NintenZone Social Thread: Shovel Knight Amiibo Hype Catastrophe (feat. Swamp)

[Retroend]

I think we will get a direct sometime August too. They will announce a character, which will be released in sometime in September. This is the first time we don't have content to look forward to. Even before Wii U shipped they announced Mewtwo.

you have faith that a character will be shown off? i wouldn't get my hopes up thats all.

 

[MasterofMonster]

Never trust Atoms.

The make up everything!

 

[Captain Shwampy]

If the rumors that NX power isn't much different WiiU's, Than I think NX Smash will be much easier to make for Sakurai since he doesn't need to remake all the characters from ground up again

 

[DMurr]

In response to what @ Swamp Sensei and @ PushDustIn are saying is this:

Who is primarily voting on the ballot?
There's a couple ways to look at it. There's Smash fans, such as myself, who vote for a couple characters every few days, and also you have character diehards who vote for their character every day. I know the ballot is open to everyone, and it went viral. There's a massive amount of people that could've voted on it that way overshadows the number of repeat Smash fan votes, if the repeat votes even count, that is.

My question is: Who are people who don't own the game voting for? If they even vote at all. Why do they care who gets in if they don't have the game? These are most of the people who saw the poll online.

Internet trolls are going to vote for characters that are generally considered unviable, even by Sakurai: SpongeBob, Shrek, Goku, etc.. Even ones that are possible, such as Daisy, I personally don't feel will make it through the Sakurai filter for the decision process. It is a "suggestion box" after all, as we all call it, not a pure vote and the top character makes it.

I fully understand what Dustin is saying: based on the poll, we're obviously going to not be an accurate representation of the whole. As a general statement, the bodybuilder/healthy Americans analogy holds up. I agree with that, but Nintendo clearly knows their audience. You can't say both A) that K. Rool's costume is a direct response to the ballot, and B) that the number of casual voters overshadows the hardcore voters. K. Rool wouldn't have gotten his Mii costume at all if it wasn't clear he was popular.

There's lots of people who own Smash Bros. who aren't a part of the Internet community who are going to get excited over Ryu more than a character like Wolf, but then what's the point of the ballot? What does Sakurai mean when he says it will only be "fan service" from here on out? He can't pick another character like Ryu who no one is asking for for Smash but loves because he's a great character. That clearly didn't come from ballot results. There's tons and tons of popular characters out there, so it's not like Average Joe's are going to somehow rally together a significant amount of votes for individual characters. People could be voting for all sorts of characters from Batman to Mickey Mouse to freaking George Bush. It's way too open ended.

The fact is, Nintendo led us up to believe we have at least some say who gets in, and it would be in poor taste if they didn't follow through with it. The majority of the true votes are going to come from Nintendo fans.

 

[ThePenguinGamer0]

People shipping Burb and Con0rrrr and I'm like

 

[Curious Villager]

I think that's part of the problem with the ballot. We don't really know how the votes are counted due to how open it is and how little information is provided.

Is it the first vote goes though or is it the last? Or can we vote as many times as we want despite kindly asking for one vote per person? Due to Sakurai's statement in regards to Mewtwo and how he made him available for the general public due to sibling's with multiple 3DS's, chances are he probably considered the same for the ballot and thus it can probably be exploited for that and it most likely is being exploited for that by certain diehard fans who are very desperate for their character to make it in.....

It's probably a part of why I and a few others think it's probably more like a suggestion box..... The amount of votes may help to get the character noticed at least though I'd reckon.

 

[MasterofMonster]

Wait, people are shipping @Con0rrrr and @ Burb ?

...

Con0rrrr is clearly the seme. Burb is totally Tsundere.

 

[PushDustIn]

you have faith that a character will be shown off? i wouldn't get my hopes up thats all.

I don't have faith, I just think it's the most probable possibility. This is coming from someone who thinks it's a real possibility that we will only get 2 characters.

In response to what @ Swamp Sensei and @ PushDustIn are saying is this:

Who is primarily voting on the ballot?
There's a couple ways to look at it. There's Smash fans, such as myself, who vote for a couple characters every few days, and also you have character diehards who vote for their character every day. I know the ballot is open to everyone, and it went viral. There's a massive amount of people that could've voted on it that way overshadows the number of repeat Smash fan votes, if the repeat votes even count, that is.

If repeat votes count then that makes the ballot data even most useless. I'm sure there's people who set up bots to vote on the official ballot. After all we saw that with even fan polls.

My question is: Who are people who don't own the game voting for? If they even vote at all. Why do they care who gets in if they don't have the game? These are most of the people who saw the poll online.

