NintenZone Social Thread: Shovel Knight Amiibo Hype Catastrophe (feat. Swamp)

[Burb]

@ PushDustIn Could you give us an estimate of how long it would take to Datamine?

What are you talking about? The updates were already datamined. There's nothing worth noting in either of them.

Roy and Ryu were found in the 3DS Mewtwo update within the first day or so of its release. If this one contained anything juicy, we'd already know about it.

 

[PushDustIn]

@ PushDustIn Could you give us an estimate of how long it would take to Datamine?

What are you talking about? The updates were already datamined. There's nothing worth noting in either of them.

Roy and Ryu were found in the 3DS Mewtwo update within the first day or so of its release. If this one contained anything juicy, we'd already know about it.

Burb said it perfectly. I already went through the game's text. The only unused text that I know about is the K.K. Slider Hat/ Costume for NA/Europe.

I'll let you guys know if I hear about anything else, but right now it doesn't seem like there is any extra data. @shinyquagsire23 hasn't found anything in the 3DS side of things as far as I know.

 

[Champ Gold]

I just realised that Ryu is actually the only 3rd Party character to ever not have an Assist Trophy.



Because of the way the DLC is added to the screen it'd be difficult to add them to their series. There's only two things they can do to improve it:

1: Add all the DLC characters for people who don't buy them, but grey them out so they aren't selectable.
2: Rearrange the original roster so the clones are where they should be, and rescale to add a 5th row at the bottom for DLC characters.
Bonus: Separate Alph and watch all be happy.



Actually yeah I can really imagine that Pichu would be really popular in Japan based on his cutesy design alone. I'm not keen on our current cute to cool ratio of Pokemon (2 cute, 4 cool) so another cute one would be fine by me for sure (I suppose Ivysaur and Squirtle both qualify as cute too).

If you think about the Forbidden 7, we got Roy, Doc and Mewtwo back, but the planned character(s) to replace Pichu never actually happened, so that leaves Pichu in something of a limbo if you think about it. He never got any kind of replacement like Young Link did. Probably doesn't improve his chances but it's neat to think about.

I'll take option 2. Make it third party/DLC/Mii Fighters row

 

[DMurr]

On an unrelated topic...

@ PushDustIn I know you've said before that you think Nintendo is going to be done with DLC fighters for Smash after the 5 "Mario" slots are filled, meaning you think there's only 2 left, but I want to challenge that.

If I understand correctly, you're thinking they are going to stop supporting Smash 4 because they are going to move to developing Smash for the NX. Based on Reggie stating that we'll hear about the NX next year at E3, I'm under the impression they're going to announce the system then. The Wii U was announced in July 2011 at E3 but wasn't released until November 2012, with Smash coming out a full year later in November 2013. Now, I understand that they will likely not want to repeat a poor launch for it and possibly have a Smash game earlier in it's lifecycle, but this game hasn't been out particularly long yet. They make considerably more profit off of DLC per unit than they do for a main game release (3 characters and some Mii outfits for $30 is half the price of the entire product despite being like 1/20th of the content). I know not everyone buys the DLC or all of the DLC, but think about the craziness that was the release. I couldn't even get in the eShop until 4 hours after it was released. Plus, they're going to make amiibo for each DLC fighter, which at the current rate essentially prints money for them. I think the markup is something like $9-10 per unit, at least, compared to what it costs them to make it.

The Wii U's development started in 2008, but it didn't release until 2012. Even if they started development on NX immediately after Wii U's release in 2012, I'm not convinced they will release it until 2017. I know the Wii U has struggled, but even the Gamecube had a 5-6 year lifecycle from 2001 to 2006/2007. 4 years is a very short amount of time for the Wii U's life. I know, they say it's not competing with the Wii U or 3DS, but like @ Spazzy_D pointed out yesterday, they said that about the DS, also.

I think they'll support this Smash Bros. at least until Q1 2016. In that amount of time, I don't see them only giving us 2 more characters, especially with how they treated this most recent wave of DLC: making us think we only had Lucas coming, then dropping two extra characters on us at the same time.

