NJ/NY Rankings: New Rankings 9/25/12!!!

[pwiito]

 

[Inui]

easy kills meaning his backthrow? you mean with his t-rex arms? Its not that hard to avoid the grab.

Ike is better than Ness in singles, just thought I would add this to make you mad.

Yes. T-rex arms don't matter much, and his dash grab is actually somewhat big. He has a 6 frame unblockable to get free kills at fairly low damage, while every other low tier has to rely on the opponent being bad or messing up. Low tiers struggle in avoiding the grab because they're bad; they don't have good spacing tools and suffer from high amounts of recovery time when compared to good characters.

No.

 

[Zucco]

I forgot that at high percents, people just let you grab them. I guess against Ness they just give up? Like what are you trying to say by its free? shouldnt the grab be the thing you look out for the most?

 

[Inui]

Correct, but low tiers are trash at avoiding it, and Ness is quick enough to run/jump around until they leave an opening. I didn't say it was free. I said it was "easy" when compared to how much other low tiers struggle when it comes to killing.

 

[Zucco]

Correct, but low tiers are trash at avoiding it, and Ness is quick enough to run/jump around until they leave an opening. I didn't say it was free. I said it was "easy" when compared to how much other low tiers struggle when it comes to killing.

Yes. T-rex arms don't matter much, and his dash grab is actually somewhat big. He has a 6 frame unblockable to get free kills at fairly low damage, while every other low tier has to rely on the opponent being bad or messing up. Low tiers struggle in avoiding the grab because they're bad; they don't have good spacing tools and suffer from high amounts of recovery time when compared to good characters.

No.

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[Inui]

lol, sorry

I should have clarified and said it's free after he gets the grab

other low tiers have to get a read after a grab, he doesn't

he sees an error, and grabs, and kills

 

[pwiito]

Happy free, Allied combo ;D. lol mah *****h doom

 

[Vinnie]

Let's ban in low tiers because Shaky ***** teaming with a , who heals him. HEALING'S SO CHEAP! It shouldn't be in low tier doubles, guys.

but hey, I mean, healing a jillion damage, thats completely fine.

Also, let's legalize ... BUT ONLY IN DOUBLES! So I can use (a mid tier) and team with Kai, without the fear of losing to him in singles.

 

[Zucco]

So Ness can kill with a grab. Not a bad deal since he has to deal with his **** recovery and the fact that he can be grab released into something by everyone.

edit: this entire game is pretty much getting kills with reads. Ness can grab people while others can smash or tilt or(insert something here)

 

[CT Chia]

freicken vinnie creeping on my photobucket

 

[Vinnie]

freicken vinnie creeping on my photobucket

I was looking for ledge pictures <3.

 

[_Yes!_]

Ness is nationally viable in doubles, as in, high tier in such an environment. I actually believe he's around the same as Marth in doubles, if not better.

If he is ever to be legal in low tiers, it would be singles, but I'm still not feeling it since he has an "easy" way to get kills while other low tiers struggle and have to rely on the opponent making a mistake or being bad.

Ice Climbers do not exist in doubles. Nobody uses them in doubles, even the best IC players, because they can't function at all. I doubt that changes in a low tier environment, but we'll see, right?

ike has won money in normal singles

I love you Kai, but you're guilty by association in this Lucas I hope you have to fight a Lucas/Ics team. That won't happen though right? You control the bracket!

 

[Inui]

So Ness can kill with a grab. Not a bad deal since he has to deal with his **** recovery and the fact that he can be grab released into something by everyone.

His recovery isn't any worse than that of most other low tiers. Grab releases don't really hurt him much in low tiers. What low tier can kill him from a grab release before stupidly high damage, or even at all? I actually can't think of any.

 

[Zucco]

you can gimp ness without using an attack.

 

[Inui]

you can gimp ness without using an attack.

True, but only if he used his second jump, and his second jump is ridiculous, and he can throw out f-air or airdodge through all of it to make it very safe, especially against bad characters.

Do this many people really want him legal in low tier singles? I can see arguments for it and I get it, but his b-throw just........ I've never lost to Ness in low tier singles, not even a single game, including against you when you ***** pretty much everyone else, so it's not a personal bias.

Hmm...

 

[Max Ketchum]

Second best PT.

My ***** Pwii knows.

 

[Vex Kasrani]

His recovery isn't any worse than that of most other low tiers. Grab releases don't really hurt him much in low tiers. What low tier can kill him from a grab release before stupidly high damage, or even at all? I actually can't think of any.

Bowser, yah.

Squirtle too.

