NintenZone Social Thread: Shovel Knight Amiibo Hype Catastrophe (feat. Swamp)

[Luigi The President]

So..should we like, remake the tournament?

 

[Radical Bones]

Okay so today I'm going to figure out who my 'main' is. I play as like 15 characters but think it'd be beneficial to have at least 2-3 that I'm really good at and can pull off a few combos.

Options are:



This might take a while...

 

[epicmartin7]

 

[Luigi The President]

...Guys? We can do 1v1....are we gonna do it or what, for the tournament?

 

[WeirdJoe27]

Yo, guys, you can actually make a 1v1 tournament.

Go to the "Regular" tournament option.

Where is that?

 

[Luigi The President]

Where is that?

Literally right on the Tournaments screen

 

[cmbsfm]

Yo, guys, you can actually make a 1v1 tournament.

Go to the "Regular" tournament option.

Aren't the Regular tournaments the Nintendo made tournaments?

 

[IceBreakerXY]

You literally can't turn off items and have 1v1's in tourney mode.Unless your doing the nintendo made tourneys in the regular category.If you make your own tourney items are always gonna be on(you can turn them on low) and it will always be free for alls.Thats why i say the mode sucks at the current moment

 

[Chrono.]

There's no way to do local tournaments right?

Thats kinda...

 

[Luigi The President]

Wait, you can't make Regular tourneys? I was confused by that reddit comment, but didn't get it.....Wow.

OH, but sometimes a match would start with only 3 people. What if we allow only 2 people in a room, and everyone who connects to that room has to DC if there's...nvm this is a bad idea

I was gonna say if there's already 2 in it.

 

[Neo Zero]

When a thread gets too big we have to make a new one or it glitches.

Calm down.

Actually I don't think that glitch happens anymore. At least it takes a lot longer?

 

[Luigi The President]

Hey who wants to debate with me I'm really bored

It can be about an indie chara or something. I mean, debate with me about Smash DLC.

 

[Champ Gold]

Actually I don't think that glitch happens anymore. At least it takes a lot longer?

Has anyone ever told you how cute you are?

 

[PushDustIn]

Because the data in question was a handful of people?

Fanpolls are that great either but they're better than that because of the greater number of voters. You're equivocating.


I... never said otherwise... I even agreed with you....

"Now, I'm not trying to say popularity will trump all, but this "casuals vote for someone different" is weak."

That's the point I was making...

Push, no offense, but did you read?

I did read, like I said I was rushed to respond because I had class. Here's the rest of the points I was going to make/ response to your newer post.

In polling a greater number of votes does not equal more accuracy. You could ask 100 or 1,000 body builders about their personal fitness trainers but it doesn't make it any more right when trying to understand "How healthy Americans are".

In a way fan polls on Smash sites are exactly like that. Unless we can get all people who voted, they are never going to be accurate. And if Melee and Brawl are anything to go by, then they will never release the official data.

The truth of the matter is most of us will buy whoever they release. They need to cater to the lowest denomitor. Roy and Lucas makes sense as people are already familiar with them. Ryu makes sense because most people are aware of who he is. K Rool? People might not know who he is. Looking at how many mentions K Rool or any other character have on "greatest characters ever" lists in the recent years will tell us if they are on the public conscious. Seeing how much fan art they have outside of the hardcore Smash community is another good indicator. I'm just afraid that we are getting so wrapped up in our Smash world that we are ignoring the bigger picture. I really enjoy this debate with you Swampasaur, so I hope you aren't taking it personal at all. DMurr and I had a similar debate over the course of the last few days and it's something that's been on my mind.

 

[CyberHyperPhoenix]

>Geno data found in game


Lol ok then.

 

[Chrono.]

>Geno data found in game


Lol ok then.

What?

 

[SuperMii3D]

Saku-why....

 

[Swamp Sensei]

In polling a greater number of votes does not equal more accuracy. You could ask 100 or 1,000 body builders about their personal fitness trainers but it doesn't make it any more right when trying to understand "How healthy Americans are"..

But polling 1,000 people is better and more accurate than 100. That's what I meant.

In a way fan polls on Smash sites are exactly like that. Unless we can get all people who voted, they are never going to be accurate. And if Melee and Brawl are anything to go by, then they will never release the official data.

Of course they won't be completely accurate.

But it's all we got Push. That's the point.

When someone says K.Rool is popular. It's at least based on some form of data.

Saying casuals vote for someone else is BASELESS regardless on whether it's true or not.

It could be true but it could not.

I feel like we're arguing different points.

