NintenZone Social Thread: Shovel Knight Amiibo Hype Catastrophe (feat. Swamp)

[Yoshi-Thomas]

Lol same for pichu and young link.

And Ivysaur and Squirtle. And Ice Climbers for this gen.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Roy isn't like Ganondorf or Falco, he exists solely because of Melee nostalgia.

Seems bizarre that they'd bring him back for any reason other than because he was a popular Melee clone that would be easy.

People liked him because he had teh ph1r3 and, by the looks of it, he still has it

 

[Nekoo]

I know that a lot don't want to ...

can i have apologies to anybody who say Roy will not be Decloned ? I mean ... it's been 7 years that i fight against these people ... Since the Mewtwo annoncement here in SMashboard , but everyday everybody was harsh " why not wolf , wolf have to come back ' "muh FE REP " " MUH 3RD MARTH CLONE" ...

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

DLC Betting:

2 more packs, 6 more characters.

-Wolf
-Snake
-Pichu
-Young Link
-Newcomer
-Newcomer

BAM.

 

[Deleted member]

He's much faster and some of his moves were changed completely.

Really?

This is awesome. I can't wait to play him (and my boy Lucas) tomorrow.

 

[Shroob]

Honestly, if there was only going to be one more veteran as DLC, and all things considered, I think Wolf would be the safest bet. I don't see Y.Link, Pichu or Squirtle and Ivysaur returning, and there's other reasons involved for Snake and ICs. Wolf is the safest bet right now.

 

[CyberHyperPhoenix]

Ryu's Focus Attack gives out actual crumple states.

Sakurai da bess yo.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

DLC Betting:

2 more packs, 6 more characters.

-Wolf
-Snake
-Pichu
-Newcomer
-Newcomer
-Ballot Winner

BAM.

Fixed

 

[Khoru]

I have some guesses regarding individual characters DLC-wise. I'll start with Snake:

-Snake

Snake is among the most popular Brawl characters, but there're a lot of more technical issues involved with including him into the game. For one, we know that Sakurai has an often arbitrary mindset on things. Snake was added as a guest character upon Kojima's request and was originally the only third party in Brawl. We learned that Sonic was added due to his popularity, and he's stayed because Sega and Nintendo have a close relationship.

Because Snake was more of a personal favor, I don't see why he'd come back as DLC. He was a character that probably would've been on the starting roster. As much of a troll as Kojima can be, I think he genuinely was telling the truth when he said Sakurai hadn't approached him again. Sakurai probably thought of Snake as a one-time deal and decided to spend that development time on other characters.

Snake was even more special in terms of the content he brought. As cool as he was and as much as I want him back, he doesn't fit the series. Most of the characters in the Smash series are from series that are one of the following;

-Most characters are from bright, colorful, and kid-friendly series in terms of aesthetic and content. Kirby, Mario, Pokemon, Donkey Kong, Mega Man, Pac-Man, Pikmin, and Animal Crossing all file under this.
-Some characters are from series that appeal more to tweens and teens in terms of look and content. There tends to be anime influence here since anime is especially popular with a teenage demographic. So, you get series like Fire Emblem, Kid Icarus, F-Zero, Street Fighter, and Xenoblade that represent the more "anime" side to this. You also get RPGs or massive scale game series like Earthbound or Zelda. Sonic, Star Fox, Punch Out!, Warioware and Metroid also fit somewhere into this category.
-Finally, you have characters that are just sort of bizarre/there. Duck Hunt, WFT, R.O.B, and Game & Watch all just sort of exist without concern over what demographics they represent.

Metal Gear is a bizarre contradiction to target demographics this series goes for. It's certainly not realistic (Nanomachines, son!) but it has explicit violence and language and has an often muted or dark color scheme emphasizing a more gritty tone. It's a late-teen to adult game series that's very story-heavy and involves a lot of investment into the characters. Well, except Metal Gear Rising. That was a meme-fest. But that still played out like a violent 80s action movie.

I love the franchise, but I think Sakurai realizes that it doesn't fit into Smash's tone. It would be very hard to imagine Snake in this game at all, purely based on the art style. He fit into Brawl's style seamlessly whereas other characters actually had far more awkward looking transitions.

