a :zerosuitsamus:, who heals him. HEALING'S SO CHEAP! It shouldn't be in low tier doubles, guys.

but hey, I mean, :popo: healing :lucas: a jillion damage, thats completely fine.

Also, let's legalize :sonic:... BUT ONLY IN DOUBLES! So I can use :ike: (a mid tier) and team with Kai, without the fear of losing to him in singles.
I actually agree with this
ike has won money in normal singles

I love you Kai, but you're guilty by association in this :( Lucas I hope you have to fight a Lucas/Ics team. That won't happen though right? You control the bracket!
I don't agree with IC's in low tiers at all.
True, but only if he used his second jump, and his second jump is ridiculous, and he can throw out f-air or airdodge through all of it to make it very safe, especially against bad characters.

Do this many people really want him legal in low tier singles? I can see arguments for it and I get it, but his b-throw just........ I've never lost to Ness in low tier singles, not even a single game, including against you when you ***** pretty much everyone else, so it's not a personal bias.

Hmm...
If you legalize ness you should legalize bowser and PT, as well as Sonic in singles.

wtf you don't allow PT?
does fatigue and ivysaur as a dead weight not mean low tier to you? wtf

line of logic:
ike is clearly not low tier, but lets include him
anyone that beats ike is clearly not low tier

im surprised you allow samus
Actually, I can't remember if it was NL or Atomsk but I had significantly more trouble vs Ivy than Charizard. Not too far off from squirtle

So PT is better than Ike???????
Yeah.

no Nairo and no zucco? yo if mah *****hs doom and vinnie wasn't going I'd be outta here in a blink.
Ok, don't go.
<3 Oscar :D
Is Friday still good with you? I'll be driving myself down on Saturday. The freedom to leave whenever I want is a must with work the next day
Yes! The legion of sun-deprived pasty people!
I'm not pale. You're just dumb, or haven't seen me
 

Inui

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Sonic just won thousands of dollars in singles at a super stacked national. How can such a character possibly be legal in low tiers, Kai? It's been proven, at least in singles, that Sonic vastly outclasses the rest of the low tiers.
 

ShippoFoxFire

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Sonic just won thousands of dollars in singles at a super stacked national. How can such a character possibly be legal in low tiers, Kai? It's been proven, at least in singles, that Sonic vastly outclasses the rest of the low tiers.
Gonna be honest, I really thought you wanted to keep sonic in low tier singles this entire time.

Sonic is too good for low tier, and too bad for normal tier. Shiek's in the same boat and will forever be neglected.
 

Kaiber Kop

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Sonic just won thousands of dollars in singles at a super stacked national. How can such a character possibly be legal in low tiers, Kai? It's been proven, at least in singles, that Sonic vastly outclasses the rest of the low tiers.
You said yourself that he won due to matchup inexperience. Why put him in doubles then? Same with IC's. You do realize that 2v2s become 2v1's and possible 1v1s? IC's will **** in these circumstances
 

Inui

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You said yourself that he won due to matchup inexperience. Why put him in doubles then? Same with IC's. You do realize that 2v2s become 2v1's and possible 1v1s? IC's will **** in these circumstances
The fact that both of those players plowed through so many top players of top tiers to get that far is just... It can't be ignored.

Doubles is using a doubles tier list created by many good players. It's separate. IC's will not **** automatically in those situations. Ike can fight them. Lucas goes even with them. Some low tiers have long disjointed moves or projectiles to deal with them. It doesn't seem like a huge deal.
 

CT Chia

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The T.O. group and Pokemon group both removed, can you give an explanation to why you developers are being douches with removing things that make this forum cool? And I notice you have a big *** Master Ball on your profile.
Not our choice, the reason both were removed was because they were useless
TO - posting rights to the calendar
Poke - posting rights to the strategy dex

strat dex no longer exists and the new calendar is public, neither group has a reason anymore

as for the masterball icon go check out the stickied topic in the poke center

Sonic just won thousands of dollars in singles at a super stacked national. How can such a character possibly be legal in low tiers, Kai? It's been proven, at least in singles, that Sonic vastly outclasses the rest of the low tiers.
And the player that won over 12k lost to an Ike at his last national. How could Ike possibly be legal in low tiers?
 

Seagull Joe

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The fact that both of those players plowed through so many top players of top tiers to get that far is just... It can't be ignored.

Doubles is using a doubles tier list created by many random theorycrafters so I can win doubles with a Sonic (Kai) allowed in them. It's separate. IC's will not **** automatically in those situations unless they're teamed with Lucas. Ike can fight them. Lucas goes even with them. Some low tiers have long disjointed moves or projectiles to deal with them. It doesn't seem like a huge deal.
Fixed for accuracy.

And @Yes!, Cheese lost to Pink Fresh's Lucas in the past with Ice climbers.
 

_Yes!_

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And the player that won over 12k lost to an Ike at his last national. How could Ike possibly be legal in low tiers?
MOTHER****ER HE WAS USING IKE!

Gnes/Razor/texas is obviously trash for losing to a low tier like ike.

Kai, I'm not accusing you of anything. ily too much for that. I just hate the thought of rooting against you b/c you're with the brick wall in teams :(
 

Zucco

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Anyone remember when Kai was Orange? That was amazing. far from pale lol.
 

ch33s3

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paraphrasing but cheese can confirm this.
Pretty much. Lucas, Yoshi, and to a lesser extent PT can kinda sorta almost fight ICs, but other than that? LOL

Unfortunately I won't be there to thank everyone not running ICs + Something for their money.

And @Yes!, Cheese lost to Pink Fresh's Lucas in the past with Ice climbers.
I was also GOD AWFUL at this game back then (not to mention the fact that I actually thought I was good, lol). And I can actually CG now. :awesome:

No offense to PF, though, his Lucas da bess.
 

ADHD

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Sonic just won thousands of dollars in singles at a super stacked national. How can such a character possibly be legal in low tiers, Kai? It's been proven, at least in singles, that Sonic vastly outclasses the rest of the low tiers.
I'm sorry but stop being biased. That character is about as good as san's ike by that logic.
 

Inui

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Fixed for accuracy.
People like you make it hard for me to be nice. What a challenge!

We tried that argument, he just ignores anything that soundly opposes him.
Wrong. I ignore sarcastic, insulting comments like yours. I guess you missed, just in this thread last night, where I listened to Zucco? How about all of those times I've listened to Atomsk?

So where is everyone going to eat after Inui's tournament, if at all? Low tiers is gonna push that event to an absurd hour.
I'd suggest either Kelly's or Clancy's, but because they are both taverns I like. :bee:
 

Inui

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When do you think normal doubles will start?
3pm, I guess. It all depends on set-ups and how good my hosting my team is. I think we can make it go quickly if everyone, including the players, work together to make it happen.

I will be enforcing DQ's. I'll probably be even more strict than MLG. 5 minutes is too much.
 
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