NintenZone Social Thread: Shovel Knight Amiibo Hype Catastrophe (feat. Swamp)

[DoodleDuck97]

To the guy who invented the number zero...

Thanks for nothing!

I know, now because of him, this guy won't stop winning tournaments

 

[Geno Boost]

"When Captain Falcon goes to the doctor…"

Spoiler

i miss funny SSB4 pictures thread

 

[Khoru]

here's a question
bamco, sega, capcom, konami, and squeenix get four stages each
what are they

 

[epicmartin7]

You know what I just realized? I've been in this group for the past 8 months and I haven't even debated majorly with anyone . I may have made little bets, but those were just for fun XD.

 

[CroonerMike]

You know what I just realized? I've been in this group for the past 8 months and I haven't even debated majorly with anyone . I may have made little bets, but those were just for fun XD.

Wanna fight....punk

 

[Deleted member]

here's a question
bamco, sega, capcom, konami, and squeenix get four stages each
what are they

Can't think of four for each but:
Tales of stage because Lloyd costume, port Pac-Maze to Wii U pls
Sonic stages because SEGA has nothing else to use inb4 someone takes this seriously
GOOD Mega Man stage, some Phoenix Wright stage(lol never played anything besides the 3DS demo :'^))
Shadow Moses Island because music
End of Time(Chrono Trigger), Crystal Palace(FFIV), Dragon Quest stage

You know what I just realized? I've been in this group for the past 8 months and I haven't even debated majorly with anyone . I may have made little bets, but those were just for fun XD.

I disagree with your point of view and as such we must fight now.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Holy **** Sacred Stoners is easy as hell. After beating Chapter 10 I have 5 characters who promoted at 20 this is ridiculous. Then again, I Arena Abused. Twice

 

[Deleted member]

Holy **** Sacred Stoners is easy as hell. After beating Chapter 10 I have 5 characters who promoted at 20 this is ridiculous. Then again, I Arena Abused. Twice

Am I the only one who doesn't grind in FE games? Seriously, the only instance where I grinded was because of Amelia(lol pre-promote) and ended up only promoting everyone in my main team at chapter 14(damn specific promotion items) with none of them ever hitting level 20(Eirika came the closest but she can only promote after Chapter 16 anyways).
Grinding is for n00bs

 

[Space Stranger]

There's a reason @ Space Stranger left

I never leave, I just fade back into obscurity only to come out at inappropriate times.

I'm like a loud and deadly fart!

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

Holy **** Sacred Stoners is easy as hell. After beating Chapter 10 I have 5 characters who promoted at 20 this is ridiculous. Then again, I Arena Abused. Twice

I played through Sacred Stones a million times, and I never went to an arena.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Never grinded in 13 and 7 outside of Raven to get him as a Hero. Also, Prepromote isn't that term, prepromotes are characters you recruit that are already promoted, Seth, Marcus, Vaida, Frederick, etc. you're thinking about Trainees

Am I the only one who doesn't grind in FE games? Seriously, the only instance where I grinded was because of Amelia(lol pre-promote) and ended up only promoting everyone in my main team at chapter 14(damn specific promotion items) with none of them ever hitting level 20(Eirika came the closest but she can only promote after Chapter 16 anyways).
Grinding is for n00bs

 

[Space Stranger]

Am I the only one who doesn't grind in FE games? Seriously, the only instance where I grinded was because of Amelia(lol pre-promote) and ended up only promoting everyone in my main team at chapter 14(damn specific promotion items) with none of them ever hitting level 20(Eirika came the closest but she can only promote after Chapter 16 anyways).
Grinding is for n00bs

I'm currently doing a no grind run on Hard and it's still pretty easy. Ross is the only trainee I used because he comes early.

 

[Schnee117]

here's a question
bamco, sega, capcom, konami, and squeenix get four stages each
what are they

This is disregarding already existing stages in SSB4U

Bamco: Pac-Maze (Pac-Man), Ostrheinsburg Chapel (Soul Calibur), Heihachi (Tekken. Yes that's also the name of a stage) and Sylvarant (Tales of Symphonia).