 

[TheAnvil]

Wasn't there some more stuff coming in August? Like a Mii costume or something? Maybe those other N64 stages will release then too. Perhaps then there'll be something to mine, though after the debacle with Ryu and Roy, I'd wager that Nintendo won't make that mistake again.

I'll take option 2. Make it third party/DLC/Mii Fighters row

Mii Fighters wouldn't really work because for people who don't buy any of the DLC the Mii Fighters would just be by their lonesome on the bottom row.

 

[Lucimar]

I loved PiT. Don't understand where the hate comes from. I thought it was a excellent game and I enjoyed the surprisingly dark story.

 

[AreJay25]

Wasn't there some more stuff coming in August? Like a Mii costume or something? Maybe those other N64 stages will release then too. Perhaps then there'll be something to mine, though after the debacle with Ryu and Roy, I'd wager that Nintendo won't make that mistake again.

Tournament mode was confirmed for August. Not sure about the 64 stages.

 

[DMurr]

Wasn't there some more stuff coming in August? Like a Mii costume or something? Maybe those other N64 stages will release then too. Perhaps then there'll be something to mine, though after the debacle with Ryu and Roy, I'd wager that Nintendo won't make that mistake again.

I think we're getting both Hyrule Castle 64 and Peach's Castle 64 in August along with YouTube uploads for replays, but we're definitely getting Tourny mode, I believe.

 

[Burb]

Wasn't there some more stuff coming in August? Like a Mii costume or something? Maybe those other N64 stages will release then too. Perhaps then there'll be something to mine, though after the debacle with Ryu and Roy, I'd wager that Nintendo won't make that mistake again.

That's actually my theory. The two N64 stages look just about done, so I'm thinking they'll be released alongside Mii Fighter Costume Wave 3 and Tournament Mode in August. Possibly a character too, since August seems like the right timing.

 

[Spazzy_D]

On an unrelated topic...

@ PushDustIn I know you've said before that you think Nintendo is going to be done with DLC fighters for Smash after the 5 "Mario" slots are filled, meaning you think there's only 2 left, but I want to challenge that.

If I understand correctly, you're thinking they are going to stop supporting Smash 4 because they are going to move to developing Smash for the NX. Based on Reggie stating that we'll hear about the NX next year at E3, I'm under the impression they're going to announce the system then. The Wii U was announced in July 2011 at E3 but wasn't released until November 2012, with Smash coming out a full year later in November 2013. Now, I understand that they will likely not want to repeat a poor launch for it and possibly have a Smash game earlier in it's lifecycle, but this game hasn't been out particularly long yet. They make considerably more profit off of DLC per unit than they do for a main game release (3 characters and some Mii outfits for $30 is half the price of the entire product despite being like 1/20th of the content). I know not everyone buys the DLC or all of the DLC, but think about the craziness that was the release. I couldn't even get in the eShop until 4 hours after it was released. Plus, they're going to make amiibo for each DLC fighter, which at the current rate essentially prints money for them. I think the markup is something like $9-10 per unit, at least, compared to what it costs them to make it.

The Wii U's development started in 2008, but it didn't release until 2012. Even if they started development on NX immediately after Wii U's release in 2012, I'm not convinced they will release it until 2017. I know the Wii U has struggled, but even the Gamecube had a 5-6 year lifecycle from 2001 to 2006/2007. 4 years is a very short amount of time for the Wii U's life. I know, they say it's not competing with the Wii U or 3DS, but like @ Spazzy_D pointed out yesterday, they said that about the DS, also.

I think they'll support this Smash Bros. at least until Q1 2016. In that amount of time, I don't see them only giving us 2 more characters, especially with how they treated this most recent wave of DLC: making us think we only had Lucas coming, then dropping two extra characters on us at the same time.

Poll ends in October. I would be SHOCKED if the end of the poll didn't coincide with a character announcement, and that character would not arrive until December at the SOONEST. This would mean that we would only have a single DLC character to hold us over until then. It's possible, but I would bet against it.

August will tell us more. Nintendo usually has a Direct then, and we already know that a Smash update will be coming that month (tourney mode.)

 

[Naoshi]

I have to ask, why hate for PIT? BiS is good as well as SS. Dream tea, was great. One of my favorites in the series and PJ looks good now to.