 

[Zucco]

if you knock him out of his second jump, you should be able to finish him off.

Im bad lol. not much I can say.

 

[Inferno3044]

Second best PT.

My ***** Pwii knows.

I'm not even sure if that's an accomplishment.

 

[Inui]

Bowser, yah.

Squirtle too.

I figured Bowser has grab release to d-tilt or whatever, but he has that on a lot of characters, right?

Squirtle is not legal in low tier singles at my event.

if you knock him out of his second jump, you should be able to finish him off.

It's risky, especially for low tiers, since they have poop recoveries too and Ness's PKT2 is going to kill anything at very low damage. Hitting him out of that second jump is actually sort of hard, due to what I mentioned.

Im bad lol. not much I can say.

Definitely false...

 

[CT Chia]

wtf you don't allow PT?
does fatigue and ivysaur as a dead weight not mean low tier to you? wtf

line of logic:
ike is clearly not low tier, but lets include him
anyone that beats ike is clearly not low tier

im surprised you allow samus

 

[Zucco]

Second jump is great, cant argue about that. Still, **** happens lol.

Eh I havent used Ness in forever. I would be worse than before most likely.

 

[Inui]

Squirtle existing on the screen for 1 minute is better than any low tier by far. PT is allowed in low tier doubles, since PT is trash in doubles (even Reflex doesn't use him in doubles, so that says something). PT isn't one I can budge on.

I believe I said from the start that the only one I viewed as borderline for low tier singles was Ness.

 

[Keitaro]

Squirtle is not legal in low tier singles at my event.

Wait, what?? So if I'm playing Charizard, and you kill me, I gotta switch?

Nvm, no PT either :/ But Ike is allowed??

 

[Inui]

But Ike is allowed??

Ike.

Is.

Trash.

People really should stop trying to convince me otherwise.

You're all worse than me with the character. You're all worse than me against the character as well. Really, just stop talking about Ike. Shield, man. You'll win. He can't kill you if you're shielding, and nothing he has is safe on block. When you're dumb and airdodge or roll at him or sidestep stupidly, he can get a cheap kill.

 

[Keitaro]

So PT is better than Ike???????

 

[CT Chia]

lmao there is no way that is true

 

[pwiito]

Freezard and freevasur ruin this dance

 

[Inui]

So PT is better than Ike???????

I view PT as significantly better, not just better. My opinion of Ike is very low. I think he's somewhere around 5th worst in the game. Sorry? I'm just not going to budge on Ike, and I really don't know why you're all wasting time trying to convince me otherwise, and I guess I'm just as crazy for responding and keeping the cycle going.

 

[Zucco]

Unfortunately, you are the only one who is running a low tier event, and since some people really want to do it, they have to put up with your garbage rules. If Low tiers happened every week, we would all probably be laughing at your rules right now.

 

[Inui]

My Ike sucks right now anyways. I only have two characters I actually have skill with right now, and it's not him. My Ike feels super rusty and I haven't had a chance to use him much. I either troll with Ganondorf or play seriously with Meta Knight now.

I was hoping to get my Ike good on Friday, but... Meh.

Edit: Xyro doesn't have Ike legal in low tiers at WHOBO 3 and is using the singles list for doubles as well. I'm not whining about it. I just said I disagree.

It's a side event, and I'm trying something new with the doubles half. Relax.

 

[Zucco]

Im just saying whats on my mind. I wouldnt enter low tiers regardless of the rules because I find low tiers to be a boring game to throw money down on.

This coming from the guy who enters brawl-, but at least that game is fun to watch and pretty crazy.

 

[Inui]

You wouldn't even enter if Ness was legal? It's only $5. Oh well, your loss!

 

[Zucco]

probably not. how is it my loss though? NESS ISNT ALLOWED ANYWAY!

 

[Inui]

probably not. how is it my loss though? NESS ISNT ALLOWED ANYWAY!

Because it's fun, at least to me, and I think you'd do well. =P

Ness can be allowed. Go check the tournament thread.

 

[Vinnie]

>>Inui's face when he gets double eliminated by two - teams with his team of 2 mid tiers:

 

[KageMurphy]

Vinnie, PM me the pic you had from Chibo's PB.

 

[Zucco]

Because it's fun, at least to me, and I think you'd do well. =P

Ness can be allowed. Go check the tournament thread.

Ill show my support so that others can enter. I might not even make it to the tourney though.

 

[pwiito]

no Nairo and no zucco? yo if mah *****hs doom and vinnie wasn't going I'd be outta here in a blink.

 

[Max Ketchum]

<3 Oscar :D