SEGA: Green Hill Zone (Sonic), Planet Aries (Alex Kidd), Arcadia (Skies of Arcadia) and Shibuya-cho (Jet Set Radio)

Capcom: Wily Castle without the Yellow Devil (Mega Man), Courtroom (Ace Attorney), Raccoon City (Resident Evil), Suzaku Castle (Street Fighter).

Konami: Shadow Moses Island (Metal Gear), Dracula's Castle (Castlevania), Silent Hill (Silent Hill) and Alien Lair (Contra).

SE: Midgar (Final Fantasy), Zenithia (Dragon Quest), Mana Fortress (Secrets of Mana) and Roak (Star Ocean).

 

[Starlight_Lily]

Holy **** Sacred Stoners is easy as hell. After beating Chapter 10 I have 5 characters who promoted at 20 this is ridiculous. Then again, I Arena Abused. Twice

I you want somewhat of a challenge don't arena abuse, escepically in Sacred Stones since many see it as the easiest Fire Emblem. But if your just in Sacred Stones for the supports conversations and story, abuse away.

Also you should totally play Fire Emblem Tharcia 776, go from the easiest game in the series to the hardest, it'll make waaay more fun

 

[Cutie Gwen]

I played through Sacred Stones a million times, and I never went to an arena.

lol have fun with your ****ty units
Holy **** Colm is a ****ing beast. Thiefs aren't meant to be this good

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

lol have fun with your ****ty units.

Hey! I got street savoir-faire, I get by just fine

 

[Cutie Gwen]

How to make Sacred Stoners WAAAAY more difficult. Remove Seth

 

[Geno Boost]

here's a question
bamco, sega, capcom, konami, and squeenix get four stages each
what are they

Namco:
= pac-maze
Dig dug/Taizo = Dig dug stage
Heihachi = Tekken stage
Lloyd = tales of stage

Sega:
=
Alex Kidd = miracle world
Akira = virtual fighter stage
NiGHTS = NiGHTS stage

Capcom:
= dr. Willy castle
= Suzaku castle
Sir Arthur = ghost n goblin stage
Dante = devil may cry stage

Konami:
=
Bomberman = bomberman area
Simon Belmont = Dracula castle
Goemon = mystical ninja stage

Square Enix:
Geno = forest maze
Black Mage = jenova
Slime/Erdrick = dragon quest stage
Crono = end of time

 

[Deleted member]

Never grinded in 13 and 7 outside of Raven to get him as a Hero. Also, Prepromote isn't that term, prepromotes are characters you recruit that are already promoted, Seth, Marcus, Vaida, Frederick, etc. you're thinking about Trainees

Oh, it is? I knew there was a term for characters like Seth, but didn't know the archetype name for it.
Still, Trainees are the stupidest thing they ever added, it's FE equivalent of Baby Pokemon, the Trainees you get don't even become that strong to compensate

I'm currently doing a no grind run on Hard and it's still pretty easy. Ross is the only trainee I used because he comes early.

SS isn't hard by any means, but grinding always makes things easier and bear in mind that a blind run is usually a little harder.
Like losing the chance of recruiting a character if you kill the boss earlier in Chapter 13(I still haven't gotten over it )

I you want somewhat of a challenge don't arena abuse, escepically in Sacred Stones since many see it as the easiest Fire Emblem. But if your just in Sacred Stones for the supports conversations and story, abuse away.