I had a hard time getting into it, it felt kinda... boring and just there. And I wasn't a fan of the whole A B X Y thing in fights, I felt it made button inputs kind of annoying.

 

[splat]

I think Superstar Saga is better than Bowser's Inside Story

Agreed, but that's mostly because I loved Superstar Saga because the dual characters was something so new for me -- and because I couldn't stand BIS.

I still hate the new CSS layout because Sakurai won't bother fixing it. Link should be with his franchise and the DLC characters should be with their series. I don't care about the Clone Corner, just put the DLC characters where they belong.

Here's hoping it'll be fixed once all DLC characters are done.

 

[TheAnvil]

On an unrelated topic...

@ PushDustIn I know you've said before that you think Nintendo is going to be done with DLC fighters for Smash after the 5 "Mario" slots are filled, meaning you think there's only 2 left, but I want to challenge that.

If I understand correctly, you're thinking they are going to stop supporting Smash 4 because they are going to move to developing Smash for the NX. Based on Reggie stating that we'll hear about the NX next year at E3, I'm under the impression they're going to announce the system then. The Wii U was announced in July 2011 at E3 but wasn't released until November 2012, with Smash coming out a full year later in November 2013. Now, I understand that they will likely not want to repeat a poor launch for it and possibly have a Smash game earlier in it's lifecycle, but this game hasn't been out particularly long yet. They make considerably more profit off of DLC per unit than they do for a main game release (3 characters and some Mii outfits for $30 is half the price of the entire product despite being like 1/20th of the content). I know not everyone buys the DLC or all of the DLC, but think about the craziness that was the release. I couldn't even get in the eShop until 4 hours after it was released. Plus, they're going to make amiibo for each DLC fighter, which at the current rate essentially prints money for them. I think the markup is something like $9-10 per unit, at least, compared to what it costs them to make it.

The Wii U's development started in 2008, but it didn't release until 2012. Even if they started development on NX immediately after Wii U's release in 2012, I'm not convinced they will release it until 2017. I know the Wii U has struggled, but even the Gamecube had a 5-6 year lifecycle from 2001 to 2006/2007. 4 years is a very short amount of time for the Wii U's life. I know, they say it's not competing with the Wii U or 3DS, but like @ Spazzy_D pointed out yesterday, they said that about the DS, also.

I think they'll support this Smash Bros. at least until Q1 2016. In that amount of time, I don't see them only giving us 2 more characters, especially with how they treated this most recent wave of DLC: making us think we only had Lucas coming, then dropping two extra characters on us at the same time.

Well if you think about it, the ballot indicates that the very earliest that characters are going to stop being developed is October, and I would count on at least 1 round of DLC characters before that time is up based on our current rate of releases. The only thing we have to go on in regards to how they're going about characters is the way they released Roy/Ryu/Lucas together at the same time.
I could plausibly see 2 more lots of releases like that. With 3 characters a pop, that brings us up to 10 total DLC characters, which is a number that I think most of us appreciate without going overboard. Nintendo certainly provided a lot of content for Mario Kart and Hyrule Warriors. One release this year, one more in early next year.

It's plausible that when those 5 Mario slots were added, that was because those were the characters they were working on at the time.

That's actually my theory. The two N64 stages look just about done, so I'm thinking they'll be released alongside Mii Fighter Costume Wave 3 and Tournament Mode in August. Possibly a character too, since August seems like the right timing.

It depends how they're doing character releases. Releasing them 3 at a time seems to be pretty hype inducing!

 

[Burb]

I have to ask, why hate for PIT? BiS is good as well as SS. Dream tea, was great. One of my favorites in the series and PJ looks good now to.

I don't hate Partners in Time, but it was the weakest of the four M&L games in my opinion.

It felt too short, the Bros Items were a step down from the Bros Attacks of the previous game, and EXP distribution was a bit poor (it was very easy to wind up severely underleveled).