Internet trolls are going to vote for characters that are generally considered unviable, even by Sakurai: SpongeBob, Shrek, Goku, etc.. Even ones that are possible, such as Daisy, I personally don't feel will make it through the Sakurai filter for the decision process. It is a "suggestion box" after all, as we all call it, not a pure vote and the top character makes it.

I agree with this sentiment. It's a suggestion box but I think the more general popularity the character has, and the less barriers to entry that they have (No James Bond) then the more likely they will get in. I guess I'm just trying to warn thr community in case things don't turn out how weve expected them to for the last four months.

I fully understand what Dustin is saying: based on the poll, we're obviously going to not be an accurate representation of the whole. As a general statement, the bodybuilder/healthy Americans analogy holds up. I agree with that, but Nintendo clearly knows their audience. You can't say both A) that K. Rool's costume is a direct response to the ballot, and B) that the number of casual voters overshadows the hardcore voters. K. Rool wouldn't have gotten his Mii costume at all if it wasn't clear he was popular.

You actually can say 1 and 2. If you believe that the costume is a consolation prize then it's possible. Costumes don't take as much time to develop and there's less risk. A lot of the costumes could be very niche/ selected audiences. I don't see a lot of people buying Llyod unless they love the Tales of Series. Same goes with the Flying Man, Megaman Zero, etc.

For a fighter they got a lot more riding on it. There's a lot more cost involved with development, but the potential for high profit margins is very likely. They need to pick a character with overall popularity. They need it to sell a lot.

There's lots of people who own Smash Bros. who aren't a part of the Internet community who are going to get excited over Ryu more than a character like Wolf, but then what's the point of the ballot? What does Sakurai mean when he says it will only be "fan service" from here on out? He can't pick another character like Ryu who no one is asking for for Smash but loves because he's a great character. That clearly didn't come from ballot results. There's tons and tons of popular characters out there, so it's not like Average Joe's are going to somehow rally together a significant amount of votes for individual characters. People could be voting for all sorts of characters from Batman to Mickey Mouse to freaking George Bush. It's way too open ended.

But Sakurai says Ryu was a popular choice. He basically alluded that all three were heavily requested, knowing that fans wanted Roy, Ryu and Lucas.

The fact is, Nintendo led us up to believe we have at least some say who gets in, and it would be in poor taste if they didn't follow through with it. The majority of the true votes are going to come from Nintendo fans.

Yes that's true but this ballot result isn't going to be just used for Dlc. It'll impact the next game. So if K Rool or Isaac don't get in as DLC then I can see them being announced in the first E3 trailer for the next game. Just like Wario in Brawl and Villager in Smash for Wii U.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Burb en Con0rr wer goin un a dayt. Den Burb get drank en konfez hiz lub. Con0rr kudnt beliv hiz ears. Dey den snogged 4 7 owerz str8t
@ DoodleDuck97 I saw that tag

 

[Swamp Sensei]

But Sakurai says Ryu was a popular choice. He basically alluded that all three were heavily requested, knowing that fans wanted Roy, Ryu and Lucas.

No.

Stop.

I explained why this didn't work before and you ignored it.

Ryu can be a popular character but not a popular character request. Liked but not demanded.

You even say it.

There is a fighter ballot on the official Smash for Wii U/3DS website. We’ve received an extremely large number of votes, but of course, Lucas, Roy, and Ryu were in developed even before the ballot was created. I had a grasp on their popularity and demand, though.

Sakurai never says Ryu was a popular request.

In fact he never says any of them were. He just says he knew their standings.

He even uses "popularity" and "demand" differently.

Unless there's some language issue I don't know (very possible), this sentiment that Ryu was a super popular request is just wrong.

 

[TheAnvil]

Ryu is just one of those characters that Sakurai knew fans would want, even if they didn't request him that much.

I think it's safe to say he takes hardcore Smash fans into consideration when selecting new characters, otherwise we wouldn't have Lucas or Roy back.

New SG article!
http://www.sourcegaming.info/2015/08/01/sourcegaming-choice-1-veteran-stages/

 

[Frostwraith]

I agree that Ryu is a popular character, as Sakurai stated, but I also agree there's a clear distinction between popularity and demand.

Of course, a demanded character obviously means said character is popular, but a popular character doesn't necessarily mean there's demand for said character.

 

[PushDustIn]

No.

Stop.

I explained why this didn't work before and you ignored it.

Ryu can be a popular character but not a popular character request. Liked but not demanded.

You even say it.

Sakurai never says Ryu was a popular request.

In fact he never says any of them were. He just says he knew their standings.

He even uses "popularity" and "demand" differently.

Unless there's some language issue I don't know (very possible), this sentiment that Ryu was a super popular request is just wrong.