Also you should totally play Fire Emblem Tharcia 776, go from the easiest game in the series to the hardest, it'll make waaay more fun

I honestly want to play Tharcia 776 blind with no resets just to see how far I go lol

lol have fun with your ****ty units
Holy **** Colm is a ****ing beast. Thiefs aren't meant to be this good

If you haven't promoted him already, Assassin is the best one imo, Rouges don't need lockpicks and can steal items but Assassins get Lethality and unlike Awakening, it's determined by half of your crit%, just give him a Killing Edge and he kills everything.
Also, if you aren't using Joshua, USE him, he's probably one of the best units in the game, his promotions(Assassin and Swordmaster) give him such a high skill he's going to be critting everything(if he doesn't OHKO them with lethality that is).
He also has the best special boss conversations in the game imo(without spoilers, make sure he battles Chapter's 14 and 15 bosses(Eirika's route)
Btw, which route did you take?

 

[epicmartin7]

Wanna fight....punk

I disagree with your point of view and as such we must fight now.

Just launched a nuke fair and square. Get rekt m8 .

 

[MasterofMonster]

@Pokechu

Also... the new Pokémon/Zygarde form.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Oh, it is? I knew there was a term for characters like Seth, but didn't know the archetype name for it.
Still, Trainees are the stupidest thing they ever added, it's FE equivalent of Baby Pokemon, the Trainees you get don't even become that strong to compensate

SS isn't hard by any means, but grinding always makes things easier and bear in mind that a blind run is usually a little harder.
Like losing the chance of recruiting a character if you kill the boss earlier in Chapter 13(I still haven't gotten over it )

I honestly want to play Tharcia 776 blind with no resets just to see how far I go lol

If you haven't promoted him already, Assassin is the best one imo, Rouges don't need lockpicks and can steal items but Assassins get Lethality and unlike Awakening, it's determined by half of your crit%, just give him a Killing Edge and he kills everything.
Also, if you aren't using Joshua, USE him, he's probably one of the best units in the game, his promotions(Assassin and Swordmaster) give him such a high skill he's going to be critting everything(if he doesn't OHKO them with lethality that is).
He also has the best special boss conversations in the game imo(without spoilers, make sure he battles Chapter's 14 and 15 bosses(Eirika's route)
Btw, which route did you take?

I chose Rogue, he promoted at 20 and he killed almost everything with his beastly 7 Strength. He also takes next to no damage, and because I don't want to waste Lockpicks, Rogue's are better. I chose Eirika because I love her design. Vanessa became a Wyvern Knight, Franz can wield axes, Neimi's a Ranger and Gerik's a Hero

 

[DMurr]

Ok, I know you said you were done talking about it, but I was sleeping and didn't get a chance to respond yet, so I'll just give a few thoughts.

If repeat votes count then that makes the ballot data even most useless. I'm sure there's people who set up bots to vote on the official ballot. After all we saw that with even fan polls.

I think @Curious Villager has a valid point that I didn’t originally think of regarding the ballot not being restricted for the same reason as Mewtwo being available for purchase for everyone. The votes on the ballot were always going to be meaningless, though. @vaanrose has explained to me multiple times why an opt-in vote (which the ballot is) will always give inaccurate data, because you’re never going to get a true representation of the whole when only a subset will be the ones opting in. We’re that subset.

The thing about botted votes though, is that it will be clear which they are as their information isn’t being filled out differently each time. Their databases might not even store exactly repeated data. The chance of two humans writing the exact same, word-for-word response on the ballot is incredibly low. Yes, possible, but it won’t be a significant effect on the results if one of those isn’t counted.

I agree with this sentiment. It's a suggestion box but I think the more general popularity the character has, and the less barriers to entry that they have (No James Bond) then the more likely they will get in. I guess I'm just trying to warn thr community in case things don't turn out how weve expected them to for the last four months.

Yeah, well things usually end up different than we expect, like Wario not making Melee as you’ve mentioned a few times before. I’m not meaning to imply that we’re getting exactly K. Rool, Isaac, Wolf, Shovel Knight, Snake, etc. who match the fan polls, and I’ve never thought that anyway. I'm sure some fans do, but that will happen regardless.