The truth of the matter is most of us will buy whoever they release. They need to cater to the lowest denomitor. Roy and Lucas makes sense as people are already familiar with them. Ryu makes sense because most people are aware of who he is. K Rool? People might not know who he is. Looking at how many mentions K Rool or any other character have on "greatest characters ever" lists in the recent years will tell us if they are on the public conscious. Seeing how much fan art they have outside of the hardcore Smash community is another good indicator. I'm just afraid that we are getting so wrapped up in our Smash world that we are ignoring the bigger picture. I really enjoy this debate with you Swampasaur, so I hope you aren't taking it personal at all. DMurr and I had a similar debate over the course of the last few days and it's something that's been on my mind.

I don't think fanart is a good indicator. Some kind of characters and fanbses are more likely to do fanart, fanfiction, etc. For example, tons of Sonic fanart but little Wii Sports or Halo fanart.

Moreover, if people don't know who they are, isn't it safe to fill the roster with just Mario characters? There's a balance.




On another note, I feel that we're gonna get 4 more characters.

Wolf
One hardcore Japan character
One hardcore West character (Isaac)
Balance?

 

[Chrono.]

On another note, I feel that we're gonna get 4 more characters.

Wolf
One hardcore Japan character
One hardcore West character (Isaac)
Balance?

Another 3rd Party? For Bamco or SEGA, perhaps?

 

[Starlight_Lily]

I did read, like I said I was rushed to respond because I had class. Here's the rest of the points I was going to make/ response to your newer post.

In polling a greater number of votes does not equal more accuracy. You could ask 100 or 1,000 body builders about their personal fitness trainers but it doesn't make it any more right when trying to understand "How healthy Americans are".

In a way fan polls on Smash sites are exactly like that. Unless we can get all people who voted, they are never going to be accurate. And if Melee and Brawl are anything to go by, then they will never release the official data.

The truth of the matter is most of us will buy whoever they release. They need to cater to the lowest denomitor. Roy and Lucas makes sense as people are already familiar with them. Ryu makes sense because most people are aware of who he is. K Rool? People might not know who he is. Looking at how many mentions K Rool or any other character have on "greatest characters ever" lists in the recent years will tell us if they are on the public conscious. Seeing how much fan art they have outside of the hardcore Smash community is another good indicator. I'm just afraid that we are getting so wrapped up in our Smash world that we are ignoring the bigger picture. I really enjoy this debate with you Swampasaur, so I hope you aren't taking it personal at all. DMurr and I had a similar debate over the course of the last few days and it's something that's been on my mind.

Actually this reasoning here is why I think Daisy is in likely for DLC category. She is actually pretty well known as that Princess who is nearly in all Mario sports games, so she could easily draw in sales from hardcore Mario fans and causal Smash fans. This same logic can easily be applied to Waluigi as well, even if he's an assist trophy, he is still more well known to the masses then King K Rool.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Actually this reasoning here is why I think Daisy is in likely for DLC category. She is actually pretty well known as that Princess who is nearly all Mario sports games, so she could easily draw in sales from hardcore Mario fans and causal Smash fans. This same logic can easily be applied to Waluigi as well, even if he's an assist trophy, he is still more well known to the masses then King K Rool.

At the same time there's the case of just because she's popular doesn't mean she'll get in.

>Geno data found in game


Lol ok then.

What?

 

[Chrono.]

The Geno thing is this http://smashboards.com/threads/is-this-geno-data-real.412401/

Rubbish basically.

 

[WeirdJoe27]

The Geno thing is this http://smashboards.com/threads/is-this-geno-data-real.412401/

Rubbish basically.

lol, talk about grasping at straws....

 

[Starlight_Lily]

At the same time there's the case of just because she's popular doesn't mean she'll get in.

I know, I simply said she was in the likely catogry, not 100% guaranteed. Main point is, she is one of the view characters who can appeal to both causal Smash fans and the core Smash Bros fanbase with her being a Nintendo character, so must probably wouldn't mind her. And I did mention Waluigi, but you know assist trophy and all.

 

[Dravidian]

Welp I'm having trouble on the first boss of Splatoon, I don't think my playthrough the single player mode bodes well.

Any advice guys?

It's better for us hear the problem first.

How are you trying to beat the boss? What are you doing? What's getting you splatted?

 

[Burb]

The Geno thing is this http://smashboards.com/threads/is-this-geno-data-real.412401/

Rubbish basically.

 

[CyberHyperPhoenix]

What?

http://smashboards.com/threads/is-this-geno-data-real.412401/#post-19802989

lol

 

[Burb]

lol, talk about grasping at straws....

It's not grasping for straws.

It's a completely effortless fake text leak.

 

[PushDustIn]

But polling 1,000 people is better and more accurate than 100. That's what I meant.