I think it would be possible, but I think Snake would look out-of-place in this game. He'd either be noticeably dark and drab looking in comparison to the rest of the cast, or he'd look too colorful himself for his character.

What about post-ballot DLC? Well, that's another problem entirely. There's probably a lot of tension between Kojima and Konami right now, and Konami appears to have lost its mind. I wouldn't bet on whoever owns Metal Gear's rights to give permission at the moment. I mean, it COULD happen. If Konami has full ownership, they might start giving permission to whoever asks purely for monetary gain.

Conclusion: Snake is probably gone forever.

 

[ScottyWK]

So Ryu has 2 final smashes....wow. This is insane.

 

[Con0rrrr]

Welp. Since Roy can get a rework...

Spoiler

TIME FOR AN AVATAR CHANGE EVERYONE. SUPPORTER FOREVER

 

[Deleted member]

Ryu's Focus Attack gives out actual crumple states.

Sakurai da bess yo.

focus>hadouken has a chance at jab lock i think

 

[AreJay25]

EX MOVES WHAT?

 

[CyberHyperPhoenix]

EX FIREBALL?!

 

[ScottyWK]

WHOA. 2 different Hadokens??

I originally thought it would be weird doing a Hadokun without going down-over-B like in the original game, but it looks like that might actually be a thing too maybe? Whoa.

 

[Chrono.]

I wonder if Ryu has an EX moves mechanic.

Though thinking about it now it wouldn't work very well since A+B is already mapped to Smashes

EDIT: NEVERMIND

 

[TheAnvil]

DLC Betting:

2 more packs, 6 more characters.

-Wolf
-Snake Squirtle
-Pichu Ivysaur
-Young Link Ice Climbers (or failing that, Pichu)
-Newcomer Dixie Kong
-Newcomer K. Rool

BAM.

I don't ever want to hear that 8 or 9 Pokemon would be too many when Mario has exactly that, and we have 5 FE characters.

 

[Icedragonadam]

So Ryu has two final Smashes. So I'm guessing his final smash involves pressing the correct button combinations like in your traditional fighting game when his final smash is activated?

 

[Yoshi-Thomas]

Welp. Since Roy can get a rework...

Spoiler

TIME FOR AN AVATAR CHANGE EVERYONE. SUPPORTER FOREVER

I see that you support young link.

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

Ryu's gonna be a complex character...

 

[AreJay25]

So apparently the EX moves are performed by doing ACTUAL SF INPUTS.

WHAT IS THIS.

 

[ScottyWK]

So Ryu has two final Smashes. So I'm guessing his final smash involves pressing the correct button combinations like in your traditional fighting game when his final smash is activated?

We'll find out from Sakurai tomorrow for sure. If that's the case, you have to give Sakurai major props to staying true to form.

 

[Burb]

Glad to see Roy got Luigified.

It makes his return a lot more welcome for me.

 

[Shroob]

Only character I want now.

 

[ScottyWK]

Such a small touch, but I love the original SF sounds that come with Ryu's hits.

 

[Icedragonadam]

So with Roy down. All I'm missing is Wolf, King K. Rool, Lloyd Irving, and a Rhythm Heaven character.

 

[Das Koopa]

stuff

Was that a forum post, or Sakurai's own words? (curious)

 

[OurBraveHero]

As someone who has played Street Fighter 2 since it first came out on Sega Genesis, I'm absolutely ecstatic with how Sakurai is treating Ryu. This is amazing.

 

[CyberHyperPhoenix]

WTF DID CEDIAR SAY WHAT I THOUGHT HE SAID?

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

OMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMG

To more Ryu gameplay I see, the more hype I am!

Sakurai, you are now a God.

 

[Khoru]

Was that a forum post, or Sakurai's own words? (curious)

forum post

 

[Donalp15]

Since Twitch hates me, can anyone sum up whats going on with Ryu?

 

[Shroob]

Since Twitch hates me, can anyone sum up whats going on with Ryu?

Doing the actual move inputs from SF makes EX specials.

 

[Starlight_Lily]

I have some guesses regarding individual characters DLC-wise. I'll start with Snake:

-Snake

Snake is among the most popular Brawl characters, but there're a lot of more technical issues involved with including him into the game. For one, we know that Sakurai has an often arbitrary mindset on things. Snake was added as a guest character upon Kojima's request and was originally the only third party in Brawl. We learned that Sonic was added due to his popularity, and he's stayed because Sega and Nintendo have a close relationship.