You actually can say 1 and 2. If you believe that the costume is a consolation prize then it's possible. Costumes don't take as much time to develop and there's less risk. A lot of the costumes could be very niche/ selected audiences. I don't see a lot of people buying Llyod unless they love the Tales of Series. Same goes with the Flying Man, Megaman Zero, etc.

For a fighter they got a lot more riding on it. There's a lot more cost involved with development, but the potential for high profit margins is very likely. They need to pick a character with overall popularity. They need it to sell a lot.

Consolation prize is defined as the following:

a prize given to a competitor who narrowly fails to win or who finishes last.

Maybe I’m arguing semantics here, and correct me if I’m wrong, but my understanding of what your original point was is that with so many people voting on the ballot, a significant number of those people not knowing who K. Rool is, he probably isn’t winning or is likely overshadowed by your non-Smash fan votes. If that’s true, he didn’t narrowly lose, and he’s certainly not in last. He’d be somewhere in the middle. How would the ballot be influential in picking a character that’s middle of the road?

But Sakurai says Ryu was a popular choice. He basically alluded that all three were heavily requested, knowing that fans wanted Roy, Ryu and Lucas.

Arguing semantics here also, and again correct me if I’m wrong since I can’t read the original Japanese, but he made the “popular and demanded” statement about all three, yes? Lucas and Roy were demanded, but all three were popular. He didn’t narrow down to specifically Ryu’s demand, so the statement about all three isn’t false overall. You even noted yourself that, at least among Smash fans, Ryu wasn’t a popular suggestion (30th place on the poll, yes?). What I was saying before about the ballot being so open-ended applies here too. How many people online were voting for Ryu? A portion of people that saw the ballot who are Street Fighter fans? Even then, there’s so many different Street Fighter characters who could be voted for.

Yes that's true but this ballot result isn't going to be just used for Dlc. It'll impact the next game. So if K Rool or Isaac don't get in as DLC then I can see them being announced in the first E3 trailer for the next game. Just like Wario in Brawl and Villager in Smash for Wii U.

Yeah, it’s possible, but there’s still the Sakurai filter I’ve mentioned multiple times which prevented non-relevant characters from getting into Smash 4, of which both K. Rool and Isaac fit the criteria for. This is something @ Burb talks about all the time. It's also what kept Lucas and Wolf from the base roster, and potentially will keep Wolf out. Unless they receive new games or are added to new games, they’re still in the same place they were before. It’s fairly unprecedented for Sakurai to pick a “middle” character compared to a classic or modern character. Both Bowser Jr. and Rosalina got in before Toad, for example, even though he was one of the top choices on the Smash 2 poll.

The best shot for characters like these is through the ballot.

 

[Khoru]

Dante = devil may cry stage

there are some kind of weird choices from others (lol, ff7)
but this? this is a new peak. the only time dante - just dante - has appeared on nintendo is in project x zone. compare this to ace attorney, okami, or even resident evil. it's silly.
also virtua fighter's just had an rpg.

(also also zeal >>>>>> end of time)

 

[Geno Boost]

there are some kind of weird choices from others (lol, ff7)
but this? this is a new peak. the only time dante - just dante - has appeared on nintendo is in project x zone. compare this to ace attorney, okami, or even resident evil. it's silly.
also virtua fighter's just had an rpg.

(also also zeal >>>>>> end of time)

i just want to see the cover of SSB have this

 

[Deleted member]

I chose Rogue, he promoted at 20 and he killed almost everything with his beastly 7 Strength. He also takes next to no damage, and because I don't want to waste Lockpicks, Rogue's are better. I chose Eirika because I love her design. Vanessa became a Wyvern Knight, Franz can wield axes, Neimi's a Ranger and Gerik's a Hero

Wait, Pegasus Riders promote to Wyvern Knights? ****, I lost the chance to recruit the only Wyvern Rider in the game and let Tana die, and I haven't used Vanessa since the beginning of the game, RIP Wyverns for me
Also, as I said before use Joshua, he's a redhead, you like redheads don't you?
Killing Edge? Crit fest?
I must pass his grandiosity to new players

Spoiler

there are some kind of weird choices from others (lol, ff7)
but this? this is a new peak. the only time dante - just dante - has appeared on nintendo is in project x zone. compare this to ace attorney, okami, or even resident evil. it's silly.
also virtua fighter's just had an rpg.