 

[Starlight_Lily]

Because of the way the DLC is added to the screen it'd be difficult to add them to their series. There's only two things they can do to improve it:

1: Add all the DLC characters for people who don't buy them, but grey them out so they aren't selectable.
2: Rearrange the original roster so the clones are where they should be, and rescale to add a 5th row at the bottom for DLC characters.
Bonus: Separate Alph and watch all be happy.

Am I the only one who doesn't want Alph separated from Olimar?

Because to be completely honest he is the only alt character who could not have been made unique. Let's be honest in the smash bros environment Rock Pikmin would be the same as Purple Pikmin, so having him as an extra clone like Lucina, Dr Mario and Dark Pit is pretty pointless, since they could actually have things that were different from the characters they were based from.

 

[AreJay25]

I'm gonna agree with what people are saying about PiT. It was a huge step down from SS imo.

 

[TheAnvil]

Am I the only one who doesn't want Alph separated from Olimar?

Because to be completely honest he is the only alt character who could not have been made unique. Let's be honest in the smash bros environment Rock Pikmin would be the same as Purple Pikmin, so having him as an extra clone like Lucina, Dr Mario and Dark Pit is pretty pointless, since they could actually have things that were different from the characters they were based from.

As @vaanrose pointed out, Rock Pikmin should break shields. Purple Pikmin do not do that. There's more than enough they can do to separate Alph (although I don't expect it to happen, it's still just a pipedream of mine).

That's actually my theory. The two N64 stages look just about done, so I'm thinking they'll be released alongside Mii Fighter Costume Wave 3 and Tournament Mode in August. Possibly a character too, since August seems like the right timing.

It depends how they're doing character releases. Releasing them 3 at a time seems to be pretty hype inducing! Perhaps it would be appropriate to expect a character announcement ala Lucas around the time that DLC is released in august. Not every DLC pack has to be characters. Stages keep our appetite's satisfied after all.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

The full list of Absent Veterans

Melee: Pichu, Young Link, Ice Climbers
Brawl: Snake, Squirtle, Ivysaur, Wolf

The only two that area degree of impossible are Snake and the Ice Climbers leaving 5 more. And data mining showed at least two more blank spaces.

Wolf is the only absent veteran left that doesn't have a major holdback with Ice Cimbers being technically impossible, Snake being in Konami's hands when they're doing a Capcom, Young Link haivng to contend with Toon Link and the rest being Pokemon. Not to mention Star Fox Zero coming up and unlike Krystal his chances for being in it are good.

We will probably get at least one total newcomer from all of this. Who's topping the polls recently?

 

[Spazzy_D]

Not trying to start any conspiracies or instill a sense of false hope in anyone, but it is somewhat possible that Wolf is being held off due to having an updated design based off of Star Fox Zero. We don't know much about Wolf in that game, so perhaps they want to reveal his role in Zero as well as his new design before they show him off in Smash.

....of course, if that was actually the case, yesterday would have been an ideal time to show him.

 

[Burb]

It depends how they're doing character releases. Releasing them 3 at a time seems to be pretty hype inducing!

Personally, I don't think there's enough characters left to do multiple waves of them like Roy/Ryu/Lucas.

I think either the Mario slots are all we're getting, or those will get filled out and one or two more will be added for the ballot.

Either way, I think the ballot will be the end of it, and there won't be any characters in the period between the ballot's end and the release of the chosen character(s), and the ballot character(s) will be the end of Smash 4 DLC.

 

[AreJay25]

Not trying to start any conspiracies or instill a sense of false hope in anyone, but it is somewhat possible that Wolf is being held off due to having an updated design based off of Star Fox Zero. We don't know much about Wolf in that game, so perhaps they want to reveal his role in Zero as well as his new design before they show him off in Smash.

....of course, if that was actually the case, yesterday would have been an ideal time to show him.

Fox's design looks like an updated version of his Smash/Command design. I feel like Wolf wouldn't be that much different.

 

[TylerBlackRunIt]

So a series gives itself a spin-off. (which is a thing series do a lot) A spin-off which actually looks like a lot of fun, and suddenly Metroid is dead, Nintendo is evil and the entire direct was ruined. This is a different type of game taking place in the Metroid universe people I really don't see what is wrong with that.

GameXPlain Metroid Prime: Blast Ball w/ Direct Audio (E3 2015) video have 564 dislikes and 217 likes....