There is a fighter ballot on the official Smash for Wii U/3DS website. We’ve received an extremely large number of votes, but of course, Lucas, Roy, and Ryu were in developed even before the ballot was created. I had a grasp on their popularity and demand, though.

Spoiler

Just in case anyone is wondering:

人気、要望のほどは把握していましたけれども。

(Just released that it should be either "in development even before" or "developed even before")

They were popular AND heavily requested. Sakurai doesn't say one or the other. It's both. The "," in the original Japanese is the same as using と (essentially and). They demand and popularity go hand in hand. You can't separate them.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Ryu is just one of those characters that Sakurai knew fans would want, even if they didn't request him that much.

I think it's safe to say he takes hardcore Smash fans into consideration when selecting new characters, otherwise we wouldn't have Lucas or Roy back.

New SG article!
http://www.sourcegaming.info/2015/08/01/sourcegaming-choice-1-veteran-stages/

Pushdustin confirmed for bad taste in stages.

They were popular AND heavily requested. Sakurai doesn't say one or the other. It's both. The "," in the original Japanese is the same as using と (essentially and). They demand and popularity go hand in hand. You can't separate them.

Okay.

That still doesn't say they were popular.

He just knew where they stood.

Again unless there's even more about Japanese that eludes me.

EDIT: By the way, Push, sorry if I'm coming off as anal about this.

 

[Radical Bones]

Call me optimistic, but I feel like there's another 4 characters coming. One more pre-ballot and three post-.

Only because of this new 'Fighter Bundle #1'.

But I know it means nothing so dont crucify me here.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

By the way, what ever happened to this encrypted data?

If it's encrypted, then we can break it!

Eventually.

Maybe.

 

[TheAnvil]

EDIT: After talking to Push and seeing how the bundle is labelled "1~2" in Japan, I don't think it means much.

 

[DoodleDuck97]

My predictions for charcters are: K Rool, Isaac, Wolf and possibly Bandana Dee.
You can call Bias on my part but it just so happens my characters are very well supported
I think they are doing well and I hope they are because it would amazing to see those first three make it in this game.
I have a few other characters I support as I have said but I need to make a sig to show who they are.
I like to think we are getting an August Direct. Maybe even the next 4 Amiibo shown off/

Burb en Con0rr wer goin un a dayt. Den Burb get drank en konfez hiz lub. Con0rr kudnt beliv hiz ears. Dey den snogged 4 7 owerz str8t
@ DoodleDuck97 I saw that tag

It's True Though Twas your exact reply.

Right I have to talk about these Nintendo Created tournaments now.
So I just got in a Large For Glory Stock. Up against
Now everything went fine. Sonic was SD-ing all over the place and I managed to take Link out around the 1 minute mark.
My biggest problem was Yoshi. He was doing Rolls like no tomorrow. Now I thought nothing of it because:
1. There was 5 seconds left
2. I had 0% and he had 110%
Yet somehow he won. What gives. How did he win. The lack of Sudden Death also bothers me. Like this mode in general needs a few things added to make It perfect.

 

[Kenith]

Call me optimistic, but I feel like there's another 4 characters coming. One more pre-ballot and three post-.

Only because of this new 'Fighter Bundle #1'.

But I know it means nothing so dont crucify me here.

Too late
crusified
no wolf for you mister

 

[Radical Bones]

Too late
crusified
no wolf for you mister

That's what I get for being optimistic.

BRB, changing my username to Pessimist Beam.

 

[Tree Gelbman]

I can't see them only doing 2 characters as the second bundle. We're at 55 characters right now I believe.

4 would make us one shy of 60.

 

[Burb]

By the way, what ever happened to this encrypted data?

If it's encrypted, then we can break it!

Eventually.

Maybe.

It turned out to just be a folder full of Sakurai's nude selfies.

I can't see them only doing 2 characters as the second bundle. We're at 55 characters right now I believe.

4 would make us one shy of 60.

I doubt the number matters much at all to the developers.

 

[Champ Gold]

I'm tired of explaining why Ryu wasn't demanded or requested enough like most 3rd Party characters


Sakurai said he did want to put a focus on characters from fighting games and make more fighters who didn't originate from a fighter

Fans took it as no fighting game characters allowed

People forgot Sakurai can easily change his mind

 

[Tree Gelbman]

It turned out to just be a folder full of Sakurai's nude selfies.

I like the suggestive ones where his cat is covering his go-nads.

And boy does that Sakurai know how to light a fireplace.

Really classy and quite elegant.

 

[Tree Gelbman]

I doubt the number matters much at all to the developers.

Same, but it's something to note. 3 makes 58. 4 makes one shy of 60.

And he did say he was aiming to make this the most impressive character based game. A feat he already beat but I doubt he's a man who is ever going to stop ''improving" till he just can't any more.