(also also zeal >>>>>> end of time)

Black Bird>>>>>Zeal

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Wait, Pegasus Riders promote to Wyvern Knights? ****, I lost the chance to recruit the only Wyvern Rider in the game and let Tana die, and I haven't used Vanessa since the beginning of the game, RIP Wyverns for me
Also, as I said before use Joshua, he's a redhead, you like redheads don't you?
Killing Edge? Crit fest?
I must pass his grandiosity to new players

Spoiler

Black Bird>>>>>Zeal

WTF YOU DIDN'T USE VANESSA? SHE'S LIKE FRANZ, WHO'S LIKE SETH, BUT SHE FLIES!

 

[Burb]

Consolation prize is defined as the following:


Maybe I’m arguing semantics here, and correct me if I’m wrong, but my understanding of what your original point was is that with so many people voting on the ballot, a significant number of those people not knowing who K. Rool is, he probably isn’t winning or is likely overshadowed by your non-Smash fan votes. If that’s true, he didn’t narrowly lose, and he’s certainly not in last. He’d be somewhere in the middle. How would the ballot be influential in picking a character that’s middle of the road?

When we describe Mii Costumes as a "consolation prize", we mean it as a sort of "Sorry, you weren't chosen! But you're not going home empty handed! Here's the next best thing" type thing.

It has nothing to do with "winning" or "losing", it's about acknowledging a popular pick and giving fans of that character something else rather than making them playable. There really is no ballot winner, it's a suggestion box, not a poll.

 

[Deleted member]

WTF YOU DIDN'T USE VANESSA? SHE'S LIKE FRANZ, WHO'S LIKE SETH, BUT SHE FLIES!

When you have limited units to deploy in the earlier chapters, and you have to choose between a healer, a flying unit(lol arrows) and whatever Garcia is, you usually choose the healer.
Then ignore said healer until chapter 10 when you realize that Natasha can't heal everyone in one turn

 

[Cutie Gwen]

When you have limited units to deploy in the earlier chapters, and you have to choose between a healer, a flying unit(lol arrows) and whatever Garcia is, you usually choose the healer.
Then ignore said healer until chapter 10 when you realize that Natasha can't heal everyone in one turn

Garcia's garbage though! I actually have 2 healers, Moulder and Natasha, and only my promoted units have axes. Odd as usually it's Lances I never have. Mages suck so far though

 

[Khoru]

oh right i never said this
this is my list
Sega
-Green Hill Zone
-Chemical Plant Zone
-City Escape
-Nightopia (or an SMT stage)

Capcom
-Wily Castle
-Central Highway, maybe? Or something from Legends or Battle Network.
-Suzaku Castle
-Courtroom (perhaps the one from AA5)

Bandai Namco
-Pac-Maze
-Pac-Land, I guess
-something from Tekken. I know nothing about Tekken.
-Tower of Salvation

Konami
-Shadow Moses Island
-a stage from MGS3, like the field at the end
-Dracula’s Castle
-Bomb Factory

Square Enix
-a stage from FF1 or 4
-a stage from FF6
-a stage from Dragon Quest
-Zeal

i just want to see the cover of SSB have this
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for real, they missed an opportunity by not having sonic chars in PxZ2

 

[Space Stranger]

Garcia's garbage though! I actually have 2 healers, Moulder and Natasha, and only my promoted units have axes. Odd as usually it's Lances I never have. Mages suck so far though

If you make Ross a pirate early, Garcia loses all utility since he doesn't double.

Is Vanessa any good? I never had a chance to use ehr because I waited for Tana.