 

[egaddmario]

My thoughts on a few topics brought up since i started reading:

M&L: Bowser's Inside Story >/= Superstar Saga > Dream Team > long gap > Partners in Time. It just felt so weak in comparison. The removal of Bros Attacks for Bros Items is something that hurt.

MPFF: After Tanabe's explanation that this could possibly be a set up for Sylux to join the Metroid cast is really interesting. He was interesting in Hunters, and being fleshed out could really help Metroid's lore/future. I'm at least giving Nintendo a chance with this to see where it goes. Did they announce a single-player mode? If not, they need to.

Smash: It's weird to not know what's heading our way as DLC next. We had Mewtwo to look forward to, then Lucas, then we found out about Roy and Ryu and now nothing. Speculation again. Hopefully Wolf comes out or is at least teased in the inevitable August Direct.

Stair Fax: Lookin' good. Not too much more to say. I'm excited for it.

FE: So...uh...is Fates two games or one? NoA needs to clarify for us.

 

[Spazzy_D]

Fox's design looks like an updated version of his Smash/Command design. I feel like Wolf wouldn't be that much different.

It's still a new design, and likely a new voice. No need to spoil a new character design in an unrelated game.

@ Guybrush20X6 Wolf is in Star Fox Zero. You see his Wolfen (labeled with a W) in the trailer.

Anyway... is any one else refreshing Awkward Zombie a few times an hour? I'm really looking forward to the "welcome back Roy!" comic.

 

[AreJay25]

FE: So...uh...is Fates two games or one? NoA needs to clarify for us.

Fates is taking the Pokemon route (puns) in Japan and getting two separate games for the two sides. It will be one full game in America (and other regions I think).

 

[Soul.]

FE: So...uh...is Fates two games or one? NoA needs to clarify for us.

I keep hearing that there will be two versions. If that's the case, then eh, Nohr version will probably sell more.

 

[Burb]

@ Guybrush20X6 Wolf is in Star Fox Zero. You see his Wolfen (labeled with a W) in the trailer.

Not only that, but in some of the footage that's been shown of the Pigma fight, he mentions Star Wolf by name.

As if the presence of Pigma alone wasn't indicative of that.

 

[DMurr]

Well if you think about it, the ballot indicates that the very earliest that characters are going to stop being developed is October, and I would count on at least 1 round of DLC characters before that time is up based on our current rate of releases. The only thing we have to go on in regards to how they're going about characters is the way they released Roy/Ryu/Lucas together at the same time.
I could plausibly see 2 more lots of releases like that. With 3 characters a pop, that brings us up to 10 total DLC characters, which is a number that I think most of us appreciate without going overboard. Nintendo certainly provided a lot of content for Mario Kart and Hyrule Warriors. One release this year, one more in early next year.

It's plausible that when those 5 Mario slots were added, that was because those were the characters they were working on at the time.

I'm inclined to agree with you, but we always look at Sakurai and previous releases for trends which never works out well.

I suppose in defense of the 5 character theory, that gives us one character in August with the next update and another character in December or January. Dropping 3 characters now could entirely be a "strike while the iron is hot" approach, possibly thinking that interest could die off down the line (though, depending on how long they take, I don't think it necessarily will. Nintendo is always a bad judge of their own popularity. See: amiibo). If they support the game at big gaming tournaments/events like EVO then they could keep the hype rolling for this thing.

I know that the ballot isn't entirely meant for DLC or this game at all.

Personally, I don't think there's enough characters left to do multiple waves of them like Roy/Ryu/Lucas.

I think either the Mario slots are all we're getting, or those will get filled out and one or two more will be added for the ballot.

Either way, I think the ballot will be the end of it, and there won't be any characters in the period between the ballot's end and the release of the chosen character(s).

I disagree. There's no truly obvious front-runners except maybe Wolf or K. Rool in terms of newcomers. The fact that there's so many characters just means that they can't really go that wrong in terms of selection, especially if you factor in 3rd party characters.