 

[Radical Bones]

I like the suggestive ones where his cat is covering his go-nads.

And boy does that Sakurai know how to light a fireplace.

Really class and quite elegant.

My favorite was the one where he was wearing Dark Pit wings, headdress and cuffs while pretending the Dark Pit Staff is his...

Well...

You know...

'Manhood'.

 

[Kenith]

My favorite was the one where he was wearing Dark Pit wings, headdress and cuffs while pretending the Dark Pit Staff is his...

Well...

You know...

'Manhood'.

His cat?

 

[Radical Bones]

His cat?

Let's just say Sakurai's Kid Icarus revival wasn't named 'Uprising' for nothing.

 

[Kenith]

Let's just say Sakurai's Kid Icarus revival wasn't named 'Uprising' for nothing.

You know, I feel an uprising whenever I see Palutena.
A painful reminder of the bloody rebellion soon to come.

 

[DoodleDuck97]

And this thread has gone weird again.

 

[Champ Gold]

And this thread has gone weird again.

Shut up Trevor.

 

[Pokechu]

A book just fell onto my head.

I have only my shelf to blame.

To the guy who invented the number zero...

Thanks for nothing!

 

[CroonerMike]

The place is sort of like the song Hotel California. "You can check-out any time you like, But you can never leave!"

 

[Radical Bones]

The place is sort of like the song Hotel California. "You can check-out any time you like, But you can never leave!"

 

[Tree Gelbman]

The place is sort of like the song Hotel California. "You can check-out any time you like, But you can never leave!"

That might explain my many many Eric Cartman-esque ''**** YOU GUYS I'M OUT."

-two hours later-

 

[Champ Gold]

That might explain my many many Eric Cartman-esque ''**** YOU GUYS I'M OUT."

-two hours later-

That's because even if we do leave we still love it here. It either this or the Smash 4 Social aka Kids, memes and TV show spoilers.

There's a reason @Space Stranger left

 

[PushDustIn]

I'm tired of explaining why Ryu wasn't demanded or requested enough like most 3rd Party characters


Sakurai said he did want to put a focus on characters from fighting games and make more fighters who didn't originate from a fighter

Fans took it as no fighting game characters allowed

People forgot Sakurai can easily change his mind

You should read this. He actually didn't say "No fighting game character". It was something that was probably misinterpreted by the author of that GamesTM article. Unfortunately the author is no longer there, so I wasn't able to get concrete proof...but here's what the full quote should look like based on another part of the article that uses the same quote:

When we are looking at candidates for new characters, we get a list of characters that people are interested in and we go through them with a fine tooth comb. The biggest feature we look at in Smash Bros. is, what does this character bring to to Smash Bros. that other characters don’t? If you look at…someone from a fighting game already, and people like fighting with this character, from my point of view, it’s like ‘this guy does what this guy already does. He fills the role that this character already has.’ So while you may like this character and he’s interesting, that doesn’t really merge well here.

Mr. Gordon of GamesTM stated the following:

I would agree the quote is stating a character is only added if they offer something new to the roster.
Taking the example of Ryu, my interpretation of the quote would be that since he was added Ken would not be considered for the game. He is ultimately very similar to Ryu.

I'm done arguing. In the end, either @ Swamp Sensei or I could be correct, or we both could be off. Right now, there's not enough evidence to say one way or the other, and we are both steadfast in our opinions.

I think being in the dark is going to drive us mad...and its' only been 2 days.

 

[Champ Gold]

You should read this. He actually didn't say "No fighting game character". It was something that was probably misinterpreted by the author of that GamesTM article. Unfortunately the author is no longer there, so I wasn't able to get concrete proof...but here's what the full quote should look like based on another part of the article that uses the same quote:



Mr. Gordon of GamesTM stated the following:



I'm done arguing. In the end, either @ Swamp Sensei or I could be correct, or we both could be off. Right now, there's not enough evidence to say one way or the other, and we are both steadfast in our opinions.

I think being in the dark is going to drive us mad...and its' only been 2 days.

That's actually what I said. Sakurai really wanted to focus moreso on making those characters who aren't from fighters into something special and not looking into adding characters already established that role. Fans took it as "NO FIGHTING GAME CHARACTERS ALLOWED" so when Ryu was leaked, people were confused.

 

[DoodleDuck97]

Shut up Trevor.
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[Burb]

I'm tired of explaining why Ryu wasn't demanded or requested enough like most 3rd Party characters


Sakurai said he did want to put a focus on characters from fighting games and make more fighters who didn't originate from a fighter

Fans took it as no fighting game characters allowed

People forgot Sakurai can easily change his mind

I wouldn't say "easily". He changes his mind on stuff (Miis, Villager), but other things, he's quite stubborn about.