 

[SlickWylde]

How much does the stage DLC cost? I'm considering actually setting up the Wii U (it's in a bag right now, too lazy to get it out) and getting it, but only if it's really cheap.

 

[Burb]

How much does the stage DLC cost? I'm considering actually setting up the Wii U (it's in a bag right now, too lazy to get it out) and getting it, but only if it's really cheap.

1.99 each.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

If you make Ross a pirate early, Garcia loses all utility since he doesn't double.

Is Vanessa any good? I never had a chance to use ehr because I waited for Tana.

Vanessa is slightly less beastly than Seth and she flies. She's one of the top 5 best on Serenes Forest actually

 

[Deleted member]

Garcia's garbage though! I actually have 2 healers, Moulder and Natasha, and only my promoted units have axes. Odd as usually it's Lances I never have. Mages suck so far though

Yeah, I neglected Garcia after his chapter due to me trying to have Ross as the Axe user(keyword:try), and I ended up with both Moulder and Natasha as healers(though since Chapter 16, I've removed him to be able to use Ephraim).
You should probably have stick with Gilliam since he's one of the only Knights in the game iirc, even with low movement, high defense is always great and he's a ****ing immovable wall once he promotes to General.
Lute is a great Mage though, she has the highest strength/magic growth of the units and Sage gets access to Light Magic and Staves(though she acts more of a frontlines unit and a backup healer)

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Yeah, I neglected Garcia after his chapter due to me trying to have Ross as the Axe user(keyword:try), and I ended up with both Moulder and Natasha as healers(though since Chapter 16, I've removed him to be able to use Ephraim).
You should probably have stick with Gilliam since he's one of the only Knights in the game iirc, even with low movement, high defense is always great and he's a ****ing immovable wall once he promotes to General.
Lute is a great Mage though, she has the highest strength/magic growth of the units and Sage gets access to Light Magic and Staves(though she acts more of a frontlines unit and a backup healer)

Some of my units are actually strong enough to take no damage, even Colm. I'm only at 11 now though, never tried Lute, she's no Erk, who was already mediocre

 

[Frostwraith]

There really is no ballot winner, it's a suggestion box, not a poll.

If only more people actually understood that...

 

[DMurr]

When we describe Mii Costumes as a "consolation prize", we mean it as a sort of "Sorry, you weren't chosen! But you're not going home empty handed! Here's the next best thing" type thing.

It has nothing to do with "winning" or "losing", it's about acknowledging a popular pick and giving fans of that character something else rather than making them playable. There really is no ballot winner, it's a suggestion box, not a poll.

Sure, but why would they pick K. Rool if they didn't know he was popular with the fans? They're definitely going to use the top results. Saying the number of votes isn't important is inaccurate as it just gives a numeric value to the characters. Sakurai knows who the popular characters are and has always picked most of his selections from those. I don't think we're going to have a "first place choice character" or anything, but the results do matter.

My point in what you're responding to isn't winning or losing the ballot, it's that you can't say both K. Rool was picked as a consolation prize from the ballot and say his votes are overshadowed. That's contradictory. If he was picked for a costume because of say, online popularity, then that bypasses the ballot altogether and says nothing about it, which is what we're discussing. If his votes are overshadowed, there's no reason to have picked him for a costume over other characters.

 

[Burb]

Sure, but why would they pick K. Rool if they didn't know he was popular with the fans? They're definitely going to use the top results. Saying the number of votes isn't important is inaccurate as it just gives a numeric value to the characters. Sakurai knows who the popular characters are and has always picked most of his selections from those. I don't think we're going to have a "first place choice character" or anything, but the results do matter.

My point in what you're responding to isn't winning or losing the ballot, it's that you can't say both K. Rool was picked as a consolation prize from the ballot and say his votes are overshadowed. That's contradictory. If he was picked for a costume because of say, online popularity, then that bypasses the ballot altogether and says nothing about it, which is what we're discussing. If his votes are overshadowed, there's no reason to have picked him for a costume over other characters.

Because they do know.