You are missing my point. More people doesn't necessarily mean accuracy. If you are asking the same type of people you are bound to get skewed data. This is something that I studied as a political science major. That's why polls aren't even considered that accurate without being checked by another organization. Even if the data is found to be represented a margin of error is created. The margin of error is based on a lot of factors and not just the amount.

Of course they won't be completely accurate.

But it's all we got Push. That's the point.

When someone says K.Rool is popular. It's at least based on some form of data.

And for a long time we based all of our cut content information off one post that we took as truth. I'm just asking for everyone to at least entertain the idea that our data might have some bias in it. Especially as we are polling the same type of people over and over again.

Saying casuals vote for someone else is BASELESS regardless on whether it's true or not.

It could be true but it could not.

I feel like we're arguing different points.

That's right it could be true or it could not be. Either way, both of our points are equally valid right now.

I don't think fanart is a good indicator. Some kind of characters and fanbses are more likely to do fanart, fanfiction, etc. For example, tons of Sonic fanart but little Wii Sports or Halo fanart.

Moreover, if people don't know who they are, isn't it safe to fill the roster with just Mario characters? There's a balance.

That's just an idea. Frankly until we figure out how to measure the casual opinion then we will be at a standstill with this argument.

Got class again! See you in a bit.

 

[Con0rrrr]

I like to think a tear appears in @ Burb 's avatar every time they hear the name "Geno"

 

[Burb]

I like to think a tear appears in @ Burb 's avatar every time they hear the name "Geno"

That's Marcus, he's a boy.

And this doesn't really have anything to do with the fact that it's Geno. I'd react the same way even if it were a believable character, because it's a really stupid leak.

 

[Starlight_Lily]

The Geno thing is this http://smashboards.com/threads/is-this-geno-data-real.412401/

Rubbish basically.

This sounds like that silly Brawl rumour that went around it was released, that Brawl was delayed because they had to remove him from the game.

It's better for us hear the problem first.

How are you trying to beat the boss? What are you doing? What's getting you splatted?

Okay, I manage to get to phase 3, the part where the boss's side panels start to move. I'm able to get Ink on the panels, but as soon as I manage to lay down the Ink I need to use to get up the panels the boss gets up, and I'm unable to get up the panels quick enough. Also I'm having trouble just keeping track of when the boss will slap down, so at times I'm able to easily dodge it, but on others I get splattered.

 

[Con0rrrr]

That's Marcus, he's a boy.

And this doesn't really have anything to do with the fact that it's Geno. I'd react the same way if it were a believable character, because it's a really stupid leak.

Oh I know. I just love your passive aggressiveness for Geno fans. Which is understandable. They were awful during Brawl days.

 

[Luigi The President]

That's Marcus, he's a boy.

And this doesn't really have anything to do with the fact that it's Geno. I'd react the same way if it were a believable character, because it's a really stupid leak.

THAT'S NOT JUST A BLUE FOX?

 

[Kenith]

Wolf
One hardcore Japan character
One hardcore West character (Isaac)
Balance?

Wolf
Bandana Dee?
Isaac?
King K. Rool? Inkling?

 

[Dravidian]

But polling 1,000 people is better and more accurate than 100. That's what I meant.

It could be more accurate, but only if that 1000 is a better sampling.

It's like asking people if they say "soda" or "pop". If you're in a Northern state like Jersey you're more likely to hear more say "pop" regardless of if you poll 100 or 1,000 people.

Greater numbers and better representation of opinions within those numbers are two different things

EDIT: I really need to stop leaving my computer mid-post

 

[Luigi The President]

My prediction;

Wolf, K. Rool, Isaac, Paper Mario.

Easy.

 

[Burb]

THAT'S NOT JUST A BLUE FOX?

Nope, it's Marcus, an actual Star Fox character.

Oh I know. I just love your passive aggressiveness for Geno fans. Which is understandable. They were awful during Brawl days.

The few that remain are just as bad as the Brawl ones.

This sounds like that silly Brawl rumour that went around it was released, that Brawl was delayed because they had to remove him from the game.

I remember that, it was so stupid. They also said that the Random slot was supposed to be Geno's. There was that other rumor, too, about that cut music file labeled FORESTMUSHROOMS or whatever being the Forest Maze song from SMRPG, when the filename made it quite clear that it was actually Toadwood Forest from M&L: Partners in Time.

Spoiler

Humorously enough, those goofballs were right about one thing; the delay WAS character related. But it wasn't to remove a character, it was to add one.

 

[Naoshi]

My prediction for future DLC:

Some will be popular characters and some will be surprises that no one thought of


:D

 

[Luigi The President]

My prediction for future DLC:

Some will be popular characters and some will be surprises that no one thought of


:D

I love surprise characters but I really just want Paper Mario and K. Rool. I don't mind if the other 2 are surprise characters, though..