Also @ egaddmario Fire Emblem Fates is coming in 2 versions: Birthright & Conquest
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[TheAnvil]

Personally, I don't think there's enough characters left to do multiple waves of them like Roy/Ryu/Lucas.

I think either the Mario slots are all we're getting, or those will get filled out and one or two more will be added for the ballot.

Either way, I think the ballot will be the end of it, and there won't be any characters in the period between the ballot's end and the release of the chosen character(s), and the ballot character(s) will be the end of Smash 4 DLC.

I would be OK with just 2 more characters too, as long as they were Dixie and Wolf, but I guess beggars can't be choosers.

 

[egaddmario]

Fates is taking the Pokemon route (puns) in Japan and getting two separate games for the two sides. It will be one full game in America (and other regions I think).

I keep hearing that there will be two versions. If that's the case, then eh, Nohr version will probably sell more.

We don't even know

 

[A Distant Demon]

Fates is taking the Pokemon route (puns) in Japan and getting two separate games for the two sides. It will be one full game in America (and other regions I think).

nope unfortunately

Fates conquest and fates birthright.

 

[Burb]

I disagree. There's no truly obvious front-runners except maybe Wolf or K. Rool in terms of newcomers. The fact that there's so many characters just means that they can't really go that wrong in terms of selection, especially if you factor in 3rd party characters.

So? They're not just gonna go and add every character who gets a lot of requests.

I think more than 3 is unrealistic, and 3 is pushing it as is. I'm pretty sure it'll be 2 at most.

 

[AreJay25]

nope unfortunately

Fates conquest and fates birthright.

Oh it's two versions for all regions? Welp.

 

[Firus]

Personally, I don't think there's enough characters left to do multiple waves of them like Roy/Ryu/Lucas.

I think either the Mario slots are all we're getting, or those will get filled out and one or two more will be added for the ballot.

Either way, I think the ballot will be the end of it, and there won't be any characters in the period between the ballot's end and the release of the chosen character(s).

I agree. We've got 52 characters + Miis right now, which...is a lot. I know that doesn't change the fact that everybody still has a character or multiple characters they're dying to have make it in, and that there are many viable options, but the simple thing is everyone can't be pleased and multiple packs of two/three characters would push us into the 60s. I don't have a problem with that, the more the merrier tbh, but I just don't see that as a realistic possibility and I don't think we should get our hopes up about every fan fav making it in.

 

[Pokechu]

Why is it called Fire Emblem Fates or Fire Emblem If if we make our choice in the store, not the game itself

 

[Guybrush20X6]

I loved PiT. Don't understand where the hate comes from. I thought it was a excellent game and I enjoyed the surprisingly dark story.

The story was good, it was the combat and the overworld system that put me off.It was a case of "just because you can doesn't mean you should" syndrome with the buttons. To do a basic attack you needed timed presses with two different buttons and the use of items instead of BP was a pain. Especially when there were so few shops.

 

[AreJay25]

Why is it called Fire Emblem Fates or Fire Emblem If if we make our choice in the store, not the game itself

You choose your Fate in the store, only If you don't want to buy both versions.

 

[DMurr]

So? They're not just gonna go and add every character who gets a lot of requests.

I think more than 3 is unrealistic, and 3 is pushing it as is. I'm pretty sure it'll be 2 at most.

For clarification, what do you mean by this:

Personally, I don't think there's enough characters left to do multiple waves of them like Roy/Ryu/Lucas.

There's not enough stand-outs? Not enough with significant popularity? Or something different maybe?

 

[Pokechu]

You choose your Fate in the store, only If you don't want to buy both versions.

but then i'd be deciding with my wallet instead

 

[Spazzy_D]

I would personally be a bit disappointed if all we only received two more DLC fighters. I wouldn't really be upset or anything, but I feel like we should be getting more based off of what we have already seen.

I was someone who was actually content with the base roster, but I guess the prospect of DLC has made me greedy. Part of this is that I REALLY want Wolf back, but I would hate for our DLC to be comprised of 4 cut vets, Ryu, and one ballot new comer.

I would be more than okay with a total of four more DLC characters, 2 pre-ballot (one hopefully being Wolf) and then two ballot choices. 8-10 (total) seems like a great number considering what we've got so far.