Because Snake was more of a personal favor, I don't see why he'd come back as DLC. He was a character that probably would've been on the starting roster. As much of a troll as Kojima can be, I think he genuinely was telling the truth when he said Sakurai hadn't approached him again. Sakurai probably thought of Snake as a one-time deal and decided to spend that development time on other characters.

Snake was even more special in terms of the content he brought. As cool as he was and as much as I want him back, he doesn't fit the series. Most of the characters in the Smash series are from series that are one of the following;

-Most characters are from bright, colorful, and kid-friendly series in terms of aesthetic and content. Kirby, Mario, Pokemon, Donkey Kong, Mega Man, Pac-Man, Pikmin, and Animal Crossing all file under this.
-Some characters are from series that appeal more to tweens and teens in terms of look and content. There tends to be anime influence here since anime is especially popular with a teenage demographic. So, you get series like Fire Emblem, Kid Icarus, F-Zero, Street Fighter, and Xenoblade that represent the more "anime" side to this. You also get RPGs or massive scale game series like Earthbound or Zelda. Sonic, Star Fox, Punch Out!, Warioware and Metroid also fit somewhere into this category.
-Finally, you have characters that are just sort of bizarre/there. Duck Hunt, WFT, R.O.B, and Game & Watch all just sort of exist without concern over what demographics they represent.

Metal Gear is a bizarre contradiction to target demographics this series goes for. It's certainly not realistic (Nanomachines, son!) but it has explicit violence and language and has an often muted or dark color scheme emphasizing a more gritty tone. It's a late-teen to adult game series that's very story-heavy and involves a lot of investment into the characters. Well, except Metal Gear Rising. That was a meme-fest. But that still played out like a violent 80s action movie.

I love the franchise, but I think Sakurai realizes that it doesn't fit into Smash's tone. It would be very hard to imagine Snake in this game at all, purely based on the art style. He fit into Brawl's style seamlessly whereas other characters actually had far more awkward looking transitions.

I think it would be possible, but I think Snake would look out-of-place in this game. He'd either be noticeably dark and drab looking in comparison to the rest of the cast, or he'd look too colorful himself for his character.

What about post-ballot DLC? Well, that's another problem entirely. There's probably a lot of tension between Kojima and Konami right now, and Konami appears to have lost its mind. I wouldn't bet on whoever owns Metal Gear's rights to give permission at the moment. I mean, it COULD happen. If Konami has full ownership, they might start giving permission to whoever asks purely for monetary gain.

Conclusion: Snake is probably gone forever.

All I'm going to say is this:

If Snake doesn't fit in Smash Bros then neither does Samus.

Welp. Since Roy can get a rework...

Spoiler

TIME FOR AN AVATAR CHANGE EVERYONE. SUPPORTER FOREVER

YAY Let's rework Young Link and Pichu!

Really to change Young Link just literally make him wield the Great Fairy Sword from Majora's Mask, no longer a clone.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Doing the actual move inputs from SF makes EX specials.

WHAT?!

Thank you, Sakurai senpai

 

[vaanrose]

Quarter Circle Forward Special and Half Circle Forward Special each do a different type of Hadouken, so coupled with the standard neutral button press, that's three Hadoukens.

 

[Arthreeteseven]

Wow, Roy has been Lugified! My dreams of a viable may come true after all!

 

[Chrono.]

Can someone link the stream, por favor?

 

[Spazzy_D]

WHOA. 2 different Hadokens??

I originally thought it would be weird doing a Hadokun without going down-over-B like in the original game, but it looks like that might actually be a thing too maybe? Whoa.

It is. You do extra damage if you do the haduken input, same with his other specials. It's in the move tips, @PushDustIn has ripped the text and has it all translated. @DMurr and myself helped put the article together, we're trying to publish it now.

 

[ScottyWK]

Quarter Circle Forward Special and Half Circle Forward Special each do a different type of Hadouken, so coupled with the standard neutral button press, that's three Hadoukens.

This is fantastic.

Can someone link the stream, por favor?

http://www.twitch.tv/crediar